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actually hor, can anyone tell me who really benefited from CECA deal huh?
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Besides the SHITCAs..the other 2 elephants in the room is ASEAN n Mudland. Both have privileged entry to singkieland employment markets. Perhaps the wankers partying can address that too. If the access of mudlanders is cut for all schools n scholarships etc. There will b no unemployment in singkieland. But tat for pmet category only. The blue collar stuff where no singkies will do its fine for foreigners to do. Hence singkieland should only grant consideration for work permit. S pass be abolished as there are heaps of singkies who can do pmet jobs
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Another point tat needs to be hammered home is there should be calls to Eliminate the S n E pass category. U mean to tell me with singkieland world class education there are no singkies who can fill these 2 categories?
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According to forumers at Singapore Expats, the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) issued some Malaysian workers applying for S-Pass an Employment Pass (EP) instead. MOM states the following differences between various work passes.
List of passes for pass category
Pass type Who is it for
Employment Pass For foreign professionals, managers and executives. Candidates need to earn at least $3,300 a month and have acceptable qualifications.
S Pass For mid-level skilled staff. Candidates need to earn at least $2,200 a month and meet the assessment criteria.
Work Permit for foreign worker For semi-skilled foreign workers in the construction, manufacturing, marine, process or services sector.
A writer for this publication had earlier claimed: “Some people are not aware that Malaysians are treated differently from other nationalities. Their qualifying salary to obtain EP is S$2,200 as opposed to S$3,300 for other nationalities.”
Forumer sundaymorningstaple responded to the post and said: “It’s no wonder Singaporean men are upset then. Especially when they find out that Malaysian men are being given EP’s even for basic entrance value for S passes. I’d be pissed off as well, knowing a 22 kid could come in with a degree and take a local’s degree holder’s job at 2/3 of the prevailing rate (for a degree holder) AND be given an EP for what is an S pass rate. That ought to really give the oppies reason to hammer the government.”
Forumer dynoto said: “My Malaysian girlfriend is getting an EP too. And her salary is $2.8 when her employer applied an S pass for her. Which is weird, I questioned her that its cant be true but well its stated EP on her card…just like mine.”
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Forumer jljj0898 said: “…I questioned my HR and she told me this is normal for Malaysian. Some HR might not aware about this.”
To which Forumer sundaymorningstaple replied: “Can you imagine what that would do on social media? Wow!…I’ve been in HR for 20 years here and this is the first I’ve heard of it as well. I’m pretty gobsmacked to tell the truth. It would appear it’s pretty common as we’re only the tip of the iceberg here. I would reckon you have as good a chance and the next Malaysian Chinese, on getting SG Citizenship. As it appears that the deck is stacked in your favour. Good Luck.”Follow us on Social Media
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According to forumers at Singapore Expats, the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) issued some Malaysian workers applying for S-Pass an Employment Pass (EP) instead. MOM states the following differences between various work passes.
List of passes for pass category
Pass type Who is it for
Employment Pass For foreign professionals, managers and executives. Candidates need to earn at least $3,300 a month and have acceptable qualifications.
S Pass For mid-level skilled staff. Candidates need to earn at least $2,200 a month and meet the assessment criteria.
Work Permit for foreign worker For semi-skilled foreign workers in the construction, manufacturing, marine, process or services sector.
A writer for this publication had earlier claimed: “Some people are not aware that Malaysians are treated differently from other nationalities. Their qualifying salary to obtain EP is S$2,200 as opposed to S$3,300 for other nationalities.”
Forumer sundaymorningstaple responded to the post and said: “It’s no wonder Singaporean men are upset then. Especially when they find out that Malaysian men are being given EP’s even for basic entrance value for S passes. I’d be pissed off as well, knowing a 22 kid could come in with a degree and take a local’s degree holder’s job at 2/3 of the prevailing rate (for a degree holder) AND be given an EP for what is an S pass rate. That ought to really give the oppies reason to hammer the government.”
Forumer dynoto said: “My Malaysian girlfriend is getting an EP too. And her salary is $2.8 when her employer applied an S pass for her. Which is weird, I questioned her that its cant be true but well its stated EP on her card…just like mine.”
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Forumer jljj0898 said: “…I questioned my HR and she told me this is normal for Malaysian. Some HR might not aware about this.”
To which Forumer sundaymorningstaple replied: “Can you imagine what that would do on social media? Wow!…I’ve been in HR for 20 years here and this is the first I’ve heard of it as well. I’m pretty gobsmacked to tell the truth. It would appear it’s pretty common as we’re only the tip of the iceberg here. I would reckon you have as good a chance and the next Malaysian Chinese, on getting SG Citizenship. As it appears that the deck is stacked in your favour. Good Luck.”Follow us on Social Media
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KNN usually during this transition period sinkie will be made in a unknown state KNN most of them will train and even put in best effort to score points so they the company will leeleeploy them to another post KNN
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They are recruited there by companies the moment they graduate. Umilever, jap comoanies...multinationals give them housing and car loan in jiu hu, plus initial housing allowance and expat perks in sinkie for maybe 6 months. Parents granted PR also. I dunno what these companies see in malaysians but i think its because of their multilingual ability plus no NS hassles. Some after working in sinkie, recruited by china companies. Crazy. There must be a reason why they are sought after. The non bumi malaysians that is.
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its ok,,,singkies cina have lost out,,,,and are treated like m&ds in the 80s n 90s,,,,anyway,,,singkies deserve it,,they have been voting pap and bought it upon themselves
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Most likely it's the government who mostly benefitted, not sure which others that may have reaped the benefits.
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Sinkies are all dried to the bone, even their Chee By fund also gone to HDB, so Gahman need New source of income what better way to sell this Cuntry to the Ah NEHs, Pinoys and Tiongs.
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It wasn't that surprising given how much corruptedness people in a government all over the world are showing. They all deserved to be impaled like a pig roast.
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Gov't continues to issue motherhood statements on CECA, but how does it actually benefit the average Singaporean? - The Online Citizen Asia
The question of how much Singaporeans benefit from the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA), it’s free trade agreement (FTA) with India, is one that crops up often in the public sphere.
It’s a conversation that rarely lets up in Singapore as some people slam the agreement for benefitting India more than it does Singapore, with many Indian nationals coming over to take up jobs here that many critics feel would otherwise go to the local talent pool.
Out of the 26 FTAs Singapore has with various countries, CECA is the one that attracts the most attention and criticism from the public.
Such a hot button issue also became of the key subject matter leading up to the 2020 General Election. Progress Singapore Party (PSP) Secretary General Dr Tan Cheng Bock said in a speech during the official party launch in 2019 that the PSP will ask the government to come up with a balance sheet for how CECA has benefitted Singapore.
“How many local jobs have gone to Indian professionals and how many Singaporeans have gone to India?” asked Dr Tan.
Though many questions have been put to the government over the years regarding the actual data pertaining to talent transfer between Singapore and India under the agreement, among other details, the government’s answers have been scarce.
In an interview with The Straits Times in August 2020, Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing addressed several “misconceptions” about the CECA. Though it was more detailed that previous clarifications from the government, it still lacked substantial details or data.
Though Mr Chan debunked the misconception that CECA grants Indian nationals unconditional access to Singapore and immigration privileges, he did reveal that when a company brings in intra-coperate transferees (ICTs), the agreement allows them to do so without having to first advertise the position to locals as part of the Fair Consideration Framework.
They do, however, have to still meet the employment pass criteria and have worked with the parent company for at least six month. Although, they transferees can stay in Singapore for a total of eight years at most.
On this point, however, Mr Chan did not get into details on just how many Indian nationals have been employed in Singapore under this agreement nor vice versa with Singaporeans in India.
Back in 2017, blogger and frequent commenter on issues in Singapore, Leong Sze Hian, had asked a question on this exact matter. Mr Leong highlighted the question raised by then-Non-constituency Member of Parliament (NCMP) Gerald Giam from Workers’ Party.
Then-Minister for Trade and Industry, Mr Lim Hng Kiang has responded in Parliament on 8 Oct 2014 that CECA has helped to create good jobs for Singaporeans. He added that CECA serves to bring conveniences to businesses by allowing temporary entry on both sides for certain categories of persons, including business visitors, professionals, and Intra-Corporate Transferees.
However, even then the exact numbers were not revealed.
Dr Joseph Teo in a letter published on TOC in September 2020 noted several “troubling statements” by Mr Chan as he ‘debunked’ of misconceptions around CECA.
Notably, Mr Chan has detailed how CECA advantages Indian nationals and companies and stressed that most of the 164 members of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) have also made commitments on entry of ICTs under the General Agreement on Trade in Services”.
However, Dr Teo then wondered why there is a need for CECA since both Singapore and India are already part of the WTO.
He stressed, “I think that the full significance and impact of this agreement needs to be communicated to Singaporeans, including the number of people admitted into Singapore under this agreement, and in which sectors they are working. Only then can Singaporeans evaluate whether such an agreement is worth supporting.”
In his interview, Mr Chan had also explained how CECA has led to an increase of Singapore companies investing in India. But does this just illustrate how the Indian economy is benefitting from investments by Singapore companies?
Dr Teo also noted, “More to the point, Singaporeans don’t necessarily believe that CECA does not benefit the Singapore economy. What Singaporeans have been trying to tell the government is that CECA does not benefit the average Singaporean economically. All the government’s justifications do not address this point.”
Following from that, WP MP for Sengkang GRC Jamus Lim, who is an economics professor, penned down several reasons why CECA offers more gains to India rather than Singapore.
This includes points that have already been debated publicly, as well as noting the fact that India’s massive population will lead to a flood of Indian nationals into Singapore, more than the other way around.
“Mr Lim pointed out that while the Government said there Singapore companies will benefit from CECA as they will get better access to the Indian market, but there is “no assurance that the net benefits of trade are to be more equally distributed”.
Unfortunately, despite countless questions by various MPs as well as calls from the public for more transparency on how CECA actually benefits the average Singaporean, answers have not been forthcoming.
Till today, the government continues to make motherhood statements on how Singapore has benefited from the CECA agreement, but nothing has been revealed in detail.
What is CECA?
CECA first came into effect in August 2005, thought the intention was first announced by then-Prime Minister Goh Chock Tong and India’s then-Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The two leaders had announced intentions to explore closer economic ties between the two nations with the aim of coming up with a comprehensive economic partnership.
Singapore fielded a 30-member negotiation team led by Heng Swee Keat, the permanent secretary for trade and industry, while India’s delegation was headed by Secretary of Commerce Dipak Chatterjee.
After 13 rounds of negotiation held in India and Singapore over the next three years, CECA was signed off in June 2005 when Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong made a state visit to India.
According to the Enterprise Singapore website, one of the key benefits of CECA is a tariff reduction of 81% for Singapore-originating exports to India including products such as food, plastics, electronics, pharmaceuticals, and mechanical appliances.
There are criteria that have to be met, of course, including that at least 35% of the product content must originate from either Singapore or India for it to qualify for the tariff reduction.
Another aspect of CECA is that it provides for lateral transfers of professionals. Basically, citizens and permanent residents of either countries are guaranteed entry and stay in the other country as business visitors, short-term service suppliers, professionals hired directly by a company in Singapore, as well as intra-corporate transferees.
The agreement is comprehensive, as the name suggests, and does cover many facets of the economic partnership between Singapore and India, from investments to e-commerce, intellectual property, education, media, and science and technology and more.
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The question of how much Singaporeans benefit from the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA), it’s free trade agreement (FTA) with India, is one that crops up often in the public sphere.
It’s a conversation that rarely lets up in Singapore as some people slam the agreement for benefitting India more than it does Singapore, with many Indian nationals coming over to take up jobs here that many critics feel would otherwise go to the local talent pool.
Out of the 26 FTAs Singapore has with various countries, CECA is the one that attracts the most attention and criticism from the public.
Such a hot button issue also became of the key subject matter leading up to the 2020 General Election. Progress Singapore Party (PSP) Secretary General Dr Tan Cheng Bock said in a speech during the official party launch in 2019 that the PSP will ask the government to come up with a balance sheet for how CECA has benefitted Singapore.
“How many local jobs have gone to Indian professionals and how many Singaporeans have gone to India?” asked Dr Tan.
Though many questions have been put to the government over the years regarding the actual data pertaining to talent transfer between Singapore and India under the agreement, among other details, the government’s answers have been scarce.
In an interview with The Straits Times in August 2020, Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing addressed several “misconceptions” about the CECA. Though it was more detailed that previous clarifications from the government, it still lacked substantial details or data.
Though Mr Chan debunked the misconception that CECA grants Indian nationals unconditional access to Singapore and immigration privileges, he did reveal that when a company brings in intra-coperate transferees (ICTs), the agreement allows them to do so without having to first advertise the position to locals as part of the Fair Consideration Framework.
They do, however, have to still meet the employment pass criteria and have worked with the parent company for at least six month. Although, they transferees can stay in Singapore for a total of eight years at most.
On this point, however, Mr Chan did not get into details on just how many Indian nationals have been employed in Singapore under this agreement nor vice versa with Singaporeans in India.
Back in 2017, blogger and frequent commenter on issues in Singapore, Leong Sze Hian, had asked a question on this exact matter. Mr Leong highlighted the question raised by then-Non-constituency Member of Parliament (NCMP) Gerald Giam from Workers’ Party.
Then-Minister for Trade and Industry, Mr Lim Hng Kiang has responded in Parliament on 8 Oct 2014 that CECA has helped to create good jobs for Singaporeans. He added that CECA serves to bring conveniences to businesses by allowing temporary entry on both sides for certain categories of persons, including business visitors, professionals, and Intra-Corporate Transferees.
However, even then the exact numbers were not revealed.
Dr Joseph Teo in a letter published on TOC in September 2020 noted several “troubling statements” by Mr Chan as he ‘debunked’ of misconceptions around CECA.
Notably, Mr Chan has detailed how CECA advantages Indian nationals and companies and stressed that most of the 164 members of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) have also made commitments on entry of ICTs under the General Agreement on Trade in Services”.
However, Dr Teo then wondered why there is a need for CECA since both Singapore and India are already part of the WTO.
He stressed, “I think that the full significance and impact of this agreement needs to be communicated to Singaporeans, including the number of people admitted into Singapore under this agreement, and in which sectors they are working. Only then can Singaporeans evaluate whether such an agreement is worth supporting.”
In his interview, Mr Chan had also explained how CECA has led to an increase of Singapore companies investing in India. But does this just illustrate how the Indian economy is benefitting from investments by Singapore companies?
Dr Teo also noted, “More to the point, Singaporeans don’t necessarily believe that CECA does not benefit the Singapore economy. What Singaporeans have been trying to tell the government is that CECA does not benefit the average Singaporean economically. All the government’s justifications do not address this point.”
Following from that, WP MP for Sengkang GRC Jamus Lim, who is an economics professor, penned down several reasons why CECA offers more gains to India rather than Singapore.
This includes points that have already been debated publicly, as well as noting the fact that India’s massive population will lead to a flood of Indian nationals into Singapore, more than the other way around.
“Mr Lim pointed out that while the Government said there Singapore companies will benefit from CECA as they will get better access to the Indian market, but there is “no assurance that the net benefits of trade are to be more equally distributed”.
Unfortunately, despite countless questions by various MPs as well as calls from the public for more transparency on how CECA actually benefits the average Singaporean, answers have not been forthcoming.
Till today, the government continues to make motherhood statements on how Singapore has benefited from the CECA agreement, but nothing has been revealed in detail.
What is CECA?
CECA first came into effect in August 2005, thought the intention was first announced by then-Prime Minister Goh Chock Tong and India’s then-Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The two leaders had announced intentions to explore closer economic ties between the two nations with the aim of coming up with a comprehensive economic partnership.
Singapore fielded a 30-member negotiation team led by Heng Swee Keat, the permanent secretary for trade and industry, while India’s delegation was headed by Secretary of Commerce Dipak Chatterjee.
After 13 rounds of negotiation held in India and Singapore over the next three years, CECA was signed off in June 2005 when Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong made a state visit to India.
According to the Enterprise Singapore website, one of the key benefits of CECA is a tariff reduction of 81% for Singapore-originating exports to India including products such as food, plastics, electronics, pharmaceuticals, and mechanical appliances.
There are criteria that have to be met, of course, including that at least 35% of the product content must originate from either Singapore or India for it to qualify for the tariff reduction.
Another aspect of CECA is that it provides for lateral transfers of professionals. Basically, citizens and permanent residents of either countries are guaranteed entry and stay in the other country as business visitors, short-term service suppliers, professionals hired directly by a company in Singapore, as well as intra-corporate transferees.
The agreement is comprehensive, as the name suggests, and does cover many facets of the economic partnership between Singapore and India, from investments to e-commerce, intellectual property, education, media, and science and technology and more.
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It doesn't benefit the ordinary Sinkies. The GLCs and MNCs benefit, alongside certain conglomerates in India e.g. Tata Group. 
Tata Consultancy Services expands Singapore centre
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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/tata-consultancy-services-expands-singapore-centre
Tata Consultancy Services expands Singapore centre
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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/tata-consultancy-services-expands-singapore-centre
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Why would a cina company use an ah neh company? They know they will get screwed. Guess only ah nehs n ang Mors will use their servicesIt doesn't benefit the ordinary Sinkies. The GLCs and MNCs benefit, alongside certain conglomerates in India e.g. Tata Group.
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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/tata-consultancy-services-expands-singapore-centre
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developers of condos
owners of condos renting out ....mostly cronies or papigs
G gets levies etc
GDP looks great
owners of condos renting out ....mostly cronies or papigs
G gets levies etc
GDP looks great
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Maybe tax collection from Chinese have been disappointing.
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Chinese? Not shocking, they made it clear to the world that they wanted everything. Might as well donate them our poop.
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Enterprise SG sees opportunities for SG firms to invest in India, thanks to CECA - The Online Citizen Asia
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14/04/2021
Reading Time: 3 mins read
The Straits Times (ST) published an article yesterday (13 Apr) saying that improving business climate in India is drawing Singaporean firms to invest in India.
In the article, ST interviewed Mr Tay Lian Chew who is the Global Markets Director for South Asia at Enterprise Singapore, a statutory board under the Trade and Industry Ministry (MTI) run by Minister Chan Chun Sing.
Tay told ST that he sees opportunities for Singapore companies to invest in sectors such as e-commerce, lifestyle, food and data analytics in India, apart from collaboration with Indian firms in manufacturing, finance and healthcare.
“Singapore companies with innovative solutions, relevant expertise and unique value propositions can capture opportunities in a few selected sectors. These include e-commerce, lifestyle and food, sustainability, smart technologies and manufacturing sectors,” he said.
He added that Enterprise Singapore has helped 40 companies tie up with Indian partners.
In the article, ST also featured Singapore e-waste management service provider Vans Chemistry, which signed an agreement with the Tamil Nadu government last October to set up an e-waste management facility and a precious metals refining project.
The investment is estimated to be between S$9 million and S$11 million, and can help create 600 jobs in Tamil Nadu.
Mr Venkatesha Murthy, the firm’s managing director, told ST, “Companies with the right technology and global experience can bring a lot to the table. Our advantage, being a Singapore-based company, is that our partners trust us to deliver on what we promise.”
According to Murthy’s Linkedin information, he has an impressive education with 3 Master’s degrees:
Indeed, Singapore firms now have easier access to the Indian market thanks to the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) signed between India and Singapore in 2005
On the government website, it said, “CECA has facilitated the increase in economic interaction between India and Singapore. Our companies’ investments into India has increased from $1.3 billion in 2005 to $48.5 billion in 2017, while India’s investments into Singapore have increased from $1.3 billion in 2005 to $20.2 billion in 2017.”
“Singapore exporters and investors benefit from the increased business opportunities through enhanced access to the Indian market: their success and expansion enable them to create more good jobs for Singaporeans. Indian investments in Singapore similarly create good jobs for Singaporeans that would otherwise have gone elsewhere,” it added.
“Since CECA was signed in 2005, the total number of local employed PMETs has grown by more than 400,000. Local PMETs have also seen their real wages grown, from 0.6%p.a. before CECA to 1.9% in 2020.”
However, under CECA, it does confer certain benefits to citizens working in each other’s country. For example, Singapore now bars intra-corporate transferees from bringing in family members to Singapore but those from India under CECA are exempted.
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Reading Time: 3 mins read
The Straits Times (ST) published an article yesterday (13 Apr) saying that improving business climate in India is drawing Singaporean firms to invest in India.
In the article, ST interviewed Mr Tay Lian Chew who is the Global Markets Director for South Asia at Enterprise Singapore, a statutory board under the Trade and Industry Ministry (MTI) run by Minister Chan Chun Sing.
Tay told ST that he sees opportunities for Singapore companies to invest in sectors such as e-commerce, lifestyle, food and data analytics in India, apart from collaboration with Indian firms in manufacturing, finance and healthcare.
“Singapore companies with innovative solutions, relevant expertise and unique value propositions can capture opportunities in a few selected sectors. These include e-commerce, lifestyle and food, sustainability, smart technologies and manufacturing sectors,” he said.
He added that Enterprise Singapore has helped 40 companies tie up with Indian partners.
In the article, ST also featured Singapore e-waste management service provider Vans Chemistry, which signed an agreement with the Tamil Nadu government last October to set up an e-waste management facility and a precious metals refining project.
The investment is estimated to be between S$9 million and S$11 million, and can help create 600 jobs in Tamil Nadu.
Mr Venkatesha Murthy, the firm’s managing director, told ST, “Companies with the right technology and global experience can bring a lot to the table. Our advantage, being a Singapore-based company, is that our partners trust us to deliver on what we promise.”
According to Murthy’s Linkedin information, he has an impressive education with 3 Master’s degrees:
- M.Tech from Karnataka Regional Engineering College (KREC) in Karnataka state of India
- M.Sc in from Manipal Institute of Technology in Karnataka state of India
- MBA from Angila Ruskin University in UK
Indeed, Singapore firms now have easier access to the Indian market thanks to the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) signed between India and Singapore in 2005
On the government website, it said, “CECA has facilitated the increase in economic interaction between India and Singapore. Our companies’ investments into India has increased from $1.3 billion in 2005 to $48.5 billion in 2017, while India’s investments into Singapore have increased from $1.3 billion in 2005 to $20.2 billion in 2017.”
“Singapore exporters and investors benefit from the increased business opportunities through enhanced access to the Indian market: their success and expansion enable them to create more good jobs for Singaporeans. Indian investments in Singapore similarly create good jobs for Singaporeans that would otherwise have gone elsewhere,” it added.
“Since CECA was signed in 2005, the total number of local employed PMETs has grown by more than 400,000. Local PMETs have also seen their real wages grown, from 0.6%p.a. before CECA to 1.9% in 2020.”
However, under CECA, it does confer certain benefits to citizens working in each other’s country. For example, Singapore now bars intra-corporate transferees from bringing in family members to Singapore but those from India under CECA are exempted.
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