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January 8, 2019 Topic: Security Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: KZ-21DF-21DChinaMilitaryMissilesTechnologyWorld
The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?

With missile platforms like the KZ-21 China would have the means to seek nuclear superiority over Russia in the 2030s and beyond.

by Richard D. Fisher Jr. Thor E. Ronay





Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload liquid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) will be the world’s largest nuclear strike missile when it enters production, as early as 2021. Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads.
But since mid–2017, Chinese sources have revealed details of an even larger twenty-ton payload solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV) that could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.
In May 2017, the now closed Chinese website ChinaSpaceFlight.com offered the first depiction of the family of solid-fuel SLVs to be offered by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC). Seen in this image for the first time was the twenty-ton payload Kuaizhou-21, or KZ-21, and the KZ-21A, which adds two side boosters.

Likely since the middle of the last decade, CASIC had been given the go-ahead by the Chinese government and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to develop a line of solid-fuel SLVs. These would compete for domestic and international launch services with the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), which builds China’s family of Long March liquid-fueled SLVs and ICBMs, and its latest DF-31, DF-31A, and DF-41 mobile solid-fuel ICBMs.
So far, CASIC’s 1.2-meter diameter road-mobile Kauizhou-1/IA SLV, based on its DF-21 medium range ballistic missile, has made four successful launch missions through September 29, 2018. In 2019, CASIC may launch its first 2.2-meter diameter road-mobile and solid-fueled KZ-11 SLV, which has the same diameter as CASC’s DF-41 ICBM. The latter also forms the basis for CASC’s Long March-11 solid-fuel SLV, which has been launched five times as of December 21, 2018.

The KZ-21, however, features an unprecedented 4-meter diameter solid-fuel rocket motor, larger than the 3.7-meter diameter Solid Rocket Booster (SRB) developed by the former Thiokol Company to help launch the U.S. Space Shuttle. A ChinaDaily report from 25 December 2017 noted that CASIC would begin testing the engine for the KZ-21 in February 2018.
That month, an image appeared on Chinese web pages of CASIC engineers standing beside elements of the 4-meter solid rocket motor. There have been no subsequent reports or images to confirm successful testing of this engine, but Chinese sources indicate the KZ-21 SLV could be in service by 2025.

As in the United States and Russia, China has shown ample precedent for SLVs assisting the development of ICBMs, and vice-versa. CASC’s liquid-fueled DF-5 ICBM served as the basis for the Long March-1 SLV, and the multiple satellite-launching Long March-2C aided the follow-on development of the latest ten-warhead capable DF-5C.
To date, there has been no public Chinese suggestion that the KZ-21 will become the basis for the world’s largest solid-fuel ICBM, but it would be foolish to assume China’s strategic planners have decided to forego such an option. China may now be deploying its three-thousand-plus-kilometers range DF-17, armed with a small maneuverable HGV warhead. If sized similarly to Russia’s Avangard, a twenty-ton payload KZ-21 might carry close to fifty HGVs.

According to some Asian military sources, a PLA Rocket Force ICBM unit has about six missiles, which for the KZ-21 could approach three hundred warheads. Thus, potentially, five KZ-21-based ICBM units could nearly match the 1,550 warheads deployed each by the United States and Russia, pursuant to the 2010 New Start Treaty which expires in 2021. It is very likely that China could build transporter-erector-launchers (TELs) large enough to move KZ-21-based ICBMs a short distance from various nodes of the PLA Rocket Force’s (PLARF) “Underground Great Wall” of tunnel ICBM bases for quick staging.
Add to this the potential for CASIC’s KZ-1 and KZ-11 SLV production lines to also be turned to producing new mobile ICBMs. In that case, starting in the early 2020s, the PLA will have plenty of capacity to build ICBMs which could “sprint” to match or exceed the deployed nuclear warhead arsenals of Russia and the United States.

China does not reveal its current ICBM and warhead numbers. Despite decades of U.S. government attempts to engage PLA and political officials in preliminary dialogues on strategic weapons, China likely will continue rejecting suggestions that it begin to exercise strategic nuclear transparency. Instead, China has spent decades trying to convince the world that it has no ambitions for strategic nuclear superiority, will not engage in a nuclear arms race, adheres to a “No First Use” of nuclear weapons pledge, does not proliferate, and seeks merely to have an “assured” means of nuclear retaliation to deter nuclear attack.
Russia for decades ran a similar deception gambit, whilst at least it pretended to engage in normative arms control. It thusly co-opted generations of U.S. arms control devotees into believing that U.S. defense and verification actions—rather than Soviet ideology, strategic goals, capacities, and serial violations—were the main threat. U.S. arms controllers obsessively insisted the latter should be ignored or downplayed in order to “keep the Soviets at the table.” Unsurprisingly, Moscow regularly ran the table until Reagan called the game.
Given that such deception stratagems are even more central in China’s millennia of statecraft, U.S. policymakers must now be more vigilant and realistic, and apply the expensive lessons from decades of Soviet/Russian deception/ diversiya. The U.S. focus must be on Chinese goals, capabilities, and actions, and not on bringing them to the wormy table of arms control. China likely will continue to eschew the “arms control process,” unless it determines it must be exploited to better gain time, concessions, and U.S. self-constraint, per the Soviet/Russian example.
Until very recently, the United States largely has willfully deceived itself about converging Chinese threats, thus obviating the need for China to deign to engage in the arms control gambit. The dominant non-status quo power, China views arms control as another meddlesome aspect of the global state system whose architecture, legitimacy, and norms it rejects.
For decades, top Chinese leaders ritually have denied any ambitions for global “Hegemony.” Now, in 2019 it is increasingly clear that China seeks to reshape global economics and politics to serve the goals of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership, and that it is building a PLA which could soon have the means to impose the CCP’s will regionally, globally, and in Space. Given such ambitions it seems highly likely that CCP leaders long ago decided they must attain nuclear superiority.
But even before such a nuclear buildup, it is imperative to consider the possibility of offensive nuclear cooperation between Russia and China, inasmuch as they have held two publicly announced “strategic defense” exercises in 2016 and 2017. Russia and China may calculate that such a nuclear “tilt” against the United States could be used to dissuade and deter U.S. military support for Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, or multiple Russian targets in Europe. However, with missile platforms like the KZ-21 China would have the means to seek nuclear superiority over Russia in the 2030s and beyond.
Richard D. Fisher, Jr. is a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center and the author of China’s Military Modernization, Building for Regional and Global Reach , Stanford University Press, 2010.
Thor E. Ronay, a national security consultant, is the Center’s president.
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July 17, 2018 Topic: Security Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: DF-26ChinaNuclear WarMilitaryTechnology
China's Plans to Nuke America

A publication from several years ago details the fallout from a strike on the United States.

by Lyle J. Goldstein





The author estimates that DF-41 will finally provide China with the capability to launch missiles from north central China and hit all targets in the U.S. (except Florida). With the goal of better understanding the rapidly evolving strategic nuclear balance between China and the U.S. and its significance, this Dragon Eye surveys some recent Mandarin-language writings on the subject of Chinese nuclear forces.
When one reads enough Chinese naval literature, diagrams of multi-axial cruise missile saturation attacks against aircraft carrier groups may begin to seem normal. However, one particular graphic from the October 2015 issue (p. 32) of the naval journal Naval & Merchant Ships [舰船知识] stands out as both unusual and singularly disturbing. It purports to map the impact of a Chinese intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) strike by twenty nuclear-armed rockets against the United States.
Targets include the biggest cities on the East and West Coasts, as well as in the Midwest, as one would expect. Giant radiation plumes cover much of the country and the estimate in the caption holds that the strike “would yield perhaps 50 million people killed” [可能造成5000 万死亡]. The map below that graphic on the same page illustrates the optimal aim point for a hit on New York City with a “blast wave” [火风量] that vaporizes all of Manhattan and well beyond.

That makes the North Korean “threat” look fairly insignificant by comparison, doesn’t it? But what’s really disturbing is that the scenario described above envisions a strike by China’s largely antiquated DF-5 first generation ICBM. In other words, the illustration is perhaps a decade or more out of date. As China has deployed first the road-mobile DF-31, then DF-31A and now JL-2 (a submarine-launched nuclear weapon), China’s nuclear strategy has moved from “assured retaliation” to what one may term “completely assured retaliation.”

Indeed, the actual theme of the article featuring those graphics concerns recent reports regarding testing of the DF-41 mobile ICBM. The author of that article, who is careful to note that his views do not represent those of the publication, observes that when a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesperson was queried about the test on August 6, 2015, the spokesperson “did not deny that the DF-41 exists” [并没有否认‘东风’41 的存在]. The author also cites U.S. intelligence reports, concluding that four tests have now been conducted, including one that demonstrates multiple-reentry vehicle (MIRV) technology. The author estimates that DF-41 will finally provide China with the capability to launch missiles from north central China and hit all targets in the U.S. (except Florida). With the goal of better understanding the rapidly evolving strategic nuclear balance between China and the U.S. and its significance, this Dragon Eye surveys some recent Mandarin-language writings on the subject of Chinese nuclear forces.


To be sure, a flurry of Chinese writings on the nuclear balance did follow after the September parade in Beijing that highlighted Chinese missile forces. Perhaps the most remarkable revelation from the parade was the unveiling of the DF-26, a new, longer-range anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), based on the revolutionary shorter-ranged cousin, the DF-21D ASBM. In fact, the November 2015 issue of the aforementioned journal ran a series of articles on the DF-26. In those articles, the weapon is described multiple times as a “nuclear conventional dual-purpose” [核常兼备] weapon. The major thrust of the article in that issue on the impact of the DF-26 on nuclear strategy seems to be to try to debunk the argument that China’s deployment of this new type of missile is “destabilizing.” Like their American counterparts, Chinese strategists seem to be increasingly practiced (at least in a domestic context) at selling the argument that more and new types of weapons enhance deterrence and thus strategic stability.

Despite the developments related above, the balance of opinion in Beijing seems impressively moderate on the prospects for a major nuclear buildup by China. In the allegedly nationalist forum of Global Times [环球时报], one commentator from the China Institute for International Studies (associated with the Foreign Ministry), for example, offered a few illuminating comments about a year ago in an expert forum entitled “ How Many Nuclear Warheads Are Enough for China? ” He is evidently concerned that “We have heard some new voices calling to ‘build a nuclear force appropriate for a great power.’” Instead, he argues that China must continue to focus on building a “small, elite and effective nuclear forces” [精干有效的核力量]. Likewise, a former vice-director of the Chinese Navy Nuclear Security Bureau offers that China is a medium-sized nuclear power, which should learn from the experience of Britain and France and deploy no fewer than four submarines carrying nuclear weapons (SSBNs)—far fewer than operated by either Russia or the United States.


Yet one can still find in that same analysis ample concern among Chinese specialists regarding new directions in U.S. military capabilities that could threaten China’s deterrent. Another concern amply evident in Chinese writings concerns tactical nuclear weaponry. Most of this reporting of late concerns a recent upgrade to the American B-61 nuclear bomb . A full-page graphic in the same issue that discusses the DF-41 missile tests offers many specifics on the B-61, including its “dial-a-yield” [威力可调技术] feature that enables the operator to choose destruction on a scale ranging from fifty to 0.3 kilotons. That same month, in the magazine Aerospace Knowledge [航空知识], a “centerfold” featured the SS-26 Iskander, a Russian short-range tactical nuclear weapon. Elsewhere, I have, moreover, documented Chinese discussions of tactical nuclear weapons for anti-submarine warfare, as well as the importance of nuclear-tipped submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCMs) for strategy in the late Cold War. Let’s hope that these are just academic discussions in the Chinese context and do not reflect actual weapons under development.

As one can see from this discussion, there is ample reason for anxiety with many new Chinese nuclear systems now coming online, as well as substantial reason for optimism. As an author who frequently rides China’s high-speed rail [高铁], I am acutely aware that astronomical sums of money spent on that system could just as easily have been spent building an enormous arsenal of nuclear weaponry. That was not done and it’s certainly good that Chinese leaders have their priorities straight. American strategists need to keep this Chinese restraint in mind, especially as they weigh both new, expensive weapons systems (missile defense augmentation, the new strategic bomber, SSBN-X and also prompt global strike) and a set of measures to counter Beijing within the maritime disputes on its flanks.

Lyle J. Goldstein is Research Professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI) at the United States Naval War College in Newport, RI. In addition to Chinese, he also speaks Russian and he is also an affiliate of the new Russia Maritime Studies Institute (RMSI) at Naval War College. You can reach him at [email protected]. The opinions in his columns are entirely his own and do not reflect the official assessments of the U.S. Navy or any other agency of the U.S. government.

This first appeared back in 2016.
 
China says it is actually 50 lighter warheads, and says just 30 units of this ICBM can deliver all the warheads deployed by Putin & Dotard added up. So Who still believe that Rocket Army got only 300 warheads? One missing digit of zero in the figure?

https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2019-01-10/doc-ihqfskcn5688753.shtml

美媒:中国造“世界最大洲际导弹” 能携50枚核弹头

美媒:中国造“世界最大洲际导弹” 能携50枚核弹头



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东风快递到太空?中国快舟一号甲火箭快速发射1/24
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2017年1月9日12时11分,由中国航天科工集团公司第四研究院研制的快舟一号甲通用型固体运载火箭,成功发射“吉林一号”灵巧视频星03星,同时搭载行云试验一号、凯盾一号两颗立方体星,实现一箭三星发射。快舟火箭采用机动快速发射,成本较传统火箭大幅降低。


原标题:能携50枚核弹头?美媒炒作中国造“最大洲际导弹”
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资料图:中国研制的“快舟”系列火箭
[环球时报综合报道]中国媒体此前披露的“快舟-21”固体运载火箭最近成为美媒炒作的新话题。长期关注中国战略装备发展的国际评估和战略中心高级研究员理查德·费舍尔等人8日在美国《国家利益》网站刊文表示,中国能够在此火箭基础上发展出世界上最大机动式洲际弹道导弹,一枚导弹将可以携带50枚弹头。30枚这样的导弹携带的核弹头数量就相当于美俄目前部署的核弹头数量。不过中国专家认为,这篇文章的观点错得离谱,正如文章题目所写的,该文章主要是渲染中国军事威胁。
《国家利益》网站题为“中国下一个军事威胁:世界上最大机动洲际弹道导弹?”的文章称,最早将于2021年投产、可搭载10吨级有效载荷的俄罗斯“萨尔马特”液体燃料洲际弹道导弹(ICBM)将成为世界上最大的核导弹。
文章称,2017年5月,一家中国网络媒体首次展示了一家中国大型军工集团研制的系列固体燃料运载火箭的图片。照片首次曝光了有效载荷20吨级的“快舟-21”,以及增加了两个助推器的“快舟-21A”。报道称,该军工集团开发了一系列固体燃料运载火箭。它们将与中国其他航天研制机构竞争国内和国际航天发射服务。
文章认为,“快舟-21”采用前所未有的4米直径固体燃料火箭发动机,比此前美国作为航天飞机的助推器开发的3.7米直径固体火箭助推器(SRB)更大。有消息来源称,“快舟-21”运载火箭可能在2025年投入使用。
报道称,与美俄一样,中国已有以运载火箭助推发展洲际弹道导弹的先例,反之亦然。液体燃料的“东风-5”洲际弹道导弹作“长征-1”运载火箭的基础,“长征-2C”帮助了最新的、具有多个弹头的“东风-5C”的后续开发(原文如此——编者注)。
文章称,截至目前,中国没有透露以“快舟-21”为基础,发展世界上最大固体燃料洲际弹道导弹,但如果中国的战略规划者决定放弃这种选择将是不明智的。中国现在可能正在部署射程3000多公里的“东风-17”,它装备一个小型机动高超音速滑翔弹头(HGV)。如果尺寸与俄罗斯的“先锋”相似,那么20吨有效载荷的“快舟-21”可能会携带近50个HGV。

报道称,解放军火箭军的洲际弹道导弹基本作战单位装备大约6枚导弹,按照上述每个导弹可以搭载50个弹头来计算,每个作战单位可以部署接近300枚弹头。因此,5支装备“快舟-21”的洲际弹道导弹部队几乎可以相当于美俄各自部署的核弹头数量。中国很可能建造运输/起竖/发射车,大到足以将基于“快舟-21”的洲际弹道导弹机动到距离火箭军“地下长城”(导弹基地隧道)的各个节点很近的地方,以便进行快速准备。
不过一位匿名中国军事专家在接受《环球时报》记者采访时表示,美媒这篇文章错误百出,观点显得很业余。该专家认为,西方专家所谓的基于“快舟-21”运载火箭研制洲际导弹并没有太大实战意义。以“快舟-21”为例,如果能够达到20吨有效载荷,那它的起飞重量将超过近地轨道运载能力为25吨级的“长征-5”运载火箭。而目前的固体燃料洲际弹道导弹通常是在50吨以下,即便是重型的液体洲际弹道导弹也不超过200吨。数百吨的固体燃料洲际弹道导弹不可想象,更不可能进行公路机动。这样的洲际弹道导弹没有太大实战意义。
专家表示,世界各国确实有些运载火箭是在导弹基础上研制或改装的。但所谓术业有专攻,用于航天发射的运载火箭和用于军事的洲际导弹目前是朝着不同方向发展的,都有各自需求和设计指标,不能简单将两者等同。▲ (李 强)



US media: China's "world's largest intercontinental missile" can carry 50 nuclear warheads
US media: China's "world's largest intercontinental missile" can carry 50 nuclear warheads
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At 12:11 on January 9, 2017, the fast-boat No. 1 general-purpose solid-state launch vehicle developed by the Fourth Research Institute of China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation successfully launched the "Jilin No. 1" smart video star 03 star. The two cloud stars, No. 1 and No. 1 of Kaiyun, achieved a three-shot Samsung launch. The fast-boat rocket uses a mobile quick launch, which is significantly lower than the traditional rocket.

Original title: Can carry 50 nuclear warheads? US media speculation made China the "bigest intercontinental missile"
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[Global Times Comprehensive Report] The "Fast Boat-21" solid carrier rocket previously disclosed by the Chinese media has recently become a new topic for US media speculation. Richard Fisher, a senior researcher at the Center for International Assessment and Strategy, which has long been concerned about the development of China's strategic equipment, said on the 8th in the US National Interests website that China can develop the world's largest mobile based on this rocket. Intercontinental ballistic missiles, a missile will carry 50 warheads. The number of nuclear warheads carried by 30 such missiles is equivalent to the number of nuclear warheads currently deployed by the United States and Russia. However, Chinese experts believe that the point of this article is wrongly written. As the title of the article writes, the article mainly aims to render China's military threat.

The article "National Interests" entitled "China's Next Military Threat: The World's Largest Mobile Intercontinental Ballistic Missile?" said that the Russian "Salmat" liquid, which will be put into production as early as 2021 and capable of carrying a 10-ton payload. The Fuel Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) will become the world's largest nuclear missile.

According to the article, in May 2017, a Chinese online media showed for the first time a picture of a series of solid fuel launch vehicles developed by a large Chinese military industry group. The photo first exposed the "Fast Boat-21" with a payload of 20 tons and the "Fast Boat-21A" with two boosters. The report said that the military industry group developed a series of solid fuel launch vehicles. They will compete with other Chinese space development agencies for domestic and international space launch services.

The article believes that the "Fast Boat-21" uses an unprecedented 4 m diameter solid fuel rocket engine, which is larger than the 3.7 m diameter solid rocket booster (SRB) developed by the US as a space shuttle booster. According to sources, the "Fast Boat-21" launch vehicle may be put into use in 2025.

According to the report, like the United States and Russia, China has set a precedent for the development of intercontinental ballistic missiles with launch vehicles, and vice versa. The "Dongfeng-5" intercontinental ballistic missile of liquid fuel is the basis of the "Long March-1" launch vehicle. The "Long March-2C" has helped the follow-up development of the latest "Dongfeng-5C" with multiple warheads. Editor's note).

The article said that up to now, China has not disclosed the development of the world's largest solid fuel intercontinental ballistic missile based on the "fast boat-21", but it would be unwise for Chinese strategic planners to decide to give up this choice. China may now be deploying the “Dongfeng-17” with a range of more than 3,000 kilometers, equipped with a small mobile hypersonic glide warhead (HGV). If the size is similar to the Russian "pioneer", then the "fast boat-21" with a payload of 20 tons may carry nearly 50 HGVs.

According to the report, the PLA's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Basic Combat Unit is equipped with about six missiles. According to the above, each missile can carry 50 warheads. Each combat unit can deploy nearly 300 warheads. Therefore, the five intercontinental ballistic missile units equipped with the "Fast Boat-21" can almost correspond to the number of nuclear warheads deployed by the United States and Russia. China is likely to build a transport/erect/launch vehicle that is large enough to maneuver an intercontinental ballistic missile based on the “Fast Boat-21” to a location close to each node of the Rocket’s “Underground Great Wall” (missile base tunnel) so that Make quick preparations.

However, an anonymous Chinese military expert said in an interview with the "Global Times" reporter that the US media article is full of mistakes and the views are very amateur. The expert believes that the so-called "Fast Boat-21" launch vehicle developed by Western experts does not have much practical significance in the development of intercontinental missiles. Take the "fast boat-21" as an example. If it can reach a payload of 20 tons, its take-off weight will exceed the "Long March-5" launch vehicle with a capacity of 25 tons in low earth orbit. The current solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles are usually under 50 tons, and even heavy-duty liquid intercontinental ballistic missiles do not exceed 200 tons. Hundreds of tons of solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles are unimaginable and less likely to be used for road maneuvers. Such intercontinental ballistic missiles are not of much practical significance.

Experts say that some countries in the world do have rockets developed or modified on the basis of missiles. However, the so-called specialization of the industry, the launch vehicle for space launch and the intercontinental missile used for military are currently developing in different directions, each with its own needs and design indicators, and cannot simply equate the two. ▲ (Li Qiang)
 
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