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AWARE takes on LKY over his famous sexist tirade at FhD student

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Local women's group against Lee Kuan Yew's comments
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Local women's rights group Aware (Association of Women for Action & Research) does not agree with Mr Lee Kuan Yew's recent comments to a female PhD student.

The group has released a statement to charge that Mr Lee, as an influential figure, is "perpetuating sexist stereotypes".

At a recent dialogue forum, Mr Lee said to PhD student Joan Sim, "Don't waste time. It (getting married and having children) is more important and more satisfying than your PhD but good luck to you. I hope you get your PhD and your boyfriend."

In her statement, Ms Nicole Tan, the president of Aware, highlighted that Mr Lee's views contradict recent statements by the government stating that "gender equality is central to Singapore's socio-economic growth".

Ms Tan finds that Singapore's policies are not in line with "social developments and changing gender roles".

For example, she said, "fathers are not entitled to paid maternity leave", reinforcing social expectations that mothers are responsible for caregiving. Lack of flexible work arrangements for mothers and inadequate infant care facilities are other such examples.

"Such policies make raising children a daunting prospect for working women", she said.

She emphasised that influential figures such as Mr Lee are important to shaping social attitudes.

She believes that Mr Lee's remarks, implying that "women belong at home and men should be primary providers", will undermine the efforts of both men and women in their family and working lives.

She also charged that "implying that marriage and motherhood are more important than education and work belittles the choices and contributions of women who prefer to be single or childless".

 
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AWARE’s Letter to the Straits Times Forum Page, published September 13, 2011

Aware disagrees with Mr Lee

THE stark choice between motherhood and professional advancement presented in Mr Lee Kuan Yew's comments to Ms Joan Sim is not new ('A PhD's fine, but what about love and babies?'; last Tuesday).


In 1983, he said: 'We shouldn't get our women into jobs where they cannot, at the same time, be mothers.'


In 1994, he said that 'attractive and intelligent young ladies' should go to finishing colleges so that they will be 'marvellous helpers of their husband's career'.


And now, Ms Sim has been advised to stop wasting time on her doctorate and find a boyfriend instead. These views contradict the recent statements by Minister of State for Community Development, Youth and Sports Halimah Yacob to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women (Cedaw) that gender equality is central to Singapore's socio-economic growth and that 'maximising the full potential of every individual, male or female, is a priority'.


Under Cedaw, the Government is obliged to 'take appropriate measures to modify the social and cultural patterns of the conduct of men and women based on the idea of stereotypical roles of men and women'. However, state policies have not kept pace with social developments and changing gender roles.


Fathers are not entitled to paid paternity leave, reinforcing the social expectation that mothers should bear most of the caregiving responsibilities.


Flexible working arrangements attractive to mothers of young children are not widely available. Infant care facilities are inadequate for the country's needs. Such policies make raising children a daunting prospect for working women who want to continue their careers after becoming mothers. The State should take the lead in making family a more attractive option for these women, starting with a change of governmental attitude and the policies stated above.


The Scandinavian countries have shown that appropriate state policies that counter social norms can reverse declining fertility rates.

Public statements made by influential figures like Mr Lee are also important to shaping social attitudes.

Remarks that imply that women belong at home and men should be primarily providers undermine the efforts of men and women who struggle every day to meet the demands of family and working life.


Implying that marriage and motherhood are more important than education and work belittles the choices and contributions of women who prefer to be single or childless.


Such comments also perpetuate sexist stereotypes for a younger generation.


Nicole Tan (Ms)
President
Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware)
 

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AWARE better be aware coz LKY won't be pleased. Nicole better not have skeletons in her cupboard.

I think everyone has skeleton in their closet one way or another. It's a matter of what is going to unfold or could be unfold and what damage it's going to be.:p
 

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Why nobody point out the fact that LKY couple also not working in line with the "male as the primary provider". Gecko earns a few hundred times more just from L&L alone not counting all the other investments in her name. Or unless LKY is not declaring truthfully his income despite being chairman & director of so many joints under the cloak of GIC & Temasick; and drawing millions as a emeritus jiak liao bee!
 

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Only Old man can say something sexist/racist and get away with it. In fact, kudos to AWARE for responding to it. I don't remember MUIS saying anything about his Hard Truth about local muslims.
 

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Only Old man can say something sexist/racist and get away with it. In fact, kudos to AWARE for responding to it. I don't remember MUIS saying anything about his Hard Truth about local muslims.

Some of the people in aware are as hopeless as old goat.
Wouldn't have a problem if they concentrated on issues like spouse abuse, sex slavery, molest and rape, etc.
But when they start talking generally about equality, discrimination, stereotyping, etc, they can all go to a desert island and discuss these.
May the gay activists and animal activists join them.
 

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Wouldn't have a problem if they concentrated on issues like spouse abuse, sex slavery, molest and rape, etc.
But when they start talking generally about equality, discrimination, stereotyping, etc, they can all go to a desert island and discuss these.
May the gay activists and animal activists join them.

As a citizen of a developed society (I would like to believe sinkapore is one), we should be free to choose our stance on issues. For example, I have a liberal view on censorship, gender equality, fair trade etc. However, I am conservative on issues like an ultra pro business economy, gay rights, casino etc. No single group can cater to my own set of values and opinions.

But the most important point is there must be representation of minority groups. AWARE's stand of some issues might be unpalatable to some but as an NGO, it's their role to voice out on issues deemed unjust. Some day I hope to see a truly pro consumer rights group (not CASE) and pro employee group (not NTUC). These are the 2 fronts which we lack the most today.
 

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But the most important point is there must be representation of minority groups. AWARE's stand of some issues might be unpalatable to some but as an NGO, it's their role to voice out on issues deemed unjust. Some day I hope to see a truly pro consumer rights group (not CASE) and pro employee group (not NTUC). These are the 2 fronts which we lack the most today.

Yes I agree there should be representation of minority groups.
What I wish they would do is to concentrate on issues that focus on those who are bullied, discriminated or abused, rather than just being a "generalist" activist who sees the need to say something whenever their favourite topic is discussed.

For example, speaking up for struggling single mothers, real cases of gay bashing or abused animals are all great causes.
But when these activists start lobbying for everything that affects and involves their favourite cause, that's where I have to draw the line. Speaking up on behalf of a single phd student and against a tyrannical know-all should be low on their priorities.

Someone once told me that she never visits zoos in any country because she felt sorry for the animals being caged up or kept in enclosed spaces. I asked her "How do u know they don't like it, did u ask them?"
I don't know whether they like it or not, perhaps those who are chased by predators everyday would.
But speaking up against abuse of animals would be much better than being anti zoo imho.
 

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Hello, AWARE!

Pls remind yr lady chauvinists that my late wife was a fine highly intelligent woman who had an IQ better than mine. She left her very successful job and business to be a stay-home Mum and singlehandedly brought up all 3 of our children. My elder son is your PM, another son heads an important national agency, and my daughter is the Director of NNI. Thus, that is how a succesful woman with a Degree should do - contribute to the nation's talent pool with 3 geniuses to keep our country going. Imagine what would have happened if Gek Choo had decided to work? Not only will she get in my way but we , and the country, would suffer with 3 less geniuses. So one woman's loss is a nation's gain - by threefold!

As AWARE president, you really ought to think first about this country of ours with its falling birthrate and lastly about your members selfish interests. In fact, I hope i dont have to tell you that what you are indulging in are acts of sedition and even treason; and I could put you all away with the ISA, just to make you all shut the fuck up . I want you to read about Hitler's "Fuhrer's brides" program. That fella might have been a idiot and a corporal in the Austrian army but he actually had some great ideas. Consider yourself lucky that my precocious son the PM actually stayed my hand, as he firmly believed in democracy and freedom of expression. If I was still in charge, you all will be deemed as dabbling in politics and I would make sure that AWARE is registered as a political party before the day is out.

Your former PM, SM, and MM.

Kuan Yew
 

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I'm all for gender equality. Btw, when is the AWARE feminists' next ICT?
 
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Actually it is pretty stupid for ugly women to get PHD.
Like they are going to get married being ugly, it make it harder when they have PHD.
Most jobs are meaningless, just drain the life away.
So spending all your energy to get a job to drain life away, that is bad idea.
 
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