Another nail down the coffin for Herd immunity strategy

[vamjok]

https://macaunews.mo/recovered-fili...WLY52nEh2PgptBFcWAb25xA_k_68bpZP8lYW8ubsT2yeA


A Filipino who was diagnosed with COVID-19 in March and completed his hospital treatment earlier this month has tested positive twice since then, the Novel Coronavirus Response and Coordination Centre said at its daily press conference about the novel coronavirus disease situation on Monday.

According to the statement, the 31-year-old non-resident worker is the 15th among Macau 45 COVID-19 patients.

The patient’s COVID-19 infection was confirmed on March 18. After treatment in the isolation ward of the public Conde S. Januário Hospital Centre for 26 days. He was discharged from the hospital on April 12 when he was immediately transferred to the Public Health Clinical Centre in Coloane for 14 days of preventive isolation and recovery.

Two tests, on Saturday and Sunday, confirmed that he suffered a relapse.

Health Bureau (SSM) officials said at the press conference that the patient’s recovery period at the centre will be extended until he tests negative for the disease twice consecutively.

The officials noted that as recurring COVID-19 cases have been appearing around the world, a three-tier system has been implemented by the Health Bureau (SSM), according to which COVID-19 patients first need to meet all the requirements to be discharged from hospital, after which the patients will be directly taken to the clinical centre in Coloane for preventive isolation for at least 14 days until they consecutively test negative for COVID-19 twice. After leaving the clinic in Coloane, the patients need to stay for another 14 days at home.

19 days without new COVID-19 cases

Meanwhile, public hospital physician Alvis Lo Iek Long announced at the press conference that Macau has not confirmed a new COVID-19 case for 19 days.

According to a statement by the Novel Coronavirus Response and Coordination Centre, 43 of Macau’s 45 novel coronavirus disease cases have been classified as imported, while two have been classified by the Health Bureau as “cases related to imported cases.” There have been no COVID-19 deaths.

The statement also stressed that there has been no community outbreak in Macau. Just one of the 45 cases was classified as “serious” – and that patient’s condition is improving.

One more COVID-19 patient was discharged from the public hospital on Monday, a 20-year-old local female student who returned to Macau from the UK via Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong on March 16 when she was diagnosed with COVID-19.

A total of 32 COVID-19 patients have meanwhile been discharged so that only 13 still remained hospitalised on Monday.

(The Macau Post Daily/Macau News)

 

[vamjok]

why herd immunity strategy that our ah sam love so much is a stupid and risky move, there is no evidence as of now once you had the infection, you are immune to it, with respect to COVID-19. It just cause a lot of unnecessary death for no reason!

 

[Leongsam]

why herd immunity strategy that our ah sam love so much is a stupid and risky move, there is no evidence as of now once you had the infection, you are immune to it, with respect to COVID-19. It just cause a lot of unnecessary death for no reason!

If no immunity is gained then there will never be a vaccine that will work either. If catching the virus and getting better does not impart some degree of immunity you can forget about formulating a vaccine that will do the job.

And testing positive does not mean the person has not gained immunity. It simply means that the virus is still detectable.

We cannot hide away forever and no country, other than N Korea can shut itself off from the rest of the world.

 

[eatshitndie]

herd immunity imo is perhaps the only long term solution to this virus that doesn’t go away. since former patients will get reinfected anyway and test positive again and again, vaccines and therapeutics or medication will be pointless except for those at the highest risk. anyway for those at severe risk no amount of therapeutics and treatment can help much if there’s no perfect cure. and the primary objective of vaccines is actually to derive herd immunity for the vast majority of the world’s population, ironic that it may be.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Herd immunity is just a fancy way of saying "we surrender to this virus"

 

[zhihau]

A non peer-reviewed article indicated that France may have a different strain of COVID, not a descending from the PRC strain, indicating a new lineage altogether. Shiok shiok or not?

 

[hofmann]

Macau gets their test kits from China? And we all know how reliable those made in China test kits are so not surprised if the initial test on 12 April was a false negative. Fabrique en chine

 

[vamjok]

Macau gets their test kits from China? And we all know how reliable those made in China test kits are so not surprised if the initial test on 12 April was a false negative. Fabrique en chine

hope that is really the case, otherwise if this is true, what sam said is actually true. there might be no vaccine against this.

 

[vamjok]

If no immunity is gained then there will never be a vaccine that will work either. If catching the virus and getting better does not impart some degree of immunity you can forget about formulating a vaccine that will do the job.

And testing positive does not mean the person has not gained immunity. It simply means that the virus is still detectable.

We cannot hide away forever and no country, other than N Korea can shut itself off from the rest of the world.

no one ask you to hide forever. aggressive testing +isolate confirm case from the population. once confirm community spreading dies down, keep a strict policy on foreigners. HK has already successfully done it till this stage. Wait for 14 days of 0 reported cases, DECLARE CLEAR OF COVID19!!

 

[mojito]

No. Only body bags await the covid dead.

 

[Leongsam]

no one ask you to hide forever. aggressive testing +isolate confirm case from the population. once confirm community spreading dies down, keep a strict policy on foreigners. HK has already successfully done it till this stage. Wait for 14 days of 0 reported cases, DECLARE CLEAR OF COVID19!!

So what happens when they have to open their borders?

I'm not saying that isolating the community does not make a difference. However the question is all the economic pain worth swallowing considering the fact that the mortality rate of the virus is so low that it simply does not make sense to take such extreme measures.

 

[sweetiepie]

Herd community is ridiculous for a deadly unknown new virus KNN leemember the young is also not spared although risk is lower and it cannot compared to seasonal flu due to the widespread without vaccines KNN only 1 of the 2 directions is reasonable
1. If no vaccine can be made the spread should be contained at all cost disregarding economics becas it is stoopid to work hard for the economy and later die due to the stoopid virus KNN just think along this line - it is better to live in stone age than swiss standard of living and to die soon KNN
2. If vaccine can be made later part the spread should be minimised by a world lockdown until vaccine is out KNN

 

[sweetiepie]

Herd community is ridiculous for a deadly unknown new virus KNN leemember the young is also not spared although risk is lower and it cannot compared to seasonal flu due to the widespread without vaccines KNN only 1 of the 2 directions is reasonable
1. If no vaccine can be made the spread should be contained at all cost disregarding economics becas it is stoopid to work hard for the economy and later die due to the stoopid virus KNN just think along this line - it is better to live in stone age than swiss standard of living and to die soon KNN
2. If vaccine can be made later part the spread should be minimised by a world lockdown until vaccine is out KNN

KNN also keep in mind - do not pretend this virus does not exist and continue to have new born to planning for the future eg studies investment financial endowment plans etc becas you are living a permanent lifes in danger KNN even let you stay in sentosa cove and eat sharkfin will you really enjoy it ? KNN planning to parktor having marriage do you want to add another % of risk to your life ? KNN in short there will be no more future for everyone not just the vulnerable KNN hospitals and icu permanently will be filled with critical patients and life will never be the same again while you eating your sharkfin with a shaking hands KNN rastly a warning to the young - you can run but you cannot hide I.e you might have mild symtoms or no symtom this round and next round could take your life KNN

 

[cheeyen]

KNN also keep in mind - do not pretend this virus does not exist and continue to have new born to planning for the future eg studies investment financial endowment plans etc becas you are living a permanent lifes in danger KNN even let you stay in sentosa cove and eat sharkfin will you really enjoy it ? KNN planning to parktor having marriage do you want to add another % of risk to your life ? KNN in short there will be no more future for everyone not just the vulnerable KNN hospitals and icu permanently will be filled with critical patients and life will never be the same again while you eating your sharkfin with a shaking hands KNN

The individuals that are most happy with such a scenario are hikkomoris.

 

[sweetiepie]

The individuals that are most happy with such a scenario are hikkomoris.

Very chim term for my uncle to learn a new word KNN
For the uninitiated, hikikomori is a term used to describe those who rarely leave their house, and seek extreme degrees of isolation

 

[nirvarq]

1. Kids are rarely infected means natural immunity is the utmost importance hence the term 'herd immunity'
2. Old farts with existing disease are more weak to it that's common sense.
3. Flu is not the disease it's the cure it's our natural way to purge toxin in our system. Fever kills virus. There's no bestest vaccine ever.
4. Flu has many strains and it evolve all the time getting stronger as we get more toxic due to modern ways of farming and dna altered foods. Carrots, Bananas, Tomatoes, Corn and Potatoes are all dna altered food fyi they're actually not that 'healthy'........ lol
5. The air that we breathe when you see Chemtrails in our skies and chlorine, fluoride in our water they're cheap cure for the masses not proper healthcare in the long run. Fluoride is used as rat poison.
6. Data shows the death rate from 500 to 15000 is less than 14, half of it is imported the Critical conditions actually dips to 22 from 29.
7. Sugar is the greatest addiction and poison to our health and immunity, it's more harmful than any seasonal flu twisted into a fear pandemic.


What are your cause or reasons for panic ?


Our natural age is about 900 now averagely 72. At this timeline and situation when the majority is all praise for government, cdc and oppy has nothing to say why is there a need to panic... Even Progress Singapore Party seems like falling out even before it's even started....

The only good thing i see is earth is really healing up, looky outside look at the environment all the trees and grass are green again animals are rejoicing as humans are kept at bay.

Why do you need to live longer if we're such failures and fools actually, retards.....


https://www.businessinsider.sg/foods-before-genetic-modification-2015-8?r=US&IR=T

 

[hofmann]

Eventually the economic toll will cause people to start killing themselves. In Asia's case if the fatality rates are accurate, we will probably see more deaths by suicide than from the virus if the economy doesn't re-open.

Who are we going to sacrifice? Impossible to save both groups. Eventually there has to be calibration between death by covid-19 vs death by economic failure.

And then there is the 3rd option: moving to a more permanent universal basic income where only 20-30% of the economy is working while the rest twiddle their thumbs. This would have been feasible if we were technologically 20-30 years ahead of today and the machines can do most of the work for us.

 

[chucky]

Not only suicide, but also mental illness, drug use, family violence, more crime of all sorts. There has to be a balance between economy and virus. Re-open the economy, but re-open it as safely as possible.

Eventually the economic toll will cause people to start killing themselves. In Asia's case if the fatality rates are accurate, we will probably see more deaths by suicide than from the virus if the economy doesn't re-open.

Who are we going to sacrifice? Impossible to save both groups. Eventually there has to be calibration between death by covid-19 vs death by economic failure.

And then there is the 3rd option: moving to a more permanent universal basic income where only 20-30% of the economy is working while the rest twiddle their thumbs. This would have been feasible if we were technologically 20-30 years ahead of today and the machines can do most of the work for us.

 

[hofmann]

Not only suicide, but also mental illness, drug use, family violence, more crime of all sorts. There has to be a balance between economy and virus. Re-open the economy, but re-open it as safely as possible.

Opening will be inevitable. Those who are in vulnerable groups will have to take extra precautions. Perhaps medical certs can be issued to those in vulnerability groups to allow them extended work from home. Or they can walk around in hazmat suits.

 

[chucky]

The elderly and those with serious pre-existing conditions should simply remain at home Everyone else especially the young and healthy, should get back to normal life, wear a mask, keep social distance, minimize large gatherings.

Opening will be inevitable. Those who are in vulnerable groups will have to take extra precautions. Perhaps medical certs can be issued to those in vulnerability groups to allow them extended work from home. Or they can walk around in hazmat suits.