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BB By Elections - PAP buys Votes - Pork-barrel politics

zhihau

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Not valuable to you and me. But valuable to HDB prices in BB. Why say no to more money? :confused:

Maybe you're right, folks from Potong Pasir of the yesteryear had the moral fiber to say "no" to more money. Currently it's us, the Aljunied folks.
 

scroobal

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In Palmer's case, Dr Anal Koh killed his own campaign. People were put off. Lee Li Lian came across sincere, humble etc. WP's party also carried a lot of goodwill.

I was looking along the lines of PEBE when Palmer left some skid marks. Bro, David left some skid marks too, didn't he?
 

tanakow

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Looking at the bigger picture, what's the true value of electing another PAP MP?

If vote for Murali, BB voters may get the park and the shelter, but Murali is not going to speak for the voters. He will be like the other PAP MPs spending time in Parliament trying to attack the opposition parties instead of focussing on national issues like bread and butter for the common people.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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Most people are regarding the BE as a forgone conclusion. The question seems to be whether CSJ can garner close to 35% or struggle with the 30% mark. It would seem quite a few politically savvy observers are leaning toward the latter.

The question in my opinion is not what CSJ can do to give the PAP a bloody nose, but improve his image at a national level (beyond BB) and conduct a campaign that looks beyond this BE towards GE 2020. This is a chance for his to position himself and his party favourably in preparation for the next GE which is really where the big game can be caught.

On the top topic of porky barrel politics, i feel he should take the issue head on and ask the key questions about how the PAP is using taxpayer money and how the PAP has co-opted the grassroots to serve partisan interests. He should not be seen to be afraid to take on this issue even though it is delicate.

If CSJ can show he is conversant on both national level and local level issues and can tackle delicate matters with finesse, it would go a long way to rehabilitate his image.

He should shed his activist persona once and for all and let people know he is firmly on the side of electoral politics and Singaporean concerns.
 

3_M

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Most people are regarding the BE as a forgone conclusion. The question seems to be whether CSJ can garner close to 35% or struggle with the 30% mark. It would seem quite a few politically savvy observers are leaning toward the latter.

The question in my opinion is not what CSJ can do to give the PAP a bloody nose, but improve his image at a national level (beyond BB) and conduct a campaign that looks beyond this BE towards GE 2020. This is a chance for his to position himself and his party favourably in preparation for the next GE which is really where the big game can be caught.

On the top topic of porky barrel politics, i feel he should take the issue head on and ask the key questions about how the PAP is using taxpayer money and how the PAP has co-opted the grassroots to serve partisan interests. He should not be seen to be afraid to take on this issue even though it is delicate.

If CSJ can show he is conversant on both national level and local level issues and can tackle delicate matters with finesse, it would go a long way to rehabilitate his image.

He should shed his activist persona once and for all and let people know he is firmly on the side of electoral politics and Singaporean concerns.

Waste of time to repair his negative image. To simply put it, it a tactical mistake to even make a controversy person like csj a candidate. He will be busy correcting peoples' perception of him instead of going on an offensive. With Lina Chaim latest rebuke on csj, the ball is really in pap court on whether to make this BE a referendum on csj when ironically the BE was called because of internal pap problem.

Such thing won't happen if PT is the candidate.
 
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Thick Face Black Heart

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Waste of time to repair his negative image. To simply put it, it a tactical mistake to even make a controversy person like csj a candidate. He will be busy correcting peoples' perception of him instead of going on an offensive. With Lina Chaim latest rebuke on csj, the ball is really in pap court on whether to make this BE a referendum on csj.

Such thing won't happen if PT is the candidate.

You have a point. I'm just trying to see how SDP can salvage the situation given that they are unable to ask Chee to stand aside in any and all such circumstances
 

GoldenDragon

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Waste of time to repair his negative image. To simply put it, it a tactical mistake to even make a controversy person like csj a candidate. He will be busy correcting peoples' perception of him instead of going on an offensive. With Lina Chaim latest rebuke on csj, the ball is really in pap court on whether to make this BE a referendum on csj when ironically the BE was called because of internal pap problem.

Such thing won't happen if PT is the candidate.

Absolutely agree and i am with you on this. Still not too late for csj to withdraw and allow PAT to fight Murali. Better chance for sdp to win.
 

frenchbriefs

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Not valuable to you and me. But valuable to HDB prices in BB. Why say no to more money? :confused:

did the hdb prices in hougang fall after WP was voted in?what impact does PAP have on real estate prices?at the end of the day its all about market forces and location and the socio economic class of the inhabitants.also notice one thing,the east side of singapore which is more developed and affluent,are more likely to be anti PAP,thats cause like america,the blue states are normally the higher income,wealthier,more well educated,white collar professionals,the champagne swirling socialist liberals middle class groups of society.
 

GoldenDragon

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csj needs help from his ex-school/class mate. get this chap to convince his brother yeoh lam keong to speak at sdp rallies. if it doesn't increase his votes, it sure won't lower votes for him. better if lam keong takes over csj's place. given the race profile of voters at bb, lam keong is the best bet to knock-out murali. credentials and substance wise, murali is only at his knee level.
 

sleaguepunter

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Maybe you're right, folks from Potong Pasir of the yesteryear had the moral fiber to say "no" to more money. Currently it's us, the Aljunied folks.

i respectingly disagree with Aljunied folks having the moral fibre to say no to papigs. After all, the whole of Aljunied GRC hdb blocks went thru at least one round of upgrading. There nothing in for Aljunied folks to expect more from MND to "upgrade" their flats and estates, at least for the next 5-8 years. But we folks in Hougang are only going through the first round up Lift Upgrading that was promised BEFORE 2011GE!!! We say no to pap before 2011GE and even with LUP still in progress, Hougang still say no to pap in 2015GE. Even with LTK anchoring Aljunied, aljunied folks "moral fibre" are waning wheras Hougang still remain stable. Hougangites looked pap in the face and spitted on pap face for last 7GE/BE since 1991 with no ending in sight. Even PP voted for Opposition (Mr Chiam) for 6 times(84,88,91,97,2001,2006) only.

Opposition better up its game, papigs in the past ignore the folks in private estates/condos. Nowaday papig had already making inroad to connect with voters living in private estates/condos. Somemore it not GE then go kawan them but regularly organised PA to give talks to explain govt policies to them. If opposition lose this voting bloc, then they will face a more steep slope to convince the traditional pap vote bank of ignorant hdb folks.
 
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zhihau

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i respectingly disagree with Aljunied folks having the moral fibre to say no to papigs.

My apologies to miss out the HG folks :o:o:o

As much as AJ side had undergone "half-a-round" of upgrading exercise (not all areas were covered in the LUP exercise under PAP rule, correct me if I'm mistaken but I remember some of the LUP exercises were completed after 2011)

I agree with you that the PAPigs are making some in roads to the condos and private estate areas, the effects of these efforts can only be a guesswork.
 

3_M

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Pork barrel politics is all about capitalizing on instant gratification. People will tend to go after benefits they can see or visualize than the long term good. Things like checks and balances, building an alternative team are just too abstract compare to physical infrastructures.
 

frenchbriefs

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Pork barrel politics is all about capitalizing on instant gratification. People will tend to go after benefits they can see or visualize than the long term good. Things like checks and balances, building an alternative team are just too abstract compare to physical infrastructures.

That is because of scarcity of resources and the cycle of poverty.due to a constant lack of resources,a major portion of singaporeans especially the poor in singapore tend to prioritise their immediate needs or lack thereof over the greater good or long term benefits.this results in them sacrificing a significant portion of their future in order to survive in the present.one example is borrowing from loansharks,in order to get by,the poor often approach loansharks for short term loans that often come with ridiculously high interest rates of hundreds of percent sometimes up to thousands of percent.they in turn sacrifice a large portion of their future income in order to get what they need in the present.what they can get now is much more important than the vague unforseeable future.resulting that they never escape from the cycle of poverty.this also explains why sinkies function at such low levels of the maslow hierachy of needs.because a significant portion of sinkies are poor or the working class poor,they spend an inordinate amount of time working trying to secure resources required for sustenance,thanks to the lack of government assistance,many sinkies are working into their old age or till they karoshi.sinkies are unable to attain a work life balance,raise a family and achieve their human potential and the epitome of human society as swissland because their government see them as nothing more than cheap disposable slave labour.
 
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