get real. Vietnam is doing all the provoking. in the first place, their state controlled papers widely reported the oil rig standoff which incited negative public sentiments against China. their mobsters pillaged and burnt foreign countries' factories and Hanoi was suspected of having a role in the unrest and facilitating the actions of the mobsters. Vietnam wants a fight with China who will not avoid it. the Vietnamese would regret their actions of antagonizing China.
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ALERT! China Sending Five Ships to Evacuate Chinese Nationals from Vietnam .
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get real. Vietnam is doing all the provoking. in the first place, their state controlled papers widely reported the oil rig standoff which incited negative public sentiments against China. their mobsters pillaged and burnt foreign countries' factories and Hanoi was suspected of having a role in the unrest and facilitating the actions of the mobsters. Vietnam wants a fight with China who will not avoid it. the Vietnamese would regret their actions of antagonizing China.
both side wont fight one lah.
until now, both sides political leadership have kept quiet on the whole incident. Only the military leaders are sabre rattling. Unless PLA move troops from other military regions, especially chengdu military region to reinforce Guangzhou military region, the current orbat at Guangzhou cannot overcome the vietnamese north of hanoi. In 1979, PLA used 29 divisions to invade vietnam. At that time, vietnamese main forces was fighting in cambodia, so the vietnamese facing the PLA in 1979 was mainly militia and reservists. Now, although PLA modernized and streamline the forces but that cause the main body of GMR to be only 4 cat A divisions plus a few independent brigades. That barely 100K fighting men instead of the reputed 200k in 1979. Vietnam also learn from 1979 mistakes and shd have extensive field fortifications in depth along the viet/chinese borders and it best troops are station north to deter the PLA. If the PLA is expecting a walk in the park, it going to be expensive in term of blood shed.
until now, both sides political leadership have kept quiet on the whole incident. Only the military leaders are sabre rattling. Unless PLA move troops from other military regions, especially chengdu military region to reinforce Guangzhou military region, the current orbat at Guangzhou cannot overcome the vietnamese north of hanoi. In 1979, PLA used 29 divisions to invade vietnam. At that time, vietnamese main forces was fighting in cambodia, so the vietnamese facing the PLA in 1979 was mainly militia and reservists. Now, although PLA modernized and streamline the forces but that cause the main body of GMR to be only 4 cat A divisions plus a few independent brigades. That barely 100K fighting men instead of the reputed 200k in 1979. Vietnam also learn from 1979 mistakes and shd have extensive field fortifications in depth along the viet/chinese borders and it best troops are station north to deter the PLA. If the PLA is expecting a walk in the park, it going to be expensive in term of blood shed.
land conflict is not likely to happen. wouldn't rule out a sea skirmish or extended standoff accidentally or intentionally. so who won in 1979 ? China provided massive military support and financial aid to the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam war. they helped them so much. why they fought in 1979 just 4 years after the end of the Vietnam war ?
just ask anyone with a vietnamese spouse. the moment they open their mouths, living things die. even insects commit suicide hearing them talk.
just ask anyone with a vietnamese spouse. the moment they open their mouths, living things die. even insects commit suicide hearing them talk.
Agree. Even mosquitoes in deep sleep will be awakened !:o
I have viet frens and had viet gfs before, they sound ok, just i dont understand them. Sound much better than the northern ah tiong boos and their bloody mandarin...and if viet gals are that bad,,,no singkie will have a viet spouse,,
just ask anyone with a vietnamese spouse. the moment they open their mouths, living things die. even insects commit suicide hearing them talk.
Yes he did, he sent a shipload of new flags to Vietnam
because vietnamese one leg step two boats. At the conclusion of vietnam/america war in 1975, vietnamese signed treaties with soviet, giving russia access to ports in the south china sea. That was viewed as a betrayal by the PRCs, especially that mean chinese borders are again surrounded by enemies, russia in the north and west, india at southwest while vietnam directly south. The reason why Mao open china to uncle sam in 1976 was to counter the threat of soviet russia.
PRCs took the vietnamese betrayal especially hard because PRC provide troops, AA guns and misslie to the NVA and also gave lots of assistance, ie. livestocks, grains, farming equipments, etc etc.... during north vietnam conflict with uncle sam. All these barangs were provided during the extreme hardship of the chinese cultural revolution. Ownself ppl also not enough to eat, still provide assistances to comrade in arm but once comrade victorious, turn his gun toward PRCs. Of course, PRC damned tulan. That why PLA plundered the occupied area and destroyed whatever they cannot carry across the borders.
of course got ppl said Deng use this conflict to purge the PLA leadership of the old regime supporters, as he need to PLA leadership to keep busy while he reform the Politburo as Deng only regained the leadership in 1977 with the help of marshal ye jianying.
Isn't this the same tactic that the chinese used when the Japanese gov't bought the Senkaku Islands
There were riots in China & Japanese properties burned.If China is going to use such tactics, her neighbours will of cause take note & some may copy the same tactic.
I wouldn't be surprised if other countries like the Philippines would do the same except that the chinese have nothing there.
China is growing and her demand for oil right now depends on imports. She will want to change that for sure and is in the position to do so. Claiming the areas in South China Sea, she faces no opposition if ASEAN does not face up to her together. Individually, no member state of ASEAN is able to do it without the support of a power like USA, who right now prefers to view China as a trading and business chump, and also has got her own fuel reserves in North America without having to go overseas to get it. So, China has a free hand in South China Sea and does not need a blue water navy to exert her forces there. Her aircraft carrier Liaoning can remain in port. Vietnam was able to defeat China in their dispute in 1979, but that was a border clash; in no way has Vietnam any chance of facing China in the seas.
Cheers!
ps. ASEAN can work this our together. Mudland or Peesai can deploy their submarines to torpedo the Ah Tiong ships when they go to Vietnam to evacuate their blokes. But these two countries cannot fight one. Their forces' must remain clean and smart for appearance in parades.
Cheers!
ps. ASEAN can work this our together. Mudland or Peesai can deploy their submarines to torpedo the Ah Tiong ships when they go to Vietnam to evacuate their blokes. But these two countries cannot fight one. Their forces' must remain clean and smart for appearance in parades.
so their objective is to invade vietnam,not the rig?
Invading Vietnam is probably not on their agenda, but if the Viets go and ka-chao their rig further, they'll somehow have to teach them a lesson with some firepower. Like those bloody Chinks once told me: "We have been bullied by others for so many years already, so now it's our turn to bully others".
just ask anyone with a vietnamese spouse. the moment they open their mouths, living things die. even insects commit suicide hearing them talk.
Our very own raiders has a viet wife.
Isn't this the same tactic that the chinese used when the Japanese gov't bought the Senkaku Islands
If China is going to use such tactics, her neighbours will of cause take note & some may copy the same tactic.
I wouldn't be surprised if other countries like the Philippines would do the same except that the chinese have nothing there.
yes, the chinese leadership let the chinese masses attack nipponkia assets but remember only NIPPON assets are affected. The vietcong never tell the difference between anti ahtiongland or anti chinese race. It the vietcong had limited the riots against ahtiongland assets and lives, then internationally vietcong still hold the moral high ground. But vietcongs instead burned down taiwanese assets, burn singapore flag and basically the riots turn into anti-chinese. With substantial enthic chinese population in every asean countries, no asean govt will want to view as anti chinese by its own local chinese population.
The PRCs themselves are also fanning the flames as they want to mobilise the masses away from PRC incompetence...and hence the ah tiongs will spend less time KPKB about their gahmen,,,,these are common commie tactics used since time immemorial,,,look at what the PRC is doing to the Japs,,,they can easily do it to the VC, Pinoys, Indons and Mats,,
[video=youtube;lFb8N33RkTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFb8N33RkTE[/video]
[video=youtube;lFb8N33RkTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFb8N33RkTE[/video]
Isn't this the same tactic that the chinese used when the Japanese gov't bought the Senkaku Islands
If China is going to use such tactics, her neighbours will of cause take note & some may copy the same tactic.
I wouldn't be surprised if other countries like the Philippines would do the same except that the chinese have nothing there.
every govts use this tactic to hoodwink the citizens. matland and indoland love to use spore as to turn public opionion away from their own incompetence. pap also use this tactic recently to boast support but fail miserably.
can't remember Japanese assets suffering really serious attacks in China then. maybe there were isolated accidents. definitely not on the same heavy scale as the Vietnamese very well-coordinated anti-Chinese riots which caused great damages to China and other countries' business assets. dozens of Chinese were injured and unconfirmed reports that several Chinese were killed. the Viet govt probably miscalculated the situation and allowed the riots to escalate out of control.
it's absurd for the Viets to say they mistook the Singapore flag for a China flag and they can't tell the difference between PRC, Taiwanese or Japanese. that were just lies. according to the Taiwanese businessmen, their Viet workers joined the mobsters to pillage and burnt down their factories. the Viets were robbing and pillaging foreigners' assets in the name of patriotism or ant-China sentiments.
The PAP has created many, many boogeyman over the years to retain power: communists, marxists, chinese chauvinists, terrorist,... Anyone old enough to remember all these scares must be amazed that Spore now gives free scholarships &jobs to some of these communists & potential terrorists
just ask anyone with a vietnamese spouse. the moment they open their mouths, living things die. even insects commit suicide hearing them talk.
no wonder, Raiders committed suicide
