Benjamin's eyes refused to close.

[ginfreely]

Hey snake you are caught. Don't change topic. Show the proof liar!

Hey snake you are caught. Don't change topic. Show the proof liar!

hey dafatfugs, donch change and twist again...have you looked up what "advice" means in the dictionary?
answer the question, don't shy shy...
"Don't wriggle away, you slippery worm! I caught you."

 

[gsfosnis]

Since when I said fucking is not vulgarity? Unfortunately another false accusations no end. MURDERER

Old habits die hard. Like a broken record keep repeating the same moronic "false accusations" again and again.
Therefore you deserve the title : fucking stinking bastard bitch cunt.

yawnzzzzzz

 

[ginfreely]

Very simple. Because you keep making false accusations. Can't find anywhere I said fucking word is not a vulgarity? Hahaha FYI I haven't used this word on anyone in this forum YET. And I no need to do search I also know what I have not said. Understand MURDERER?

Old habits die hard. Like a broken record keep repeating the same moronic "false accusations" again and again.
Therefore you deserve the title : fucking stinking bastard bitch cunt.

 

[Leongsam]

I honestly don't know why this minor case has become a major talking point.

An insignificant molester kid was so overcome with guilt over his misdeeds that he killed himself. This is hardly newsworthy. It has happened now let's move on.

There are many other kids in Singapore who are more deserving of our attention and support.

 

[Wunderfool]

i doubt the dead can control muscle movement in its body. rigor mortis would have set in after going brain dead.

A lot of the physical symptoms of the body is related to the psychological and spiritual problems of the person. How the psychological matter leads to a physical ailment or phenomenon is still very much research at work today although the theory and hypothesis are not without its proponents.

 

[Wunderfool]

I honestly don't know why this minor case has become a major talking point.

An insignificant molester kid was so overcome with guilt over his misdeeds that he killed himself. This is hardly newsworthy. It has happened now let's move on.

There are many other kids in Singapore who are more deserving of our attention and support.

The issue is not on the minor. There is wider implications on the major from the minor.

 

[Wunderfool]

Is it? You were not focusing on his eyes yesterday. Rather you were praising him saying he committed suicide shows that he has conscience. And you were trying to paint a false picture of him being interrogated by a group of policemen.

Again I respect your high IQ.

 

[blissquek]

I honestly don't know why this minor case has become a major talking point.

An insignificant molester kid was so overcome with guilt over his misdeeds that he killed himself. This is hardly newsworthy. It has happened now let's move on.

There are many other kids in Singapore who are more deserving of our attention and support.

There is more to it than just a minor case...A 14 years old boy took his own life.

It is clearly evident it is a PROCEDURAL FLAW

The five policeman should just stay in the principal office and let the senior teacher/discipline master bring the suspect to the office for questioning...out of the view of the class.

If need be, thereafter inform the parents to escort their son to the police station for further questioning and investigation.

As usual our control press mute the incident as it is a major embarrassment and the fault lies with both the school and the police in handling the case.

The parents lost their son and have to live to deal with the loss.

The fact is clear, the school and the police mishandled the situation and they get off lightly and uncensured.

Both authorities seem not to disapprove their actions.

 

[Leongsam]

There is more to it than just a minor case...A 14 years old boy took his own life.

It is clearly evident it is a PROCEDURAL FLAW

The five policeman should just stay in the principal office and let the senior teacher/discipline master bring the suspect to the office for questioning...out of the view of the class.

What a load of rubbish the procedure has been the same for at least the last half century. When I was in school I saw Hock Lam street Pai Kiahs led away from school in handcuffs in full view of everyone. The principal would then go on the PA system and warn everyone not to mix with bad company and to stay away from triad activities or we'd end up the same way.

I'm sure tens of thousands of kids have been arrested at school over the years. Why should a perfectly workable procedure be changed just because one coward, sissy mummy's boy jumped out of the window.

If anything should be changed it should be the way Sinkies bring up their kids nowadays. The end product of the current parenting process is adults with no backbones.

 

[eatshitndie]

What a load of rubbish the procedure has been the same for at least the last half century. When I was in school I saw Hock Lam street Pai Kiahs led away from school in handcuffs in full view of everyone. The principal would then go on the PA system and warn everyone not to mix with bad company and to stay away from triad activities or we'd end up the same way.

I'm sure tens of thousands of kids have been arrested at school over the years. Why should a perfectly workable procedure be changed just because one coward, sissy mummy's boy jumped out of the window.

If anything should be changed it should be the way Sinkies bring up their kids nowadays. The end product of the current parenting process is adults with no backbones.

yes, i can recall when i was in sec 3 my school principal and lead disciplinary teacher announced in an all-hands meeting in the school hall that a student fought with a gangster outside school and asked all students to be wary of gang retaliation, and they pointed at me to stand up for everyone to see. i wasn't expecting it and was shocked, surprised and totally embarrassed. red faced, i held back my shock, breathed in a long breath, and smiled with a big grin. i lost in the fight as the gang member was older and bigger than me, and he was a school dropout. the police took me in and interviewed me. i returned to school, feeling like a pariah. but proud.

 

[Wunderfool]

What a load of rubbish the procedure has been the same for at least the last half century. When I was in school I saw Hock Lam street Pai Kiahs led away from school in handcuffs in full view of everyone. The principal would then go on the PA system and warn everyone not to mix with bad company and to stay away from triad activities or we'd end up the same way.

I'm sure tens of thousands of kids have been arrested at school over the years. Why should a perfectly workable procedure be changed just because one coward, sissy mummy's boy jumped out of the window.

If anything should be changed it should be the way Sinkies bring up their kids nowadays. The end product of the current parenting process is adults with no backbones.

Times have changed. Even the SAF is taking note and making changes to its procedures. Why not the SPF?

 

[Leongsam]

Times have changed. Even the SAF is taking note and making changes to its procedures. Why not the SPF?

Yes times have changed for the worse. It is time to restore some semblance of sanity in the way we do things. Out with all the political correctness and mamsy, pamsy touchy feely way of dealing with kids as if they are made of glass.

It is time we went back to the days where kids became men instead of the current system which churns out overgrown babies still having to rely on mummy even when they are well into adulthood.

As for the SAF the way it is churning out soldiers now is a disaster. They'll all be shitting in their pants once the first enemy shot is fired. The training is so unrealistic nowadays it will do nothing to prepare sinkies for the horrors of war.

In the old days we had real casualties to deal with and it prepared us for better for the real thing. Real war is not a computer game. It is horrible.

 

[Wunderfool]

Yes times have changed for the worse. It is time to restore some semblance of sanity in the way we do things. Out with all the political correctness and mamsy, pamsy touchy feely way of dealing with kids as if they are made of glass.

It is time we went back to the days where kids became men instead of the current system which churns out overgrown babies still having to rely on mummy even when they are well into adulthood.

Blame it on success and affluence. If we are in survival mode, things will be vastly different. Everyone will need to fight in order to survive.

 

[blissquek]

What a load of rubbish the procedure has been the same for at least the last half century. When I was in school I saw Hock Lam street Pai Kiahs led away from school in handcuffs in full view of everyone. The principal would then go on the PA system and warn everyone not to mix with bad company and to stay away from triad activities or we'd end up the same way.

I'm sure tens of thousands of kids have been arrested at school over the years. Why should a perfectly workable procedure be changed just because one coward, sissy mummy's boy jumped out of the window.

If anything should be changed it should be the way Sinkies bring up their kids nowadays. The end product of the current parenting process is adults with no backbones.

Dear Uncle Leong...from your post you mentioned that tens of thousands of boys have been arrested.

On the same note, over the decades we have tens of thousand of policeman joined and leave the force.
Of these tens of thousands, they are bound to be some who does not adhere to the laid down procedures and hence
very likely they mishandled the situation.

Have a heart. Please empathize with the parents..

They just lost their 14 years old son. And they have to quietly grief and deal with the loss.

 

[Leongsam]

Have a heart. Please empathize with the parents..

They just lost their 14 years old son. And they have to quietly grief and deal with the loss.

If they had brought up their son to be tougher mentally this would not have happened. Now let's move on.

 

[Leongsam]

Blame it on success and affluence. If we are in survival mode, things will be vastly different. Everyone will need to fight in order to survive.

Success and affluence is not the issue. Complacency is the cause of today's soft society.

 

[Leongsam]

[video=youtube_share;rPNyMDsyfXg]https://youtu.be/rPNyMDsyfXg[/video]

 

[yahoo55]

So is the 14yr old boy guilty of molestation?? Up to now the police did not say that, only said they are investigating.

Some personal accounts of minors being alone and being interrogated, threatened and intimidated by Sinkie police

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...ic-issue-with-police-procedure-and-practices/

Personal account #1

I’m not defending the boy, but I was once in this same situation where I was brought into Jurong Police Station for investigation for case report against me.

During the interrogation, 2 to 3 different officers question me with a stern voice, threatening tone and raising their voice occasionally. They had already assume that I had committed the crime and just forcing me to admit. I still remember they keep repeating this sentence saying: Come on lah, stop lying, I can tell that you are lying!!!

They could not get anything out from me and I was able to name a couple of witnesses. I was put into a holding area behind BAR not allowing to talk to anyone.

And only after few hours I was bailed out by my sister. The witness had given their statement matching what I had said, but they still do not release me. That the way they work.

Personal account #2

I experience with Investigation Officer (IO) from J division; they came to my house to take my son for statement when they know the parents (were) not at home. They ask my son to open the gate and one of the plain officer come inside my house like burglar go inside my son room and confiscate my son hp without any warrant, entering ppl house they are are suck when doing their work.

Personal account #3

I experienced the same treatment as Benjamin when I was 13 years old by the police in Singapore. As my group of friends were caught in a fight with another group at a shopping mall, I was arrested together with them even when I did not get involved in the brawl.

Same experience as Benjamin…no adult presence when I was interrogated by three policemen in a room, was handcuffed in public and in the interrogation room, was escorted into a police car in full public view. The policemen didn’t even bother listening to my pleas of not being involved.

I was locked up in a prison cell at a police station for half a day and released only after midnight, even though my parents were already there many hours ago. They pressured me to sign a confession form without my parents’ presence and threatened me that if I don’t sign the form, I will be locked up for much longer. Only after all papers have been signed, then they released me to see my parents. Of course, my parents were displeased when I told them the truth and they pursued this case all the way to the ministry. Only then my file was dropped from records.

I understand how poor little Benjamin must have felt…i felt like my future has been ruined and suicide did cross my mind back then. Luckily the case was dropped by the police after my parents’ perseverance to see justice done. Otherwise, I would probably be a wreck of a child then.

 

[Leongsam]

So is the 14yr old boy guilty of molestation?? Up to now the police did not say that, only said they are investigating.

Some personal accounts of minors being alone and being interrogated, threatened and intimidated by Sinkie police

This proves what a bunch of sissies sinkie kids are nowadays.

They should be sent for boot camp training when they reach 12 years of age to toughen them up before they become teenagers.

 

[yahoo55]

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...ly-to-clarify-what-transpired-on-26-janurary/

Open letter from the 14 yr old boy’s family to clarify what transpired on 26 January

February 4, 2016

The family members of 14-year-old Benjamin Lim have passed an open letter to The Online Citizen to be published, hoping that it can clarify and provide certain information on the chain of events leading to their son’s death on 26 January (Tuesday).

The letter from Benjamin’s family in full below

The family of Benjamin Lim wish to express our deepest gratitude and appreciation to all friends, relatives and members of the public for your kind expression of sympathy in our time of great sorrow. There have been reports in various publications offering different versions of occurrences leading to the passing of Benjamin. This letter seeks to clarify and also provide certain information on the chain of events leading to the tragedy on 26 January 2016.

In the morning of 26 January 2016, Benjamin’s mother received a call from his mobile number. One police officer spoke to her and informed that Benjamin was being investigated for a case of “outrage of modesty” involving one 11-year-old Chinese girl outside school in the afternoon of 25 January 2016. The officer informed that Benjamin would be taken to Ang Mo Kio police station for further investigation. Benjamin’s mother asked to speak to her son, of which then the phone was given back to Benjamin. However, they (mother and son) did not managed to speak for long before phone was taken away. According to Benjamin’s mother, the officer informed that police will be contacting the family in the afternoon when Benjamin is allowed to leave the police station.

Benjamin’s mother and elder sister then rushed to the school, arrived at about 11am. At that point, Benjamin had already left the school with police officers. They spoke to the discipline master and school counsellor, and were informed that Benjamin was taken to Ang Mo Kio police station to assist in investigation. When asked for details, the staffs were only able to reveal that Benjamin was identified via a CCTV footage captured at the lift lobby in one of the HDB blocks.

On the same day at about 1pm, Benjamin’s mother received a call from Ang Mo Kio Police Division HQ informing that Benjamin was arrested and that family members may proceed to the police station to bail him out. Mother and daughter then rushed to the police station, and were told to wait at the reception area. After some time, one officer led Benjamin’s mother to the investigation office for recording of statement. It was until about 2.50pm when Benjamin was finally brought out to meet his mother and sister.

Benjamin’s mother noted that he appeared quiet, and his hands were uncomfortably cold after they left the police station. She then asked him about the alleged offence, he denied. When asked why he admitted to the police when he did not do it, he said “they said I am guilty, so I am guilty lor”. Benjamin was then told that he should not have admitted to the crime if he did not do it. Their conversation ended then as the train was approaching.

Benjamin, together with mother and sister, they went home directly. Having sensed that Benjamin was rather quiet and not his usual self, the mother got him to shower while she prepared a meal for him. She then left him alone at the dining hall, and made no further query about the offence he was alleged to have committed. It was until about 4.13pm after Benjamin’s mother received a call from the school counsellor to convey the message that the school has decided that Benjamin will not be attending the Secondary Three School Cohort Camp from 27 to 29 January 2016, and that was when they last spoke. Benjamin was told of the decision by the school’s authorities.

After a while, the mother called for Benjamin but there was no answer. Mother and sister then knocked on the bedroom door and realised that it was locked. That was the first time the door was locked. After they managed to enter into the room, there was no sign of Benjamin. One desktop fan which was supposed to be on the table; was on the floor and the window was open. They then rushed to the void deck, and Benjamin was lying motionless on the ground with his head facing down.

It was initially reported that family members had received timely updates from police and school authorities after Benjamin was taken away by five plainclothes police officers in two unmarked police vehicles. This statement was not accurate.

Benjamin’s mother was informed by police officer for the first time in the morning when Benjamin was already taken to the principle’s office. The police officer merely informed her that Benjamin would be taken to Ang Mo Kio police station for further investigation, and that the police will contact the family in the afternoon when he would be allowed to leave.

When the mother and sister arrived at the school, they were told by the discipline master and school counsellor that Benjamin was identified by CCTV footages and that no other information could be revealed. The next contact with the police was at Ang Mo Kio Police Division HQ, after the mother received a call to inform that Benjamin was arrested and she should bail him out. It should be noted at this point that the mother was taken to the investigator’s office (open plan office) for statement recording rather than being allowed to see her son.

It was not until 2.50pm before mother and sister finally saw Benjamin after he was brought out to the reception area. Until then, there was no further contact from the school. The only call that the mother received from the school counsellor was at 4.13pm on the same day, which was to inform Benjamin that school authorities decided that he was to be excluded from the Secondary Three School Cohort Camp. After the tragic death of Benjamin at 4.20pm, the father called the school from 5pm to 6pm but was not able to speak to the principal. It was not until the next day afternoon that the principal responded and returned call to Benjamin’s father.

The police arranged a meeting on 1 February 2016 between the officers from Ang Mo Kio Police Division HQ, police headquarter and immediate family members, accompanied by Member of Parliament Mr. Louis Ng. Information was shared within acceptable limits. It was agreed between parties that discussion and information disclosed in the meeting be kept confidential until the investigation has fully completed.

There are now reports and statements from the relevant authorities that procedure will be subjected to review in regard to police questioning of minors without the presence of an adult. As Benjamin’s father, I felt this is necessary, but it came too late. It is necessary because we pray that the same treatment my son received from the police, will never ever happen again to another child.

The school, in my opinion, should never have handed over my son to five police officers during recess hours without having to wait for the arrival of family members. I hate to think of the amount of fear he had at that moment, how helpless he was then. To be escorted to the car park from the principle’s office, one student in uniform accompanied by a few adults in civilian clothes with police ID cards, how discreet this could be? I felt the embarrassment and the shame my son was subjected to.

As Benjamin’s father, it broke my heart when I later found out that my son was brought to the principle’s office with one bun on his hand; and a drink on the other from the school canteen.

I cannot understand why the teacher; or office staff did not allow my son to at least finish his food at the canteen before s/he brought him to the principle’s office. It was reported that my son was allowed to finish his breakfast before being taken to the police station. But that was after the interview. My boy had his last meal in the school, a cold bun.

Those adults that were with him at that moment, the police officers and staffs of Northview Secondary School, may I take this opportunity to tell you that my son would prefer to have his meal when it is hot.

When Benjamin finally left the police station at 2.50pm, he told his mother and sister that he was not given anything to eat, nothing to drink throughout the 3 or more hours of engagement with police investigators in the police station. At his age, my son gets hungry very fast after one meal. Just a cold bun and a drink, and we cannot be sure if he did finish the bun because he was under pressure then. Benjamin must be feeling hungry, thirsty, throughout the few hours he was with the police investigator. I can imagine the anxiety felt by my son throughout the ordeal.

As Benjamin’s father, it is now my duty to seek justice for my son. We do not know if he has indeed committed the alleged offence of “outrage of modesty” of the 11-year-old girl. Until the coroner hearing, we do not want to speculate whether the offence has indeed taken place.

That said, as parents we cannot forget and we cannot forgive the way my son was treated, from the school to the time he was in police custody. I have this to say to the school authorities. We as parents we entrusted our children to you. You have a duty to ensure that our children are appropriately taken care of, reasonably protected and have their interest in your priority.

To the police, I have to tell you that by sending 5 plainclothes officers to one secondary school in 2 unmarked police vehicles are never discreet. You are there to look for one secondary 3 student. You are not there to apprehend an adult suspect with full ability to escape or capable in single combat.

To Benjamin’s friends and team mates from the National Police Cadet Corps, thank you for the lovely cards and your encouraging words to SGT (NPCC) Benjamin Lim. To his colleagues from McDonald’s, he loved his job and he was grateful to be part of the team. If the branch manager would allow, please give your consent for him to keep his staff’s ID card.

Last but not least, on behalf of the family, I thank everyone for coming forward to show their support to Benjamin. We have created an email account dedicated to Benjamin, [email protected]. Friends and members of public are welcome to write to us.