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3-year suspension for Susan Lim, rules SMC
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She's setting the benchmark many docs trying to match by selling cough syrup and other goodies
Good luck to those docs trying to make millions selling cough syrups. The big money is in those surgeries.
TEDxSingapore - Susan Lim - Hype and hope of stem cell research
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SHE SAID: He wanted to 'go steady' with me
HE SAID: I never dated or tried to date her
By Salma Khalik , HEALTH CORRESPONDENT
THE doctor who heads the Singapore Medical Council's second disciplinary committee that is supposed to hear a case against surgeon Susan Lim has denied ever trying to woo her.
Professor Tan Ser Kiat said that he had merely been to her home 30 years ago for a party which was also attended by others, and he had 'never dated nor tried to date' her after that 'ordinary social occasion'.
There was also no awkwardness between them since, either socially or as fellow medical professionals, said Prof Tan, chief executive of the SingHealth Group.
In a letter to Dr Lim's lawyers dated Feb 17 this year, he said that there had been other 'fundamental factual inaccuracies' in the lawyers' remarks about her dealings with him.
He added that he had no interest in the disciplinary proceedings against her, other than ensuring that he discharged his role of chairman fairly and in accordance with the law.
Dr Lim has sought a judicial review of the SMC's case against her, and High Court Judge Philip Pillai reserved judgment on Monday.
The matter concerns a $24.8 million bill she charged for tending to Pengiran Anak Hajah Damit, the sister of Brunei's queen, between January and July 2007. The patient died in August.
Following inquiries by Brunei's Health Ministry about the size of the bill, the Singapore Health Ministry filed a complaint to the SMC, which set up a disciplinary committee to hear the matter last year.
The hearing stopped after Dr Lim's lawyers accused the committee of pre-judging the case. The SMC then set up a second committee to hear the case, headed by Prof Tan.
She objected to his appointment in a sworn document dated Feb 14, which has been submitted to the courts, claiming it would lead to conflicts of interest that may taint or appear to taint proceedings.
Among other things, her lawyers claimed that around 1980 and 1982, Prof Tan had been 'an admirer' of Dr Lim's and expressed interest in her while she was a junior doctor at Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
He allegedly met her and her parents at their family home and sent flowers in advance of his visit. There, he danced with Dr Lim 'late into the night' in the presence of her mother.
He then allegedly invited Dr Lim out on a dinner date and asked if they could 'go steady', but Dr Lim said she was not interested as she felt they were incompatible. Dr Lim's lawyers alleged that the rejection abruptly ended their friendship, and interaction between the two of them had been awkward since.
Yesterday, WongPartnership, the law firm acting for the SMC, gave The Straits Times a copy of Prof Tan's reply to Dr Lim's lawyers, which has also been submitted to the High Court.
In his letter, Prof Tan said that what was said about him wooing her was 'not true'.
He said he only knew Dr Lim 'casually as a fellow doctor' working at SGH in the early 1980s.
He wrote: 'On one occasion, your client invited me, together with a number of other doctors from the public and private sector, to her home for a large party - possibly a birthday celebration.
'This was nothing more than an ordinary social occasion. I have never dated nor tried to date your client, whether before or after this social occasion.'
He said there has never been any awkwardness since. 'We continue to meet on social occasions once or twice a year. We have always interacted with each other without awkwardness as fellow medical professionals.'
He also addressed other areas of possible conflict that Dr Lim's lawyers raised.
They had said that both doctors had competed for the same unit at Gleneagles Hospital in 1997, which she later obtained.
Prof Tan said he had first call on the unit, but had given it up because he decided not to go into private practice. 'Having changed my mind about leaving the public sector, I had no need for the unit. I spoke to your client and we agreed that she should have it. It was entirely amicable. I harbour no resentment.'
Her lawyers had also argued that as the Singapore Health Ministry is the complainant against Dr Lim, there is conflict as Prof Tan's position as head of a public health-care cluster means he answers to the ministry.
'That is not true,' he said. 'I do not answer to the ministry. I answer to the chairman of the board of Singapore Health Pte Ltd. I am not a member of the staff of the ministry. I am not employed by the ministry in any other capacity. I do not participate in any decision-making by the ministry.'
He added that although he was a director of Ministry of Health Holdings Pte Ltd, that had to do only with policy decisions regarding the running of restructured hospitals.
He also dismissed the contention that he would be biased against her on the grounds that SGH, which is under his purview, had provided Brunei's Ministry of Health with consultancy services between October 2006 and July 2008.
Dr Lim's lawyers had also objected to Prof Tan's position as a council member of the SMC. This means he was part of the group of people that received an e-mail asking if they had objections to revoking the first disciplinary committee and to setting up a new one to continue the hearing against her.
Prof Tan's reply: 'That e-mail was sent to all members of the SMC. I did not participate in any way in the decision to continue disciplinary proceedings against your client.'
In court on Monday, Senior Counsel Alvin Yeo, for the SMC, described Dr Lim's claims as a 'flimsy attempt' to suggest bias on the part of a member of the second disciplinary committee (DC).
He said: 'Dr Lim has belatedly sought to raise ridiculous assertions of some purported personal or professional conflict of interest against the chairman of the second DC. The chairman of the second DC has addressed these assertions in full.'
HE SAID: I never dated or tried to date her
By Salma Khalik , HEALTH CORRESPONDENT
THE doctor who heads the Singapore Medical Council's second disciplinary committee that is supposed to hear a case against surgeon Susan Lim has denied ever trying to woo her.
Professor Tan Ser Kiat said that he had merely been to her home 30 years ago for a party which was also attended by others, and he had 'never dated nor tried to date' her after that 'ordinary social occasion'.
There was also no awkwardness between them since, either socially or as fellow medical professionals, said Prof Tan, chief executive of the SingHealth Group.
In a letter to Dr Lim's lawyers dated Feb 17 this year, he said that there had been other 'fundamental factual inaccuracies' in the lawyers' remarks about her dealings with him.
He added that he had no interest in the disciplinary proceedings against her, other than ensuring that he discharged his role of chairman fairly and in accordance with the law.
Dr Lim has sought a judicial review of the SMC's case against her, and High Court Judge Philip Pillai reserved judgment on Monday.
The matter concerns a $24.8 million bill she charged for tending to Pengiran Anak Hajah Damit, the sister of Brunei's queen, between January and July 2007. The patient died in August.
Following inquiries by Brunei's Health Ministry about the size of the bill, the Singapore Health Ministry filed a complaint to the SMC, which set up a disciplinary committee to hear the matter last year.
The hearing stopped after Dr Lim's lawyers accused the committee of pre-judging the case. The SMC then set up a second committee to hear the case, headed by Prof Tan.
She objected to his appointment in a sworn document dated Feb 14, which has been submitted to the courts, claiming it would lead to conflicts of interest that may taint or appear to taint proceedings.
Among other things, her lawyers claimed that around 1980 and 1982, Prof Tan had been 'an admirer' of Dr Lim's and expressed interest in her while she was a junior doctor at Singapore General Hospital (SGH).
He allegedly met her and her parents at their family home and sent flowers in advance of his visit. There, he danced with Dr Lim 'late into the night' in the presence of her mother.
He then allegedly invited Dr Lim out on a dinner date and asked if they could 'go steady', but Dr Lim said she was not interested as she felt they were incompatible. Dr Lim's lawyers alleged that the rejection abruptly ended their friendship, and interaction between the two of them had been awkward since.
Yesterday, WongPartnership, the law firm acting for the SMC, gave The Straits Times a copy of Prof Tan's reply to Dr Lim's lawyers, which has also been submitted to the High Court.
In his letter, Prof Tan said that what was said about him wooing her was 'not true'.
He said he only knew Dr Lim 'casually as a fellow doctor' working at SGH in the early 1980s.
He wrote: 'On one occasion, your client invited me, together with a number of other doctors from the public and private sector, to her home for a large party - possibly a birthday celebration.
'This was nothing more than an ordinary social occasion. I have never dated nor tried to date your client, whether before or after this social occasion.'
He said there has never been any awkwardness since. 'We continue to meet on social occasions once or twice a year. We have always interacted with each other without awkwardness as fellow medical professionals.'
He also addressed other areas of possible conflict that Dr Lim's lawyers raised.
They had said that both doctors had competed for the same unit at Gleneagles Hospital in 1997, which she later obtained.
Prof Tan said he had first call on the unit, but had given it up because he decided not to go into private practice. 'Having changed my mind about leaving the public sector, I had no need for the unit. I spoke to your client and we agreed that she should have it. It was entirely amicable. I harbour no resentment.'
Her lawyers had also argued that as the Singapore Health Ministry is the complainant against Dr Lim, there is conflict as Prof Tan's position as head of a public health-care cluster means he answers to the ministry.
'That is not true,' he said. 'I do not answer to the ministry. I answer to the chairman of the board of Singapore Health Pte Ltd. I am not a member of the staff of the ministry. I am not employed by the ministry in any other capacity. I do not participate in any decision-making by the ministry.'
He added that although he was a director of Ministry of Health Holdings Pte Ltd, that had to do only with policy decisions regarding the running of restructured hospitals.
He also dismissed the contention that he would be biased against her on the grounds that SGH, which is under his purview, had provided Brunei's Ministry of Health with consultancy services between October 2006 and July 2008.
Dr Lim's lawyers had also objected to Prof Tan's position as a council member of the SMC. This means he was part of the group of people that received an e-mail asking if they had objections to revoking the first disciplinary committee and to setting up a new one to continue the hearing against her.
Prof Tan's reply: 'That e-mail was sent to all members of the SMC. I did not participate in any way in the decision to continue disciplinary proceedings against your client.'
In court on Monday, Senior Counsel Alvin Yeo, for the SMC, described Dr Lim's claims as a 'flimsy attempt' to suggest bias on the part of a member of the second disciplinary committee (DC).
He said: 'Dr Lim has belatedly sought to raise ridiculous assertions of some purported personal or professional conflict of interest against the chairman of the second DC. The chairman of the second DC has addressed these assertions in full.'
Quite a few. Mostly in plastic surgery and one in ophthalmology. But they are lower profile type, only thing obvious is their fleet of cars and size of their gardens.
$25 million for one patient over 7 months?
$25million over 7 months, yes.
Probably over 100-200 patients... definitely not one. Some of my friends even operate on Saturdays and Sundays.... its like their hobby
You see, this is the key difference. She charged ONE patient $25 million over 7 months. And irony is that patient died!
The patient is member of the Bruneian royal family. Had basically given her a blank cheque to fill in the figure.
The problem is, the patient died. Otherwise, they will happily pay.
The money does not include other kickbacks and "performance incentives" that doctors get paid for by pharmaceutical companies for peddling their drugs...
Google "pharmaceutical companies kickbacks". The doctors actually get paid for hitting sales quotas of certain drugs.
Google "pharmaceutical companies kickbacks". The doctors actually get paid for hitting sales quotas of certain drugs.
The relationship between remuneration levels and performance are tenuous at best.
stupid doctor, never do homework & read 100 rich list, if she did she'll know brunei royals are not that rich anymore! she could have charged less & still got away with a tidy sum 
rich people dun mind paying over the odds for atas service but when u start to cheat them, they get angry & fuck u jialat jialat like in this case, reputation gone liao, she'll have to go back to serving regular patients if she's lucky!
rich people dun mind paying over the odds for atas service but when u start to cheat them, they get angry & fuck u jialat jialat like in this case, reputation gone liao, she'll have to go back to serving regular patients if she's lucky!For the horseface surgeon to dig out old stories is downright pathetic.
On hindsight she should have billed weekly or monthly
The suspension may hurt her career but a $10,000 fine is pathetic given the fraud involved millions of dollars.
I hope they raise the fine and extend her suspension after her appeal.
I hope they raise the fine and extend her suspension after her appeal.
Susan Lim appeal against SMC decision: Focus is how much doctors should charge
Published on Jan 15, 2013
General surgeon Susan Lim is appealing against an SMC disciplinary committee's guilty verdict for professional misconduct over the amount she had charged a royal patient from Brunei. -- PHOTO: ARTHUR LEE CH
By Salma Khalik
How much a doctor can and should charge was a key issue when the high-profile case of Susan Lim and the Singapore Medical Council (SMC) came up before the Court of Appeal on Tuesday morning.
She is appealing against an SMC disciplinary committee's guilty verdict for professional misconduct over the amount she had charged a royal patient from Brunei.
The cost of about half a year's care totalled $24 million before she halved it to $12.1 million with a discount. SMC handed her a three-year suspension and $10,000 fine.
Dr Lim's lawyer, Senior Counsel Lee Eng Beng, said SMC's finding was "a grotesque breach of the principles of fairness and natural justice".
Get the full story from The Straits Times.
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