Alternative future of HK, I want your opinion guys

[Char_Azn]

This thread is about an alternate future. It isn't about the present situation. In this alternate timeline HK is no more a part of china. Why? Cos china kicked out HK. HK is no more a part of china. HK is a soverign nation on its own.

See this part

And unlike SG, Hong Kong never integrated the other races into their community. When the British left HK, many Indians who served the British stayed behind. Their kids have problems getting into local schools coz they were never really recognized as one of them. I was there when they were running the report last July. The Hongkies are as Chinese as you can get. If you were to dump Turks into Hong Kong, it's not going to work. If you were to force the tactic onto the Hongkies, racial riots would break out and more likely then not a civil war.

Just look at SG. It took us more then a 40 years to get to where we are yet we still have a long way to go to fully integrate the various races together.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

See this part

Yes i see it. It's probably not even going to work out in the first place huh and i actually respect the HKers for making HK so much for the chinese.

 

[Sideswipe]

the indians and south asian peoples who stayed behind after 97 are an insignificant <5%. integrated them into HK community for what? waste of efforts only.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

the indians and south asian peoples who stayed behind after 97 are an insignificant <5%. integrated them into HK community for what? waste of efforts only.

yeah why integrate these bloody shit skins that won't even respect chinese culture.

 

[Agoraphobic]

You forgot one thing. HK is now a totally independent country and not under china.

HK is not totally indedpendent. It is not even independent. For a while there was panic selling of private property as scores of HKers ruched for Canadian an Oz PR just before the handover as they feared Commie rule. But China allowed HK to run as it has (for fifty years) so as to milk the capitalist system that evolved so well in HK. It was also to allay any fears from the locals of Beijing's brutality when the CCCP took over the reins decades ago.

This was Chinese diplomacy at its best.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

HK is not totally indedpendent. It is not even independent. For a while there was panic selling of private property as scores of HKers ruched for Canadian an Oz PR just before the handover as they feared Commie rule. But China allowed HK to run as it has (for fifty years) so as to milk the capitalist system that evolved so well in HK. It was also to allay any fears from the locals of Beijing's brutality when the CCCP took over the reins decades ago.

This was Chinese diplomacy at its best.

Cheers!

No no i'm talking about this alternate future.

 

[Agoraphobic]

No no i'm talking about this alternate future.

Oh, sorry.

Ok. If Hong Turk became indepedent, it would have to play the Chinese card, else evreything imported fromt he mainland will be subjected to very very high import tax. PRC wouldn't buy anything through Hongkistan and would sell expensive. The Turks would have no choice but to move out, or subject itself to PRC's policies. No military policy need to be subjected by the Dragon, Hongkistan will eventually succumb to the giant next door. Without raw materials, vegetables, rice, water coming from the mainland, what will Hongkistan do to obtain the revenue to purchase things for her survival?

Just my simplistic opinion.

Cheers!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Oh, sorry.

Ok. If Hong Turk became indepedent, it would have to play the Chinese card, else evreything imported fromt he mainland will be subjected to very very high import tax. PRC wouldn't buy anything through Hongkistan and would sell expensive. The Turks would have no choice but to move out, or subject itself to PRC's policies. No military policy need to be subjected by the Dragon, Hongkistan will eventually succumb to the giant next door. Without raw materials, vegetables, rice, water coming from the mainland, what will Hongkistan do to obtain the revenue to purchase things for her survival?

Just my simplistic opinion.

Cheers!

Ah i see why is singapore able to survive as an independent nation?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Why dun you just say it out whether we should feel sorry for our malay countrymen?
Why go one big circle to ask a simple question?

This isn't about singapore and malaysia but in this alternate scenerio i am painting here. Why won't you answer it?

Cos then it will contridict what you think about singapore and malaysia.

I am sure in this story i have painted here you want to support and praise the turkish ppl and the chinese ppl in HK don't deserve any sympathy but if you wrote this out then it would mean you agree with the singapore malays and malaysia situation here in real life but that's not what you actually think on the malays in singapore even though malaysia kicked singapore out of malaysia. Am i correct?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

comeon guys i want your opinion on this alternate scenerio.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I have decided to change HK to an actual island hainan island that isn't connected to the mainland of china.



Ok as we all know Hainan island is an island that is a part of china. Well let's think of this alternate scenerio instead.

Suppose somehow an invading western force for convinence sake say it was the british that somehow got the chinese govt in charge of hainan or say the qing govt to sell away the island of hainan to the brits. The brits import an alien race let's say the turkish ppl and let's assume they build up hainan island.

Anyway after ww2 when brits are giving up their colonies worldwide they decide to return hainan to china since they feel that the island cannot survive by itself as a nation. Hainan returns as a part of china.

Hainan is a seperate nation right next to a giant china and nearby is another country that has the same culture as china, taiwan. Hainan has a majority of turkish people in this alternate scenerio and they obviously don't belong in the region being alien to it i suppose. Anyway they run the govt of HainanK and they relegate the chinese citizens o fHainan into serving unimportant military units and prevent them from serving important units in any of HK's military and even political positions. The reason given is they are afraid that these Hainan chinese citizens might give away secrets to their relatives in neighbouring china. Anyway let me clarify this to you readers. In this world Hainan has more or less always been occupied by the chinese ppl. When the brits took overHainan they brought in foreigners or ppl alien to the region. Turkish people. When the colonization was over they returned Hainan to china but china kicked Hainan out and didn't want Hainan to be part of china anymore.

Here's my question. Do you feel pity for the chinese citizens of Hainan that are being discriminated even though they have occupied Hainan for thousands of yrs but only recently had newcomers live in their country? Do you think that the chinese citizens in Hainan deserve pity even though the govt of china kicked Hainan out of china and not becos they were forced to give up Hainan. Do you think that the turkish ppl should be commended for making cantonese the national language of Hainan even though the majority of Hainan consist of turkish people and that chinese ppl only make up 15% of Hainan's population.

Let me remind you again that even though china kicked out Hainan it has always been inhabited by chinese ppl since Hainan is next to china therefore would you feel sorry for the chinese ppl based on the story i described?

Just tell your thoughts.

 

[winners]

China is damn bloody cunning to give the 50 years autonomy to HK because they know that those older generations under the British governance would have mostly died by then and hence it will be much easier and with less bloodshed to coerce the new generations to accept them.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Wah, quite some time since this post appeared, some change in thinking since.

Don't know m much about Hainan except that it is a a Holiday destination for mainlanders. Myself, hoping for an opportunity to visit during a future seminar or exhibition, Would like to experience the sun, sand and seafood there. PRC is very much part of the world in economics now, nothing is going to change that.

Cheers!

 

[syed putra]

I know it's kind of hard to picture HK without china but then again what about sg without malaysia? In the 60s that was difficult to imagine. Remember in my story china kicked out HK.

a huge bulk of trade an investment is with malaysia and vice versa even though separated since 1965.
many malays already left singapore for malaysia, just for your info. and many more work in malaysia but retain their singapore citizenship. these are in insurance, legal, accounts and entertainment etc.

 

[singham]

i think HK will adopt use of RMB in time to come, so will Macau. you go any money changer and ask for MOP, they have little stock, reason, Macau is using HK dollar more often.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

I heard the macuanese dialect of portugese and i think cantonese mixture is dying out.

 

[maxxi]

All land in HK is lease hold and will expire in 2045 when it revert to central government.

Inspite of this, the property market is booming.

Only 2 plots of land is freehold.