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A Greek Suicide?

Leongsam

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even their stray dogs are well fed, pampered, fat and lazy.

This is what happens when a society gets used to enjoying the life of Riley using someone else's money.

When the crunch comes, they don't have a clue how to get back on their feet.

If it wasn't for the PAP, Singapore might well have ended up the same way.
 

winnipegjets

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This is what happens when a society gets used to enjoying the life of Riley using someone else's money.
When the crunch comes, they don't have a clue how to get back on their feet.
If it wasn't for the PAP, Singapore might well have ended up the same way.

Blame the bankers instead lah. What happen to their due diligence?

Greece will be up on its feet in no time once it is out of EU. In EU, Greek products can't compete against German.
 

bic_cherry

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6 years after the recession, Greece is still in dire straits. Greeks cannot stomach that any longer. If they had default 6 years back, they would be now recovery.

The lenders took the risk but are kept afloat because their governments are backing them to squeeze Greece. A fair deal is with both parties taking a 50 percent hit. Nope, the banks don't want to lose a cent and probably is unable to survive if they did.

Greece is better off getting out of EU and default. Then, it can craft its own economic journey.

Agree, Greece needs to make a clean break. Actually, it is the ECB that is being MOST IRRESPONSIBLE by printing $$$. Greece is just behaving like the cheapskate PRC neighbour who gatecrash a party uninvited, but ECB cannot punish Greece much because Greece knows that the ECB is dishonest to print Euros in the first place.
The Euro is like a very bad marriage that shouldn't have occurred in the first place, the longer it takes for the Euro to break-up, the worst economic situation the Euro countries will sink into.

Even the european union is under pressure now with the influx of middle east refugees whom as I read, often end up in European ghettos and then either fly back to middle East to join ISIS or else perpetuate terrorist 'jihad' on European soil.

European union (EU) plus €urozone was too ambitious a leap. It is perhaps not too late to slow down or reverse a bit to improve upon the european union concept before a common currency (Euro) is even considered. Would be painful in the short term, but that is the only way to stop a massive train wreck... As part of stabilisation reform, I think the Euro currency needs to be dialed back if not slowly scrapped (kiv reintroduced only when the european union is really deemed stable enough).

And the growth of poverty ghettos in Europe, that seed of cancer will be the downfall of Europe, and needs to be worked upon if another Nazi like train wreck is to be avoided...
 
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bic_cherry

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I abhor borrowers who do not keep their promise: what a gall to 1 2 re negotiate after money taken!
To pay off they must now send shiploads of chio bu here to satisfy hungry jacks here
What is happening in Europe wrt € is just a soap opera where a pick-pocket (Greece) is trying to pick the pocket of the Mafia chief (ECB). ECB is the biggest organised criminal of all (as is the USA FED): printing $$$ and destroying all faith in $$$ (a basic exchange function/ structure of society).

It is actually these central banks that are authoring the real train wreck,Greece is just a small time criminal out to grab as much lose change as is possible whilst a massive armed gang robbery by ECB et al. is going on.
 
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garlic

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Whether Grexit happens or not, value of Euros will suffer and equities seems already priced in Greek default, if it happens. GDP of Greece is relatively small, even Peesai's GDP is larger article is right on Greek PM's overestimating their influence on ECB.. Of more relevance to us is the fed's int rate...
 

eatshitndie

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looks like wall street today is resigned to greece saying no and fed raising interest rate in coming months. all major indices are green. :o
 

MaximiLian

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The headlines are getting grimmer by the day. Simi suicide, graveyard, ahmageddon....
If no bailout, I chop!
 

dancingshoes

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Meanwhile, Greece Is Quietly Printing Billions Of Euros

Earlier today we showed why Greece is now literally living on borrowed time. The combined €2.9 billion in ELA cap increases ‘generously’ bestowed upon the flailing Greek banking sector by the ECB last week looks to have been barely enough to keep things from “ending very differently” (to quote Kathimerini) at the ATMs on Friday.

But perhaps more importantly from a big picture perspective, Greece may have already breached the upper limit of its borrowing base. JPM calculates Greek banks’ eligible collateral at €121 billion (€38 billion in EFSF bonds €8 billion in government securities, and €75 billion in “credit claims”). With Friday’s ELA increase, the country’s total borrowings (that’s OMO plus ELA) amount to some €125 bilion. Why would the ECB allow this? Because it knows the breach will be promptly limited or reversed on Monday, or there will be a deal.

So, it is literally “deal or no deal” time, because if JPM is correct and eligible collateral was either exhausted two weeks ago or, in the best case scenario, is right at the limit, capital controls will need to be put in place as early as Tuesday at which point the ATMs will officially stop dispensing freshly-minted euros which, incidentally, brings up an important point. As Barclays notes, during the same period over which Greek banks lost nearly €30 billion in deposits, banknotes in circulation jumped by some €13 billion. In short, because Greeks are increasingly prone to stuffing their euros in mattresses, a large proportion of the deposit flight has come in the form of hard currency withdrawals, meaning the Bank of Greece is forced to (literally) print billions in physical banknotes:



But hard currency printed in excess of NCB quotas (set by the ECB) represents a liability to the rest of Eurosystem and so must be added to Greece’s negative TARGET2 balance to determine the EMU’s total exposure to Greece:



Of course, given Germany’s massive TARGET2 credit with the ECB, a liability to the Eurosystem is, for all intents and purposes, a liability to Germany:



So we can add the quiet printing of some €13 billion in banknotes to the list of reasons why German FinMin Wolfgang Schaeuble, a growing number of German MPs, and, increasingly, the German people have run completely out of patience with Athens.

As for all the Athenians who have recently tapped the ATMs, check your euros. If the serial number starts with a "Y" that means it was printed by the Bank of Greece and you should probably hang on to it because you might soon be able to sell it at a premium to a museum.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-20/meanwhile-greece-quietly-printing-billions-euros
 
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dancingshoes

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GREECE: Speculation is now turning to how much eligible collateral remains for
Greek banks after the ECB last approved its increase in Emergency Liquidity
Assistance (ELA), which some traders say is less than E6bln. The ELA ceiling was
increased to almost E86bn last week and today's increase of E1.3bln is said to
further reduced the buffer of unpledged collateral available to Greek banks --
implying that if the run on Greek bank escalates, there might not be enough
liquidity and collateral by the end of the week. In the event Greek banks become
insolvent, the ECB will be forced to pull its ELA funding, which in turn implies
a 'de facto Grexit', despite ongoing talks at the political level.
 
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