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Yes, insurance claim will be one issue. The other will be its Indonesia operations, the regulators will slap them with a heavy fine and restrict their air traffic.
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Yes, insurance claim will be one issue. The other will be its Indonesia operations, the regulators will slap them with a heavy fine and restrict their air traffic.
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another bullshit cock story ..why not you say you are in Mars... sounds more real.
Melbourne your cock lah. Bo Siong Kong Simi Lan Cheow Wei? Don't copy my method of saying you are on the moon lah. Your brain is really full of m&d, or are you an autistic child or chap cheng kia? For goodness sake, come up with some of your own originality ok?
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spare the family, the fucked mother already has to put up with curses that come her way thru the fuck up son
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AirAsia flight QZ8501: None of the bodies was wearing life jacket, says Indonesia search official
JAKARTA - None of the bodies found so far in the hunt for the doomed Indonesia AirAsia flight QZ8501 were wearing life jackets, an official of Indonesia's search and rescue agency said on Wednesday, contradicting earlier reports that one of the bodies had a life jacket on.
“There was a victim, a man, and a life jacket. They were found apart. He was not wearing a life jacket,” Basarnas operations deputy, Major-General Tatang Zaenuddin, was quoted as saying by a report on Detik.com news website.
“So far, none of the bodies had life jackets on.”
Earlier, the official was cited as saying a body recovered from the crashed plane was wearing a life jacket, raising questions about how the disaster unfolded.
"This morning, we recovered a total of four bodies and one of them was wearing a life jacket," Tatang Zaenudin said according to Reuters. He declined to speculate on what the find might mean.
The fact that one person put on a life jacket would appear to indicate those on board had at least some time before the aircraft hit the water, or after it hit the water and before it sank.
And yet the pilots did not issue a distress signal. The plane disappeared after it failed to get permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather because of heavy air traffic.
A pilot who works for a Gulf carrier said the life jacket indicated the cause of the crash was not “catastrophic failure”.
Instead, the plane could have stalled and then come down, possibly because its instruments iced up and gave the pilots inaccurate readings. “There was time. It means the thing didn’t just fall out of the sky,” said the pilot, who declined to be identified.
He said it could take a minute for a plane to come down from 30,000 feet and the pilots could have experienced “tunnel vision ... too overloaded” to send a distress call.
“The first train of thought when you get into a situation like that is to fly the aircraft.”
Most of those on board were Indonesians. No survivors have been found.
Earlier on Wednesday, Mr F. H. Bambang Soelistyo, chief of the Basarnas search and rescue agency, said that one female body recovered on Wednesday was dressed in the uniform of an air stewardess.
The other three bodies retrieved on Wednesday were male, officials said.
Together with the two female and one male body recoved on Tuesday, it brings the total number of bodies recovered so far to seven - three female and four male.
Some of the bodies were fully clothed, which could indicate the Airbus A320-200 was intact when it hit the water. That would support a theory that it suffered an aerodynamic stall.
Rescuers believe they have found the plane on the ocean floor off Borneo, after sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.
Ships and planes had been scouring the Java Sea for flight QZ8501 since Sunday, when it lost contact during bad weather about 40 minutes into its flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore.
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Asia News
AirAsia Didn’t Have Permission to Fly Route on Day of Crash
Airline Was Only Permitted to Fly From Surabaya to Singapore on Four Days of the Week, Indonesia Says
By
I Made Sentana And
Ben Otto
Updated Jan. 3, 2015 10:27 p.m. ET
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JAKARTA, Indonesia— AirAsia didn’t have permission to fly from Surabaya to Singapore on the Sunday morning that Flight 8501 crashed into the Java Sea, Indonesian officials said Saturday.
The development came as Indonesia’s search-and-rescue agency said it had discovered four large pieces of the plane on the floor of the Java Sea. Because of that discovery, the search area was narrowed on Sunday and divers were able to enter the water to look at what was found, an Indonesian search-and-rescue official said. He added that weather in the search area has improved and that vessels equipped with sound-detection equipment are combing the area in the hope of detecting pings from the plane’s “black box” data recorders.
Transport Ministry spokesman J.A. Barata said the airline was only permitted to fly the route on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
“So AirAsia has committed a violation of the route that has been given to them,” Mr. Barata told The Wall Street Journal. He said the company’s flights from Surabaya, Indonesia’s second-largest city, to Singapore had consequently been suspended on Friday.
AirAsia used to have permission to fly the route daily, but the number of slots was cut for the period Oct. 26 to March 28 because the country was nearing its quota for flying people to Singapore, said Indonesia’s acting director general of aviation, Djoko Murjatmodjo. He didn’t say if other airlines also had their slots reduced.
Mr. Murjatmodjo added that AirAsia had been flying the route on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays rather than the four days designated by the Transportation Ministry. He said the ministry is investigating why AirAsia was flying the route outside its permitted schedule. The probe will include an investigation of the ministry.
“Frankly speaking, it’s a bit late for us to find out about this,” he said. “One thing that’s certain is the days that they are flying aren’t the same as the days they were given. There was no request for changes.”
At a news conference in Surabaya on Saturday, AirAsia Indonesia’s chief executive, Sunu Widyatmoko, said the company would cooperate fully with the government investigation. He said the management of AirAsia won’t comment further until the investigation is complete.
Mr. Barata said the investigation will also cover other airlines.
‘Frankly speaking, it’s a bit late for us to find out about this.’
—Djoko Murjatmodjo
The head of Indonesia’s search-and-rescue agency, Bambang Soelistyo, said Saturday that four pieces of the plane had been found relatively close together on the sea floor, with the largest measuring about 18 meters in length. The agency released sonar images of the objects taken at distances of about 35 meters to 60 meters.
Mr. Soelistyo said ping detectors, designed to detect the plane’s black boxes, would be deployed in the area Sunday. He said better weather forecast for Sunday would likely aid investigation and recovery efforts, and that divers were standing by on boats near the wreckage.
The Airbus A320, which had 162 people on board, lost contact with air traffic control early Sunday morning midway between Surabaya and Singapore.
After two pieces of the plane were discovered, Mr. Soelistyo said, “With the oil slick that we found and the discovery of the two big objects, I can confirm that this is the big part of the AirAsia plane we have been looking for all this time,” adding that a remotely operated vehicle would be sent to take pictures of the objects, though rough weather is hampering the deployment.
Some bodies have been recovered from the Java Sea and a handful of burials and memorial services have taken place, but the majority of passengers and crew are still unaccounted for as rough weather has slowed the search and recovery process.
Anton Castilani, the director of Indonesia’s Disaster Victims Identification unit, said investigators will conduct autopsies on the crew but not on most passengers. The majority of them were Indonesian and written consent must be obtained from relatives for an autopsy to take place, or the police must open a criminal investigation, which they haven’t done, Dr. Castilani said.
“There are cultural issues. People refuse to allow autopsies,” he said.
Autopsies on bodies of air crash victims can help investigators piece together what happened to a flight. For example, if most passengers drowned, it would indicate that the aircraft wasn’t destroyed midair and that people died trying to escape.
One autopsy has been carried out, DVI officials said, without revealing the name of the deceased or cause of death.
‘People refuse to allow autopsies.’
—Anton Castilani
Mr. Soelistyo said Friday evening that a total of 30 bodies had been recovered. Earlier Friday, searchers brought the bodies of 10 victims to shore. Following a ceremonial military send-off, they were flown to Surabaya.
The bodies were placed in white coffins with a bouquet of flowers on top. Each coffin had a sign bearing the recovery number of the body inside, 009 through 018. The coffins were brought by ambulance to the airport. Then, each was carried by eight men in military formation to a waiting Indonesian Air Force airplane.
U.S. Navy vessels are involved in the search operation, with the USS Fort Worth joining the USS Sampson in the hunt for wreckage on Saturday. Twenty-two Russian divers, a small submarine and a Beriev Be-200 amphibious aircraft also arrived on Saturday, said Alexander Shilin, the country’s deputy ambassador to Indonesia.
“This is the most sophisticated equipment that can search both the surface of the water and the bottom of the sea,” Mr. Shilin said of the Beriev Be-200.
The USS Sampson has recovered at least a dozen bodies since it joined the search operation on Monday. The bodies were among those sent by helicopter to Pangkalan Bun on Friday.
Lt. Lauren Cole, deputy public affairs officer for the 7th Fleet, said that weather conditions in the area where the USS Sampson has been operating have hampered operations but the ship’s two Romeo search-and-rescue helicopters have been able to operate daily.
Asia News
AirAsia Didn’t Have Permission to Fly Route on Day of Crash
Airline Was Only Permitted to Fly From Surabaya to Singapore on Four Days of the Week, Indonesia Says
By
I Made Sentana And
Ben Otto
Updated Jan. 3, 2015 10:27 p.m. ET
92 COMMENTS
JAKARTA, Indonesia— AirAsia didn’t have permission to fly from Surabaya to Singapore on the Sunday morning that Flight 8501 crashed into the Java Sea, Indonesian officials said Saturday.
The development came as Indonesia’s search-and-rescue agency said it had discovered four large pieces of the plane on the floor of the Java Sea. Because of that discovery, the search area was narrowed on Sunday and divers were able to enter the water to look at what was found, an Indonesian search-and-rescue official said. He added that weather in the search area has improved and that vessels equipped with sound-detection equipment are combing the area in the hope of detecting pings from the plane’s “black box” data recorders.
Transport Ministry spokesman J.A. Barata said the airline was only permitted to fly the route on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
“So AirAsia has committed a violation of the route that has been given to them,” Mr. Barata told The Wall Street Journal. He said the company’s flights from Surabaya, Indonesia’s second-largest city, to Singapore had consequently been suspended on Friday.
AirAsia used to have permission to fly the route daily, but the number of slots was cut for the period Oct. 26 to March 28 because the country was nearing its quota for flying people to Singapore, said Indonesia’s acting director general of aviation, Djoko Murjatmodjo. He didn’t say if other airlines also had their slots reduced.
Mr. Murjatmodjo added that AirAsia had been flying the route on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays rather than the four days designated by the Transportation Ministry. He said the ministry is investigating why AirAsia was flying the route outside its permitted schedule. The probe will include an investigation of the ministry.
“Frankly speaking, it’s a bit late for us to find out about this,” he said. “One thing that’s certain is the days that they are flying aren’t the same as the days they were given. There was no request for changes.”
At a news conference in Surabaya on Saturday, AirAsia Indonesia’s chief executive, Sunu Widyatmoko, said the company would cooperate fully with the government investigation. He said the management of AirAsia won’t comment further until the investigation is complete.
Mr. Barata said the investigation will also cover other airlines.
‘Frankly speaking, it’s a bit late for us to find out about this.’
—Djoko Murjatmodjo
The head of Indonesia’s search-and-rescue agency, Bambang Soelistyo, said Saturday that four pieces of the plane had been found relatively close together on the sea floor, with the largest measuring about 18 meters in length. The agency released sonar images of the objects taken at distances of about 35 meters to 60 meters.
Mr. Soelistyo said ping detectors, designed to detect the plane’s black boxes, would be deployed in the area Sunday. He said better weather forecast for Sunday would likely aid investigation and recovery efforts, and that divers were standing by on boats near the wreckage.
The Airbus A320, which had 162 people on board, lost contact with air traffic control early Sunday morning midway between Surabaya and Singapore.
After two pieces of the plane were discovered, Mr. Soelistyo said, “With the oil slick that we found and the discovery of the two big objects, I can confirm that this is the big part of the AirAsia plane we have been looking for all this time,” adding that a remotely operated vehicle would be sent to take pictures of the objects, though rough weather is hampering the deployment.
Some bodies have been recovered from the Java Sea and a handful of burials and memorial services have taken place, but the majority of passengers and crew are still unaccounted for as rough weather has slowed the search and recovery process.
Anton Castilani, the director of Indonesia’s Disaster Victims Identification unit, said investigators will conduct autopsies on the crew but not on most passengers. The majority of them were Indonesian and written consent must be obtained from relatives for an autopsy to take place, or the police must open a criminal investigation, which they haven’t done, Dr. Castilani said.
“There are cultural issues. People refuse to allow autopsies,” he said.
Autopsies on bodies of air crash victims can help investigators piece together what happened to a flight. For example, if most passengers drowned, it would indicate that the aircraft wasn’t destroyed midair and that people died trying to escape.
One autopsy has been carried out, DVI officials said, without revealing the name of the deceased or cause of death.
‘People refuse to allow autopsies.’
—Anton Castilani
Mr. Soelistyo said Friday evening that a total of 30 bodies had been recovered. Earlier Friday, searchers brought the bodies of 10 victims to shore. Following a ceremonial military send-off, they were flown to Surabaya.
The bodies were placed in white coffins with a bouquet of flowers on top. Each coffin had a sign bearing the recovery number of the body inside, 009 through 018. The coffins were brought by ambulance to the airport. Then, each was carried by eight men in military formation to a waiting Indonesian Air Force airplane.
U.S. Navy vessels are involved in the search operation, with the USS Fort Worth joining the USS Sampson in the hunt for wreckage on Saturday. Twenty-two Russian divers, a small submarine and a Beriev Be-200 amphibious aircraft also arrived on Saturday, said Alexander Shilin, the country’s deputy ambassador to Indonesia.
“This is the most sophisticated equipment that can search both the surface of the water and the bottom of the sea,” Mr. Shilin said of the Beriev Be-200.
The USS Sampson has recovered at least a dozen bodies since it joined the search operation on Monday. The bodies were among those sent by helicopter to Pangkalan Bun on Friday.
Lt. Lauren Cole, deputy public affairs officer for the 7th Fleet, said that weather conditions in the area where the USS Sampson has been operating have hampered operations but the ship’s two Romeo search-and-rescue helicopters have been able to operate daily.
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Indonesia is probing all airlines to see if they are violating terms of their route permits after the transportation ministry said AirAsia Indonesia was not authorised to fly to Singapore on Dec 28, the day its jetliner crashed into the Java Sea, Bloomberg reported on Sunday. -- PHOTO: ZAOBAO
SURABAYA - Indonesia is probing all airlines to see if they are violating terms of their route permits after the transportation ministry said AirAsia Indonesia was not authorised to fly to Singapore on Dec 28, the day its jetliner crashed into the Java Sea, Bloomberg reported on Sunday.
AirAsia "clearly" breached its route permit as it wasn't permitted to fly from Surabaya to Singapore on Sundays, the day the accident occurred, Mr Djoko Murjatmodjo, director-general for air aviation at the transportation ministry, was quoted by Bloomberg as saying.
The ministry is checking other carriers to ensure they comply with all rules, Murjatmodjo told the news agency.
AirAsia Indonesia was only permitted to fly between the two cities on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, according to Indonesia's transport ministry.
"We're investigating all other airlines to see if the same thing is happening there," Murjatmodjo said. "It's their responsibility to follow what we permit them to do."
The ministry has grounded AirAsia for the Surabaya-Singapore route since Friday, and the suspension will stay until the National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) completes its investigation into the alleged breach.
Former Indonesian Air Force chief of staff and aviation observer Chappy Hakim told Indonesia media he "did not understand" the alleged violation.
"If it's proven that AirAsia flew on a day it wasn't supposed to fly, the question is how could its flight plan be approved in the first place?" Chappy said on Saturday as quoted by kompas.com.
"It makes little sense that they chose to fly on a Sunday knowing they didn't have permission to do so."
He added that it was very odd for an unauthorised flight to have gone ahead.
AirAsia Indonesia's communication manager Malinda Yasmin said the airline could not provide any information before the investigation was completed.
"We will cooperate with the government during the investigation process," she told The Jakarta Post via SMS.
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Bloomberg News
Indonesia Probes All Airlines for Route Violations After Crash
By Yudith Ho January 04, 2015
Indonesia is probing all airlines to see if they are violating terms of their route permits after the transport ministry said AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA) wasn’t authorized to fly to Singapore the day its jetliner crashed into the Java Sea.
AirAsia “clearly” breached its route permit as it wasn’t permitted to fly from Surabaya to Singapore on Sundays, the day the accident occurred, according to Djoko Murjatmodjo, director-general for air aviation at the transport ministry. The ministry is checking other carriers to ensure they comply with all rules, Murjatmodjo said by phone from Jakarta today.
The development comes as search teams scour the ocean for remains from the aircraft that crashed on Dec. 28 with 162 people on board. AirAsia was only permitted to fly between the two cities on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, according to Indonesia’s transport ministry.
Story: Why Air Disasters Keep Happening in Southeast Asia
“We’re investigating all other airlines to see if the same thing is happening there,” Murjatmodjo said. “It’s their responsibility to follow what we permit them to do.”
AirAsia’s website showed all flights from Surabaya to Singapore as unavailable today.
Regulator Onus
If AirAsia flew on a day when it wasn’t permitted, “then the onus falls not only on the airline but also on the regulator,” Shukor Yusof, founder of aviation research firm Endau Analytics, said by phone yesterday from Johor. “Somebody clearly didn’t do their job.”
Video: Indonesia: Plane Search Efforts Face Visibility Issues
AirAsia Indonesia Chief Executive Officer Sunu Widyatmoko confirmed the suspension of the route license, and the carrier will cooperate with an investigation, he said at a press conference broadcast on local television yesterday. The company won’t issue a statement until the results of the government review are announced, he said.
“I think it’s strange that the government is suspending the Surabaya-Singapore service only now, when it’s been operating for years with no issue,” Sunardi, who was waiting for an AirAsia flight to Kuala Lumpur yesterday, said in an interview at Surabaya’s airport. “We still don’t know what really happened.”
Like many Indonesians, Sunardi goes by only one name.
Video: Is There a Danger Zone for Airlines in Southeast Asia?
Safety Concerns
AirAsia Flight 8501 was the third high-profile incident involving a carrier in Asia last year, raising safety concerns in one of the world’s fastest-growing aviation markets. AirAsia is the biggest customer by units of the Airbus Group NV A320, the 8501 plane and a workhorse airliner flown by hundreds of carriers globally.
A spate of crashes in the past decade prompted Indonesia in 2008 to amend laws and boost plane-safety checks after the European Union banned its carriers from flying to Europe. The ban was later partially lifted. Indonesia had 3.77 fatal accidents for every 1 million takeoffs in the three years ended March 31, London-based aviation adviser Ascend said in 2007. The global rate was 0.25 then.
To contact the reporter on this story: Yudith Ho in Surabaya at [email protected]
Video: Indonesia Checking Debris Seen Near Missing Jet Site
To contact the editors responsible for this story: Stanley James at [email protected] Ben
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...all-airlines-for-route-violations-after-crash
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