Chitchat Bond investors in Spore be careful

[blissquek]

Of course I'm interested

There is always room for some speculation because I've got enough spare $ to gamble.

Go short on DBS...they have some 22 billion exposure for Marine industry..

Swiber looks like only the start....after end of sept ( window dressing is over), its price is more likely to tumble..

Why..??? ...likely more bad loans will surface from this marine sector...

 

[johnny333]

Go short on DBS...they have some 22 billion exposure for Marine industry..

Swiber looks like only the start....after end of sept ( window dressing is over), its price is more likely to tumble..

Why..??? ...likely more bad loans will surface from this marine sector...

They may be too important for the PAP to allow them to fail.
The gov't may decide to bail them out

 

[johnny333]

Anyone watching the Hilary vs Trump debate?

Many think that Hilary did better & the markets worldwide are going up

 

[eatshitndie]

Anyone watching the Hilary vs Trump debate?

Many think that Hilary did better & the markets worldwide are going up

c-span is broadcasting a repeat of the debate now. i watched live with pup in arms. pup barked everytime hillary spoke.

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

but i thought when company issue bond, literally mean they trying to raise cash for their debt. so when investors dun want to buy, isn't it saying that the company isn't worth it.

Not really, I do read that APPLE, NESTLE and MICROSOFT raise $$$ from bond-issues to do share buybacks.

 

[Ash007]

Anyone watching the Hilary vs Trump debate?

Many think that Hilary did better & the markets worldwide are going up

Trump will make america great again! But yah, "polls" shows Hillary won this. But that is besides the point why Trump is so popular. Like the part about. "If I show my tax return, Hillary has to show the 300K emails she said its lost."

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

no need to paiseh............how many people can say they got 700K in the 1st place......?

I am humbled. I don't need to work so hard now if I didn't lose those money.

Last sat night, i returned from a business trip. I went back to office at 11pm and left on Sunday morning 4.30am.
I returned to work at 11am and left at 5pm on Sunday.

On brighter note, I am working hard now because I lost those money.

So, don't be like me. Don't touch shares.

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

unfortunately more cases of "accidental" ship-burning in the o&g industry will happen. this one just exploded into flames.

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Marine firms race to restructure debt amid finance woes
http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/marine-firms-race-to-restructure-debt-amid-finance-woes

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

Go short on DBS...they have some 22 billion exposure for Marine industry..

Swiber looks like only the start....after end of sept ( window dressing is over), its price is more likely to tumble..

Why..??? ...likely more bad loans will surface from this marine sector...

Since 2015, there are $12 rumours going around for our banks in 2016.

a financial institution is in deep shit too
Their investment arm is sitting on many listed counters with >30-50% losses
because the investment bankers colluded with the EDs in the same bank

The Investment bankers took up stakes in listed local O&G, Construction & minor Property companies
At the same time, the EDs made their RMs provide massive loans, trade facilities and OD facilities to the same companies companies, making so made so much money from revenue points
Some of these companies turned sour and the banks' risk dept want to recall some of the risky loans

but they cannot because their investment arm also invested in their customers.
conflict of interests
Do you think Iceberg Research n Muddy Waters dare to expose them in 2016?

https://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?212383-Singapore-After-The-Next-Election&p=2256350#post2256350

Please also monitor Deutsche Bank in October, they were trading at historical lows yesterday.

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

Anyone watching the Hilary vs Trump debate?

Many think that Hilary did better & the markets worldwide are going up

I think Bernie Sanders will command 70% of the popular votes if he runs against these two.

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

They may be too important for the PAP to allow them to fail.
The gov't may decide to bail them out

DBS's may lose control over their bad debts because of their some ED's recklessness, I think they will not resort to a rights-issue so long they don't have to do national service and swallow Standard Chartered Bank.

OCBC will likely be bruised by Wing Hang's bad debts in the next 3 years.

 

[Ash007]

I think Bernie Sanders will command 70% of the popular votes if he runs against these two.

The real question I've been trying to answer is. Why Hilary wants to be president. I can understand Trump.. but not Hilary. She has everything already! Yes, as TRUMP points out. 30 years of still thinking up a solution. Its about the emotions not the facts. Trump has a chance.

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

Nam Cheong
Nam Cheong's bonds were heavily promoted by OCBC to their rich clients in 2015.
https://www.fool.sg/2016/01/05/investors-beware-all-may-not-be-well-at-nam-cheong-ltd


NCLSP 6.500% 23Jul2018
Last Check: 33% discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/AF2546261

NCLSP 5.050% 26Aug2019
Last Check: 50% discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/SG6SE6000003

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

Ezra
Rebound in Ezra shares seen to be fleeting as oil industry woes deepen
http://www.straitstimes.com/busines...en-to-be-fleeting-as-oil-industry-woes-deepen


EZRASP 4.875% 24Apr2018 Corp
Last Check: 42% discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/SG55F3991618

 

[abcdexyz]

Every crisis is a chance, oil will back to 70-80 usd.
Singapore bank, still healthy. Remain positive outlook.

 

[Feryl]

Every crisis is a chance, oil will back to 70-80 usd.
Singapore bank, still healthy. Remain positive outlook.

you mean 危机创造机会? care to elaborate further?

 

[Runifyouhaveto]

Please also monitor Deutsche Bank in October, they were trading at historical lows yesterday.

Deutsche Bank's Loss-Absorption Additional-Tier 1 Bonds

DB 7.500% USD Bonds
Last Check: 20% Discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/US251525AN16

DB 6.250% USD Bonds
Last Check: 24% Discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/XS1071551474

DB 6.250% EUR Bonds
Last Check: 28% Discount from par
https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/bond-info/bond-factsheet/DE000DB7XHP3

 

[johnny333]

but i thought when company issue bond, literally mean they trying to raise cash for their debt. so when investors dun want to buy, isn't it saying that the company isn't worth it. the real problem now is that these companies issuing bonds are unable to pay up their interest, so there is fear in de bond market. tio bor?

Apple has about $225 billion.
Apple sold bonds because they cannot repatriate all their billions which are held offshore. If they brought it back to the US they would have to pay high US taxes

 

[johnny333]

Trump will make america great again! But yah, "polls" shows Hillary won this. But that is besides the point why Trump is so popular. Like the part about. "If I show my tax return, Hillary has to show the 300K emails she said its lost."

Trump may be popular in the US but he is not going to be good for non-Americans.
Many are worried that if trump wins it will cause plenty of uncertainty in the markets.

Will take a wait & see before I put more money into the US market

 

[mojito]

Trump may be popular in the US but he is not going to be good for non-Americans.
Many are worried that if trump wins it will cause plenty of uncertainty in the markets.

Will take a wait & see before I put more money into the US market

Hahaha.. aiya johnny ah. That is like saying the dry weather in US is not going to be good for your skin because the apples harvested would be of poor quality. There are more important things in life than to worry about who is to be the big boss of USA. Who is PM of sg, who is going to war with who, no difference, only have more or have less, it is all the same to me.