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Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

"Menara MBJB will have a gross floor area of approximately 445,848 sq ft and 558 car parks. Once it is completed at end-2019"
As if they never thought of parking of cars.

Right or wrong time will tell. When come to investing, I do not guess or presume.

If puteri is successful in the future; when I can see it than I may consider. Maybe 10-15 years later.

Visited Puteri harbour more than 10 times; hardly see any people apart from the staffs working there. Maybe because I go on weekday.
If it continue; I expect all restaurants to close soon.

Senibong Cove will be my top choice if I want to stay near water. All you guys should avoid zone B totally.

True. The MBJB located there spoiled the entire development.
Originally the cars there are Merc and Beemers, now with MBJB, you have all walks of life from little Perodua Kancils to commercial vans. Not trying to say we are aloof but to command high end pricing, you need to have a sense of affluence.
 
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"Menara MBJB will have a gross floor area of approximately 445,848 sq ft and 558 car parks. Once it is completed at end-2019"
As if they never thought of parking of cars.

Right or wrong time will tell. When come to investing, I do not guess or presume.

If puteri is successful in the future; when I can see it than I may consider. Maybe 10-15 years later.

Visited Puteri harbour more than 10 times; hardly see any people apart from the staffs working there. Maybe because I go on weekday.
If it continue; I expect all restaurants to close soon.

Senibong Cove will be my top choice if I want to stay near water. All you guys should avoid zone B totally.

Brother Potter win liao lor! :D
 
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If puteri is successful in the future; when I can see it than I may consider. Maybe 10-15 years later.

Visited Puteri harbour more than 10 times; hardly see any people apart from the staffs working there. Maybe because I go on weekday.
If it continue; I expect all restaurants to close soon.

Senibong Cove will be my top choice if I want to stay near water. All you guys should avoid zone B totally.

I've visited Puteri Harbour on weekends. More people than on weekdays but still not crowded. During the school holidays you'll see more people. It's a very "seasonal" place.

It's a nice place to just hang out for a drink when one happens to be there. But it's pretty much that. There's nothing much to do there. As some have said, they bought a condo there for own stay or retirement. It's been said many times, the critical mass is not there to support the amenities and development. Not that some buyers want that because they treasure the quiet but this is not good for the businesses.

Yes, one wonders how the shops and restaurants will survive. I guess they'll come and go? I heard the ones at Danga Bay have closed down due to poor business.

What's up with avoiding Zone B totally?
 
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Sultan play getting into momentum.

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Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

True. The MBJB located there spoiled the entire development.
Originally the cars there are Merc and Beemers, now with MBJB, you have all walks of life from little Perodua Kancils to commercial vans. Not trying to say we are aloof but to command high end pricing, you need to have a sense of affluence.

I still prefer Puteri Harbour :)
I second that.
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

Care to elaborate your statement? Why avoid zone B totally?
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

"Menara MBJB will have a gross floor area of approximately 445,848 sq ft and 558 car parks. Once it is completed at end-2019"
As if they never thought of parking of cars.
It's not a matter of car parks availability. You should know that Johoreans will just park illegally on the side of the roads wherever possible, and even double parking (side by side), especially if it's only for a short stint. For example, there are so many paid car parks available in the JB Persada vicinity, but you will still see many illegal parking on the main road outside the Persada every day and causing all the unnecessary traffic jams. Do they care? NO...

During the one day I was there, there was this long container truck trying to reverse into the building. A PROTON SAGA had illegally park at the side and the driver of the truck just couldn't be bothered and scraped pass the front bumper of the PROTON SAGA whilst reversing his truck, despite his assistant shouting to him about the collision. I guess the driver must be damn fed up because he had tried a few times to avoid, but couldn't due to the illegal parking of the PROTON SAGA. So in the end, the PROTON SAGA ended up with a badly scratched and slightly dented front bumper (at its side).
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

It's not a matter of car parks availability. You should know that Johoreans will just park illegally on the side of the roads wherever possible, and even double parking (side by side), especially if it's only for a short stint. For example, there are so many paid car parks available in the JB Persada vicinity, but you will still see many illegal parking on the main road outside the Persada every day and causing all the unnecessary traffic jams. Do they care? NO...

During the one day I was there, there was this long container truck trying to reverse into the building. A PROTON SAGA had illegally park at the side and the driver of the truck just couldn't be bothered and scraped pass the front bumper of the PROTON SAGA whilst reversing his truck, despite his assistant shouting to him about the collision. I guess the driver must be damn fed up because he had tried a few times to avoid, but couldn't due to the illegal parking of the PROTON SAGA. So in the end, the PROTON SAGA ended up with a badly scratched and slightly dented front bumper (at its side).

Malaysians hate driving round and round up and down the ramps of a multi storey car park.
Malaysians are damn stingy especially on parking charges.
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

Applicable to BMW drivers as well?

Lucky I drive the other brand. Hahaha..
If not, I would be trying to buy milk powder to help to offset petrol bills. :)
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

"Menara MBJB will have a gross floor area of approximately 445,848 sq ft and 558 car parks. Once it is completed at end-2019"
As if they never thought of parking of cars.

Right or wrong time will tell. When come to investing, I do not guess or presume.

If puteri is successful in the future; when I can see it than I may consider. Maybe 10-15 years later.

Visited Puteri harbour more than 10 times; hardly see any people apart from the staffs working there. Maybe because I go on weekday.
If it continue; I expect all restaurants to close soon.

Senibong Cove will be my top choice if I want to stay near water. All you guys should avoid zone B totally.

Not all zone B would be deadbeat. I think Sunway should be ok since they have a good track record, maybe wont be as successful as Sunway City KL (that also took 20 plus years to be done) but if go in early, and have holding power, should be ok in the long run.

I put my money where my mouth is so i bought a shop-office lot at Sunway Emerald 88. Win or lose only time can tell. Good fortune to all.
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

Thought early bird always catches the worm.... How bad can it be in the long run?


Not all zone B would be deadbeat. I think Sunway should be ok since they have a good track record, maybe wont be as successful as Sunway City KL (that also took 20 plus years to be done) but if go in early, and have holding power, should be ok in the long run.

I put my money where my mouth is so i bought a shop-office lot at Sunway Emerald 88. Win or lose only time can tell. Good fortune to all.
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

If you do some home work, you will know that building a condo is not cheap. In johor, I would say you pay 10℅ land price, 75℅ building cost of condo, less than 15℅ profit to developer. That's about as lean as it can can, any lesser the developer will say they better spend their effort doing something else. If you really like it and see potential, no better time than now to go in. If waiting for lelong price, only possibility is if there's a major regional crisis. Most people can afford the installments since it's not that much, like sgd600 per month for a rm900k condo?
 
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Seems like the in-thing to have residential-cum-commercial condos these days. Even in Singapore, many suburban condos are like that. It gives the impression of a "one-stop" convenient place to shop and then go up to your home.

I find there are pros and cons. Unless the shopping centre is high class type, otherwise, it can cheapen the whole place. Gets noisy and crowded too. I'm referring to Singapore's though, not sure about Johor's.

For Medini, many condos are also this kind of mixed development type. It remains to be seen how well they will take off. I think the demand will be very bad for many years. The one at 1 Medini Residences turns out to be a disappointing empty row of shops.

Even shopping centres right in the city area are doing poor businesses so don't expect anything in Medini.
Was at the KOMTAR Shopping Centre for dinner at the Tony Romas few Fridays ago.
It was around 7.30pm, the restaurant was the most half filled (the menu slightly different and the price is slightly cheaper than SG).
And this shopping centre is centrally located, linked to City Square and the CIQ with very high human traffic everyday.
This is how the shopping crowd looked like around that time, wonder how the shops can even recover their rental.
Do drop by one fine day to take a look to see any improvement in shopping crowd.

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Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

How did you get the figures of 10%,75% and 15%? I'm not so sure about that. I think developers could have increased the prices themselves during the "herd mentality" days, as some called them.

For eg, in 2012, a condo could be sold at RM400 psf. Expensive for general Malaysians. But cheap to foreigners like Singaporeans.

Within a year, that went up to RM500 psf. And in the next few months, it's RM750, followed by RM800-1,000psf thereafter.

Many foreigners still rushed in bcos they thought of flipping and were still affordable to them. But the prices have inflated too quickly without any economic progress yet. All these different condo projects are literally side by side with one another! No reason for land prices to shoot up so quickly.

For a RM900k condo, the monthly instalment is not so cheap. Assuming 80% loan and 4.5% interest rate, it's more than S$1,500 per month repayment for the next 20 years. That can be quite substantial for a layman investor. Can he get back his money?


If you do some home work, you will know that building a condo is not cheap. In johor, I would say you pay 10℅ land price, 75℅ building cost of condo, less than 15℅ profit to developer. That's about as lean as it can can, any lesser the developer will say they better spend their effort doing something else. If you really like it and see potential, no better time than now to go in. If waiting for lelong price, only possibility is if there's a major regional crisis. Most people can afford the installments since it's not that much, like sgd600 per month for a rm900k condo?
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

I think just take a look at Putrajaya..
Everybody parks along the road. Too accommodate such behaviour, design must include large area for potential parking lots.
Astaka probably had not included such design elements yet..
It looks pretty cramped
 
Re: Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd is going to be listed in Singapore????

That looks like one very deserted shopping centre.

Many have said Johor shopping centre prices are only slightly cheaper than Singapore's. They are clearly targeting Singaporeans. I think locals won't shop there. I was at City Sq mall a few months ago. A Western meal cost me about S$15-20. In SG, a similar meal might be about S$20. Didn't save much.

As the months go by, from my own humble analysis, the problem as I see it is that the mismatch in spending/earning power is too wide between a Johorean and typical Singaporean. All those shopping centres and retail stores near CIQ, Legoland, Puteri Harbour, Medini, Danga Bay are catered mainly for foreigners.

As long as there is no huge mass of foreigners (eg Singaporeans) moving in, it's hard for businesses to be maintained. Same goes for the many residential condos currently being built at those areas. No demand = empty units.

Even shopping centres right in the city area are doing poor businesses so don't expect anything in Medini.
Was at the KOMTAR Shopping Centre for dinner at the Tony Romas few Fridays ago.
It was around 7.30pm, the restaurant was the most half filled (the menu slightly different and the price is slightly cheaper than SG).
And this shopping centre is centrally located, linked to City Square and the CIQ with very high human traffic everyday.
This is how the shopping crowd looked like around that time, wonder how the shops can even recover their rental.
Do drop by one fine day to take a look to see any improvement in shopping crowd.

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Thought early bird always catches the worm.... How bad can it be in the long run?
Without catalyst 25 yrs min, with catalyst like HSR, can short cut to 15 yrs. The only remaining greenfield land along strait of johor....but if can, buy agri land and set it aside better. Capital return will be rewarding one day. Buy condo, no need hurry unless it is close to the station.
If you do some home work, you will know that building a condo is not cheap. In johor, I would say you pay 10℅ land price, 75℅ building cost of condo, less than 15℅ profit to developer. That's about as lean as it can can, any lesser the developer will say they better spend their effort doing something else. If you really like it and see potential, no better time than now to go in. If waiting for lelong price, only possibility is if there's a major regional crisis. Most people can afford the installments since it's not that much, like sgd600 per month for a rm900k condo?
Sgd600 is quite heavy for local ady. And your percentage guess can only be correct when the psf price was rm250-350. When rm900 psf, everyone rush to build condo explain their margin is high, as high as 60-70% depending on the land price.
Was at the KOMTAR Shopping Centre for dinner at the Tony Romas few Fridays ago.
And this shopping centre is centrally located, linked to City Square and the CIQ with very high human traffic everyday.
This is how the shopping crowd looked like around that time, wonder how the shops can even recover their rental.
Do drop by one fine day to take a look to see any improvement in shopping crowd.

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Komtar i went b4. My friends say it is more oriented towards malay hang out place. Atas and malay shopping mall, result you know de.
 
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At the forefront of JB’s transformation plan

AFTER Datuk Zamani Kasim settles down for our meeting in the lobby of Hilton Kuala Lumpur, he says he will show us later pictures of his 8-bedroom resort home in Yan, Kedah, which took 15 years to build and was completed five years ago.

“It was my own project. I had a low budget and the materials were locally sourced. It is a nice place that’s surrounded by padi fields. It fronts the sea and has Gunung Jerai as its backdrop,” he remarks.

Behind the soft-spoken man is a property veteran who had worked for numerous companies, including Arab-Malaysian Development Bhd (now Amcorp Properties Bhd) in the 1980s, Albukhary Group of Companies in Alor Setar and UEM Land Sdn Bhd, as well as on projects such as Sebana Cove Resort and Puteri Harbour in Johor.

In 2012, Zamani, who is based in Johor, became the CEO of Astaka Padu Sdn Bhd, which was incorporated in 2005 and is a subsidiary of the Singapore-listed Astaka Holdings Ltd.

He was in town recently to talk to City & Country about Astaka Padu’s RM6 billion development in Johor Bahru called One Bukit Senyum (OBS).

An integrated township

The 11.8-acre OBS is being developed in two phases. Phase 1, which was launched in December 2013, comprises luxury serviced apartments named The Astaka. Sitting on 2.42 acres, the project offers 438 spacious units — the built-ups range from 2,207 to 5,554 sq ft — in two towers that are 65 and 70 storeys high. Priced from RM1,400 to RM1,600 psf and with a monthly maintenance fee of 45 sen psf, the units are 71% sold.

Phase 2 is divided into 2A and 2B. The Johor Bahru City Council (MBJB) office building is coming up on 2.42 acres in Phase 2A and is slated for completion in 4Q2019.

Phase 2B consists of an 8.05-acre integrated development with a gross development value of RM4.6 million. It offers a 70-storey block of serviced apartments and serviced residences; a 62-storey, five-star hotel and branded residences; a 46-storey signature Grade A office tower; and a 10-storey mall. The targeted completion date is 4Q2021.

The master plan for Phase 2B will be unveiled on Aug 28 in conjunction with the ground-breaking ceremony for the RM300 million, 15-storey MBJB building.

“Phase 2B of OBS is a holistic and fully integrated development for people to live, work and play,” enthuses Zamani.

He says negotiations with strategic partners for Phase 2B are in progress and he hopes to finalise them by year end. The prices for the project are not available yet, he adds.

Levels 1 to 29 of the 70-storey tower will house 254 serviced apartments while the other levels will feature 723 serviced residences.

According to Zamani, the serviced apartments will be bigger at 1,000 sq ft while the serviced residences will have an average size of 600 sq ft. He says he is looking at five-star operators for these units.

As for the hotel and branded residences, there will be 450 rooms from Levels 1 to 29 of the 62-storey tower while 289 branded residences will take up the remaining levels. Zamani says the operator for this component will be revealed in the next six months.

Zamani believes Singaporeans will be the biggest market for the residential components of OBS. While some may go for landed properties, there are many who prefer big high-rises, he adds.

“Those going for the bigger units will essentially get a RM3 million product that is [equivalent] to a S$3 million to S$4 million property in Singapore,” he says.

The 46-storey Grade A office building comes with a total net lettable area of 800,000 sq ft and is to be sold in two sections. Levels 6 to 30 are designed to be sold en bloc and have a net lettable area of 500,000 sq ft while Levels 31 to 46 — comprising units with an average size of 2,000 sq ft — will be for sale in strata. The office lobby will be on Level 1.

The serviced apartments and residences tower, the hotel and branded residences tower as well as the office building intersect at Levels 2 to 5 of the mall.

Zamani says the mall — with a gross floor area of 1.5 million sq ft and to be called Regalium — will feature high-end retail outlets. “It should be an upmarket mall as there is none in JB yet. Even though we have Johor Premium Outlets, which is frequented by Singaporeans, Johoreans go to Kuala Lumpur or Singapore for [high-end retail],” he points out.

He believes the OBS concept is a holistic one, which will put the township at the forefront of JB’s transformation plan to be the second largest city in the country after KL.

Daring to be different

According to Zamani, the township was named after the residence of the first chief minister of Johor, Datuk Jaafar Muhammad, who had named his home Senyum. Now turned into Muzium Tokoh Johor, the residence is perched on top of a hill now known as Bukit Senyum.

The 11.85-acre freehold tract where OBS is located was acquired through a privatisation exercise undertaken by Astaka Padu in 2005. The site had accommodated a hockey stadium and the Johor Bahru Indoor Stadium. In the exercise, the company had to build a new stadium on another piece of state-owned land. It took vacant possession of the site in 2009 after the new stadium was completed.
“When the land was acquired, nothing much was happening in the area, so it wasn’t the right time to proceed with the development proposal for OBS,” Zamani recalls.

“But the whole property development and economic scenario changed after Iskandar Malaysia, then known as the Iskandar Development Region, was launched in 2006. Iskandar was modelled after the Hong Kong-Shenzhen [western corridor] that was working very well. But it was only in 2008 that the ambitious plan for Iskandar started seeing results with incoming investments. By 2012, any Iskandar development that was launched in Singapore was 70% to 90% sold during the launch itself.”

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Plans for a township had existed since 2006 but Zamani only saw the initial proposals in 2012.

“When I saw the proposals, I thought the location was fantastic and believed that it could be a goldmine. That was also when I met Daing Malek, now the controlling shareholder of Astaka Holdings. He gave me the opportunity to develop the concept,” he says.

Datuk Daing A Malek Daing A Rahaman, a member of the Council of the Royal Court of Advisers to the Sultan of Johor, is said to be a close associate of the Johor royalty.
The luxury serviced apartments in OBS were initially going to be small but market studies revealed that units with built-ups of 600 sq ft, 800 sq ft and 1,200 sq ft were in demand. However, Daing Malek disagreed, saying he wanted to build something different from other projects.

Zamani says at first he thought Daing Malek’s ambitious concept would not work in Johor. “Being the businessman he is, Daing Malek did not agree with offering the same thing as everyone else and competing with them. Instead, he planned to build big units and the tallest residential tower in the country. I then decided to go along [with his idea] without wasting any more time. I’m already 62, so this is probably my last development stint,” he chuckles.

And that was how The Astaka in Phase 1 of OBS was conceived.

“The Astaka is set to be the tallest residential tower in Southeast Asia and comes with a four-tier security system, private lift lobbies and 3.6m-high ceilings,” says Zamani, adding that its buyers are owner-occupiers and investors, of whom 45% are Singaporeans; 20%, Malaysians from Johor and KL; 20%, Indonesians; and the rest from Japan, Taiwan, China, Nepal and Bangladesh.

The Astaka is slated for completion in 4Q2017 and the developer hopes to hand over the units by 2Q2018. According to Zamani, construction of The Astaka has reached Level 36 and should reach Level 60 by year end and Level 70 by next February.

Strategic location

To fulfil the ambitious plan for OBS would be no mean feat, especially in the current uncertain economy and property market, but Zamani believes it can be done, thanks to its strategic location in Iskandar Malaysia and captive Singapore market, coupled with a well-thought-out plan backed by market research and strategies, and the ability to follow it through.

“The property market goes up and down. Even though there are challenges, we need to look at the opportunities that can be found now. Moving forward, we will focus on the corporate and financing aspect and the marketing operations. We are determined to get things done,” he says.

Zamani’s confidence is also based on his experienced development team and consultants, including local architecture firm GDP Architects, which designed The Astaka, and US-based Skidmore, Owings and Merrill, which designed the master plan for Phase 2.

Located in the heart of JB’s central business district and in Zone A of Iskandar Malaysia, OBS is 700m away from Johor’s customs, immigration and quarantine complex, 30 minutes from the Senai International Airport and 40 minutes from Singapore’s Changi Airport.

“One Bukit Senyum is strategically located,” says KGV International Property Consultants (Johor) Sdn Bhd executive director Samuel Tan.

“Also, the recent announcement that MBJB will be relocating to OBS is a sign that the area will become more attractive.”

Tan also notes that JB, like any other part of Malaysia, is going through an adjustment period after five years of high growth and fast capital appreciation. “If the current global and national economic condition remains uncertain, the property market will remain the same.”

Pointing out that there is an acute glut only in the high-rise residential sector, Knight Frank Malaysia Johor branch executive director Ricky Lee says the market will start moving again in the medium term after 60% to 70% of the stock from the ongoing and newly completed projects have been taken up.

“The upcoming high-speed rail and [RTS] development will attract more Singaporeans to JB, whether for leisure, entertainment or investment. Singaporeans are expected to flock to JB again in the long term. Therefore, the outlook for the city is good, provided there is strict control and staggered development in the five flagship zones,” he adds.

According to Zamani, Astaka Padu is in the process of acquiring a 363-acre township project in Pengerang, Johor. “We are taking over the development from a related company, which had begun construction work a month ago,” he says, adding that the township will be developed over 10 years and will comprise mostly landed properties.

As the interview draws to a close, Zamani shows on his phone his countryside resort home that is as picturesque as he said it was.

This article first appeared in City & Country, a pullout of The Edge Malaysia Weekly, on Aug 22, 2016. Subscribe here for your personal copy.
 
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