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Tuan, Agree.
Susu just had a mental breakdown. Only Captain Harry can save her now !:o
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All Cecilia Sue stuff here please....
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Tuan, Agree.
Susu just had a mental breakdown. Only Captain Harry can save her now !:o
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Susu become kuku especially with so many lies upon lies everytime each story has large holes she cannot explain to the court.
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doubt it. He knew there is conflict of interest when he was appointed as head of CNB, and yet he continued his illicit affair with Sue, without notifying higher up. This alone should be sufficient to get him sacked and charged.
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Covert recording WILL NEVER be produced in court. Telephone records mean the number of times they called each other, date, time and duration. Nothing sensitive about this as such info can be obtained without much hassle. There is a difference between telephone voice recording and covert monitoring.
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Imo, should be dealt with internally via PSC and not in court.
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CPIB interviewed CS only after 11 hours being called in
SINGAPORE - Eleven hours passed between the time Ms Cecilia Sue was taken to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) and when she was first interviewed, and she only signed her fifth CPIB statement four hours after recording of her statement ended.
Meanwhile, midway through former Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) Director Ng Boon Gay's graft investigation, the Deputy Director of the CPIB's investigation department Teng Khee Fatt stopped recording details of the investigation into his station diary.
As these details were revealed on the seventh day of Ng's graft trial by Mr Teng, a prosecution witness, defence lawyer Senior Counsel Tan Chee Meng called into question the CPIB's handling of the investigation, and pressed Mr Teng on why there was a distinct shift in Ms Sue's statements.
In her first four statements, Ms Sue maintained that she was having a consensual sexual relationship with Ng. This changed from the fifth statement onwards.
Ms Sue had been "so sure that the first three statements were so true that she volunteered for a polygraph test", said Mr Tan, at one point noting an entry in the investigation diary which stated that Ms Sue was willing to take the test.
Mr Teng responded that there was a mistake in the investigation diary. "I left out the 'not'," he said.
Mr Teng also said that, after the recording of the fifth statement, Ms Sue initially expressed concern that her testimony would affect her marriage. According to Mr Teng, Ms Sue was then brought to his office by a senior investigator. "She wanted to save her marriage," he said.
Mr Tan's cross-examination prompted objections from District Judge Siva Shanmugam and the prosecution, with Mr Siva questioning the relevance in casting doubt on the CPIB's investigation. But Mr Tan persisted, pointing out that it would be "an embarrassment to CPIB" if there were no charges after investigations, earning him a second rebuke.
Mr Tan said he was not casting doubt on the integrity of the CPIB, but he maintained his allegations against Mr Teng, who he said seemed to be "taking the matter personally, with (a view to) seeking a conviction".
Mr Teng had allegedly told Ms Sue that her husband and employer would forgive her after her first statement recording ended, which Mr Teng yesterday explained was "just my personal opinion".
Mr Teng also allegedly told Ms Sue that the CPIB would attempt to have the case heard in chambers. Asked if there was any precedent, Mr Teng said there had been a case "involving a sensitive operation", but it did not involve a top civil servant.
On why he stopped filing the investigation details into his station diary - despite the law mandating police officers to do so - Mr Teng said it was because the investigation was assigned to a senior investigator. He could not explain the 11-hour gap before Ms Sue's first interview.
Earlier, Mr Koh Hong Eng, a Senior Director (Global Lead) for Justice and Public Safety at Oracle Corporation, also took the stand.
While Deputy Chief Prosecutor Tan Ken Hwee sought to establish that there were business opportunities being pursued with the CNB by Ms Sue, Mr Koh acknowledged under cross-examination that he was not aware of any attempts at influencing the award of tenders by either Ms Sue or Ng.
Two other prosecution witnesses, CPIB officers Wilson Khoo and Bay Chun How, will take the stand before the prosecution wraps up its case.
The trial continues.
TODAY
SINGAPORE - Eleven hours passed between the time Ms Cecilia Sue was taken to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) and when she was first interviewed, and she only signed her fifth CPIB statement four hours after recording of her statement ended.
Meanwhile, midway through former Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) Director Ng Boon Gay's graft investigation, the Deputy Director of the CPIB's investigation department Teng Khee Fatt stopped recording details of the investigation into his station diary.
As these details were revealed on the seventh day of Ng's graft trial by Mr Teng, a prosecution witness, defence lawyer Senior Counsel Tan Chee Meng called into question the CPIB's handling of the investigation, and pressed Mr Teng on why there was a distinct shift in Ms Sue's statements.
In her first four statements, Ms Sue maintained that she was having a consensual sexual relationship with Ng. This changed from the fifth statement onwards.
Ms Sue had been "so sure that the first three statements were so true that she volunteered for a polygraph test", said Mr Tan, at one point noting an entry in the investigation diary which stated that Ms Sue was willing to take the test.
Mr Teng responded that there was a mistake in the investigation diary. "I left out the 'not'," he said.
Mr Teng also said that, after the recording of the fifth statement, Ms Sue initially expressed concern that her testimony would affect her marriage. According to Mr Teng, Ms Sue was then brought to his office by a senior investigator. "She wanted to save her marriage," he said.
Mr Tan's cross-examination prompted objections from District Judge Siva Shanmugam and the prosecution, with Mr Siva questioning the relevance in casting doubt on the CPIB's investigation. But Mr Tan persisted, pointing out that it would be "an embarrassment to CPIB" if there were no charges after investigations, earning him a second rebuke.
Mr Tan said he was not casting doubt on the integrity of the CPIB, but he maintained his allegations against Mr Teng, who he said seemed to be "taking the matter personally, with (a view to) seeking a conviction".
Mr Teng had allegedly told Ms Sue that her husband and employer would forgive her after her first statement recording ended, which Mr Teng yesterday explained was "just my personal opinion".
Mr Teng also allegedly told Ms Sue that the CPIB would attempt to have the case heard in chambers. Asked if there was any precedent, Mr Teng said there had been a case "involving a sensitive operation", but it did not involve a top civil servant.
On why he stopped filing the investigation details into his station diary - despite the law mandating police officers to do so - Mr Teng said it was because the investigation was assigned to a senior investigator. He could not explain the 11-hour gap before Ms Sue's first interview.
Earlier, Mr Koh Hong Eng, a Senior Director (Global Lead) for Justice and Public Safety at Oracle Corporation, also took the stand.
While Deputy Chief Prosecutor Tan Ken Hwee sought to establish that there were business opportunities being pursued with the CNB by Ms Sue, Mr Koh acknowledged under cross-examination that he was not aware of any attempts at influencing the award of tenders by either Ms Sue or Ng.
Two other prosecution witnesses, CPIB officers Wilson Khoo and Bay Chun How, will take the stand before the prosecution wraps up its case.
The trial continues.
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Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessions?
SINGAPORE - The deputy director of the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau's (CPIB) investigation department was today questioned about the manner in which witness statements were taken, and the way in which the investigation of former Central Narcotics Bureau chief Ng Boon Gay was conducted.
Appearing as the second prosecution witness for the day, Mr Teng Khee Fatt said the prosecution's key witness Ms Cecilia Sue did not appeared confused, tired or upset after her statements to the CPIB were recorded.
But under cross examination from defence lawyer Senior Counsel Tan Chee Meng, Mr Teng faced scrutiny over his integrity as the Senior Counsel suggested that Mr Teng had influenced Ms Sue to change her statements.
The Senior Counsel noted the long periods of time Mr Teng spent with Ms Sue, in his office, before and after her CPIB statements were taken, and put it that the distinct shift of position in her later statements were not voluntarily made.
Mr Teng said the issues Ms Sue raised when they spoke included concerns about her marriage and her career.
Earlier this morning, Mr Koh Hong Eng, a Senior Director (Global Lead) for Justice and Public Safety at Oracle Corporation was examined by Deputy Chief Prosecutor Tan Ken Hwee, who sought to establish that there were business opportunities being pursued by Ms Cecilia Sue.
Two other prosecution witnesses, CPIB officers Wilson Khoo and Bay Chun How, will also take the stand during the trial, before the Prosecution wraps up its case.
The trial continues tomorrow morning.
TODAY
SINGAPORE - The deputy director of the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau's (CPIB) investigation department was today questioned about the manner in which witness statements were taken, and the way in which the investigation of former Central Narcotics Bureau chief Ng Boon Gay was conducted.
Appearing as the second prosecution witness for the day, Mr Teng Khee Fatt said the prosecution's key witness Ms Cecilia Sue did not appeared confused, tired or upset after her statements to the CPIB were recorded.
But under cross examination from defence lawyer Senior Counsel Tan Chee Meng, Mr Teng faced scrutiny over his integrity as the Senior Counsel suggested that Mr Teng had influenced Ms Sue to change her statements.
The Senior Counsel noted the long periods of time Mr Teng spent with Ms Sue, in his office, before and after her CPIB statements were taken, and put it that the distinct shift of position in her later statements were not voluntarily made.
Mr Teng said the issues Ms Sue raised when they spoke included concerns about her marriage and her career.
Earlier this morning, Mr Koh Hong Eng, a Senior Director (Global Lead) for Justice and Public Safety at Oracle Corporation was examined by Deputy Chief Prosecutor Tan Ken Hwee, who sought to establish that there were business opportunities being pursued by Ms Cecilia Sue.
Two other prosecution witnesses, CPIB officers Wilson Khoo and Bay Chun How, will also take the stand during the trial, before the Prosecution wraps up its case.
The trial continues tomorrow morning.
TODAY
Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
What kind of investigation procedure is this? How can the CS, a potential defendant in a corruption case be brought to see the supervisor with such counseling given? Who knows what went on during that that meeting?
If CS maintained that they are in a relationship, meaning the case against NBG will be weaken. So that's why the "chat" is needed to make her change her stand?
CPIB has a lot to answer. Having said that, I am now sure that NBG will be convicted. CPIB is directed to lead the investigation towards one outcome.
What kind of investigation procedure is this? How can the CS, a potential defendant in a corruption case be brought to see the supervisor with such counseling given? Who knows what went on during that that meeting?
If CS maintained that they are in a relationship, meaning the case against NBG will be weaken. So that's why the "chat" is needed to make her change her stand?
CPIB has a lot to answer. Having said that, I am now sure that NBG will be convicted. CPIB is directed to lead the investigation towards one outcome.
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I agree.
Perhaps, in the past the SPF, CNB and other Ministry of Home Affairs matters, were dealt with internally without airing dirty linen.
May be, one or two recently appointed senior civil servant or Minister decided to proceed with charges and a Court hearing.
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Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
if that is the case, Koh will kenna or not? I read before that living off the immoral earning of a woman is a crime? Indirectly, he is right?
If CS give BBBJ to get deal and he benefit from it indirectly when she close the deal. Can count or not?
if that is the case, Koh will kenna or not? I read before that living off the immoral earning of a woman is a crime? Indirectly, he is right?
If CS give BBBJ to get deal and he benefit from it indirectly when she close the deal. Can count or not?
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Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
Don't think anything legal will happen to him. Unless they prove she did indeed give sex for contracts and he was the pimp behind all this.
If governments still do business with Oracle, it only provese he is very connected.
Don't think anything legal will happen to him. Unless they prove she did indeed give sex for contracts and he was the pimp behind all this.
If governments still do business with Oracle, it only provese he is very connected.
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Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
He has the kind of look that i always imagine GoldenDragon to look like.
He has the kind of look that i always imagine GoldenDragon to look like.
Some images of CPIB DD Teng Khee Fatt. Looks so much like a typical Geylang uncle with the big pot belly and swagger
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Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
Very Guai Lan!
Very Guai Lan!
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Circus Show drags on and on and on ....
Wonder how long this circus show will drag on ?
Tax payers money are wasted for this type of hoo ha
Wonder how long this circus show will drag on ?
Tax payers money are wasted for this type of hoo ha
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Questions raised over Cecilia Sue's 11 hours at CPIB
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121101-380754.html
SINGAPORE - She was held at the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) headquarters for more than a day the first time she was called in to give her statements last December.
But in the time former IT sales manager Cecilia Sue Siew Nang spent there, hours passed, unaccounted for. In fact, the longest stretch which was not logged spanned over 11 hours.
The occasion was when her first three statements were taken for investigations involving former Central Narcotics Bureau director Ng Boon Gay.
On Dec 19 last year, Ms Sue was taken to CPIB at 3.15pm, but her first statement was recorded from 2.50am to 5.35am.
This was revealed on the seventh day of Ng's trial yesterday.
The hearing in the Subordinate Courts, which resumed after a month-long break, saw the deputy director of CPIB's investigation department, Mr Teng Khee Fatt, take the stand.
Ng, 46, is charged with four counts of obtaining sexual gratification from Ms Sue, 36, between June and December last year.
Doubt had been cast over whether she was lying in court, or to the CPIB in earlier statements.
Her first four statements said that she and Ng were involved in an intimate relationship. But in subsequent statements and court testimony, she claimed that Ng forced her into sexual acts.
Mr Teng, who joined the CPIB in 1979, told the court that Ms Sue had not seemed confused, tired or upset after statements were taken. He said he was not sure what happened during the long periods in between officially-recorded statements.
Defence lawyer Tan Chee Meng also probed why Mr Teng did not question Ms Sue's "distinct shift in position".
He asked:"As a seasoned investigator, if she were to come to you and change (her) position, would you not have asked her why?"
Mr Tan also said on Jan 12 - the day Ms Sue's fifth statement was taken - Mr Teng had spent four hours speaking to her after her statement was taken.
Logs in Mr Teng's work diary said that she checked the statement but did not wish to sign it, said Mr Tan.
Mr Tan added: "It seems to me the four hours was (spent) to persuade her to sign the statement... What did you promise her?"
Mr Teng said that nothing was promised and that Ms Sue had spoken to him about her marital and work concerns.
When asked by the prosecution if he was questioning the integrity of the witness, Mr Tan said: "I have good basis to suggest that the change in position by Cecilia Sue was not done voluntarily by her."
Mr Teng will take the stand again today.
Questions raised over Cecilia Sue's 11 hours at CPIB
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20121101-380754.html
SINGAPORE - She was held at the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB) headquarters for more than a day the first time she was called in to give her statements last December.
But in the time former IT sales manager Cecilia Sue Siew Nang spent there, hours passed, unaccounted for. In fact, the longest stretch which was not logged spanned over 11 hours.
The occasion was when her first three statements were taken for investigations involving former Central Narcotics Bureau director Ng Boon Gay.
On Dec 19 last year, Ms Sue was taken to CPIB at 3.15pm, but her first statement was recorded from 2.50am to 5.35am.
This was revealed on the seventh day of Ng's trial yesterday.
The hearing in the Subordinate Courts, which resumed after a month-long break, saw the deputy director of CPIB's investigation department, Mr Teng Khee Fatt, take the stand.
Ng, 46, is charged with four counts of obtaining sexual gratification from Ms Sue, 36, between June and December last year.
Doubt had been cast over whether she was lying in court, or to the CPIB in earlier statements.
Her first four statements said that she and Ng were involved in an intimate relationship. But in subsequent statements and court testimony, she claimed that Ng forced her into sexual acts.
Mr Teng, who joined the CPIB in 1979, told the court that Ms Sue had not seemed confused, tired or upset after statements were taken. He said he was not sure what happened during the long periods in between officially-recorded statements.
Defence lawyer Tan Chee Meng also probed why Mr Teng did not question Ms Sue's "distinct shift in position".
He asked:"As a seasoned investigator, if she were to come to you and change (her) position, would you not have asked her why?"
Mr Tan also said on Jan 12 - the day Ms Sue's fifth statement was taken - Mr Teng had spent four hours speaking to her after her statement was taken.
Logs in Mr Teng's work diary said that she checked the statement but did not wish to sign it, said Mr Tan.
Mr Tan added: "It seems to me the four hours was (spent) to persuade her to sign the statement... What did you promise her?"
Mr Teng said that nothing was promised and that Ms Sue had spoken to him about her marital and work concerns.
When asked by the prosecution if he was questioning the integrity of the witness, Mr Tan said: "I have good basis to suggest that the change in position by Cecilia Sue was not done voluntarily by her."
Mr Teng will take the stand again today.
Re: Defence : Why investigator spent long time in office with CS before & after sessi
I believe that [GoldenDragon] having spent less time in the SPF, is probably not as round as this gentleman.
I believe that [GoldenDragon] having spent less time in the SPF, is probably not as round as this gentleman.
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