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154th: Sporns Support $1B Church Woh!

makapaaa

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Church raises $178m for lifestyle hub
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Mr Matthew Kang, one of the directors of Rock Productions, with a model of the integrated civic, cultural, retail and entertainment hub to be built in Buona Vista. -- ST PHOTO: LAU FOOK KONG
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The business arm of the New Creation Church said it has raised about a third of the $500 million it needs to build a cultural and entertainment complex in Buona Vista.
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Rock Productions was set up in 1998 to manage New Creation Church's investments.

In 1999, it started leasing the Rock Auditorium in Suntec City to hold church services. It also rents out the space to those interested in using it.


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Rock Productions told The Sunday Times its $178 million came from church surpluses and donations from church members.
The complex marks the biggest commercial venture for Rock Productions, which also owns Marine Cove. It paid $10 million for the recreational and restaurant cluster at East Coast Park in 2001.
Asked why the church is going into property development, Mr Matthew Kang, one of the five Rock directors, said: 'When we receive tithes and offerings, we have to do something with the money. We can't put it under the pillow.
'We have people advising us it's viable to do this. The risk is not high and property is a good hedge against inflation.'
The other two-thirds of the $500 million will come from projected surpluses, donations from its congregation and leasing of equipment such as audio equipment.
Mr Kang said New Creation Church, led by senior pastor Joseph Prince, has an average surplus of about $30 million a year.
It netted an income of $55.4 million from April last year to March this year, of which over 95 per cent came from tithes and offerings from 17,000 church members.
On Monday , Rock said it will up its investment in the complex from $280 million to $499.5 million.
It is partnering property giant CapitaLand to build the close to $1 billion project, envisioned as a futuristic complex with restaurants, shops and a 5,000-seat theatre.
CapitaLand will own and manage the retail and entertainment zone, slated to be completed by end-2011. Rock will own and manage the civic and cultural zone, expected to be up by mid-2012.
The star of the civic and cultural zone is the 5,000-seat theatre which the church will use for Sunday services. It will also be rented out for events such as concerts and conferences, said Mr Kang.
The sharp rise in construction cost is one reason Rock is pumping in more money. It is also increasing the gross floor area from 30,000 sq m to 38,000 sq m. While the hefty investment has raised eyebrows - some question if the money could be put to charitable uses instead - New Creation said it has not stopped giving.
It gave $581,500 from April last year to March this year to groups and charities such as The Straits Times School Pocket Money Fund and Yayasan Mendaki.
Founded in 1984 by young believers, the independent, non-denominational church grew from a group of 25 to about 150 by 1990, to 17,000 today.
New Creation Church is not the only church involved in business.
For example, in 2002, the Methodist Church was reported to have leased a 173,800 sq ft piece of land in Mount Sophia to Centrepoint Properties for $50 million.
In 2003, Seventh-Day Adventist Church was reported to have sold a 13-storey condo in Irrawady Road for an estimated $21 million.
Besides Mr Kang, the other four Rock directors are senior pastor Prince, pastor Joshua Lee, general manager of the church Jeannie Yeo and investment banker Yong Chee Ram.
Mr Kang said none of the directors is paid. 'We don't receive director fees, salaries and bonuses.'
He added that all Rock shares belong to New Creation Church and are held in trust by senior pastor Prince, pastor Lee, Ms Yeo and himself.
The church was in the news 11/2 weeks ago when the Commissioner of Charities released the results of its first review of seven major religious groups here.
The others are Campus Crusade Asia, City Harvest Church, Faith Community Baptist Church, Kong Meng San Phor Kark See Monastery, Kwan Im Thong Hood Cho Temple and Trinity Christian Centre.
The review found that they 'generally' have proper systems and processes and 'largely' comply with regulatory requirements.
But improvements are needed in areas such as having proper procedures when it comes to giving loans and preventing conflicts of interest. Without naming specific groups, the Commissioner said some loans were given to 'related parties' without documented approvals by their boards.
The New Creation Church has said it does not give loans to its subsidiaries. Regarding its Buona Vista project, several church-goers interviewed said they support the move.
Former national swimmer Joscelin Yeo, 29, who now works in the youth ministry at New Creation Church, said: 'I think the new building is great and a blessing as our church is growing and we need a bigger space.'
Currently, it runs four English-language services on Sundays at the 1,400-seat Rock Auditorium and several 'overflow rooms' in various parts of Suntec City where a real-time broadcast of the service is shown on TV.
People say they queue for hours to get a seat in the auditorium. It also offers Mandarin, Hokkien and Korean services.
Mr Darryl David, 38, a media consultant-presenter, said some people think the Buona Vista project is 'a radical way to grow your funds. I donate because I believe this money goes towards God's work. I'm comfortable with it taking many forms'.
Mr Ho Eng Joo, executive director of investment sales for property consultant Colliers International, said Buona Vista is an up-and-coming area.
'They've scientific research centre Biopolis and media hub Fusionopolis. While the area is not fully developed, it will eventually attract a lot of people,' he said.
Church-goer Jong Hee Sen, 48, president and executive director of medical firm Healthway Medical, also gave the thumbs up.
In his opinion, renting large spaces to hold services would cost more than building one's own premises.
'Another church-goer, magazine editor Coleen Leong, 38, said: 'If that's going to stretch the money more compared to putting it in the bank, then by all means build it.'
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NoOnEsAwMe

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thats the power of religions ...

such extravagance.

what a pity.

could have helped so many poor people with that kind of money.

and these shallow "christians" used it to build a massive cold "church".

more like a church to the "money god" instead of God Himself.

they would not recognize the Devil himself if he appeared to them in false splendor.
 

drifter

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such extravagance.

what a pity.

could have helped so many poor people with that kind of money.

and these shallow "christians" used it to build a massive cold "church".

more like a church to the "money god" instead of God Himself.

they would not recognize the Devil himself if he appeared to them in false splendor.


:biggrin: . agreed . Religion is the source of all imaginable follies and disturbances, it is the parent of fanaticism and civil discore, it is the enemy of mankind.
Isn't it crazy with all these church scandals?
I'm beginning to understand how all those Bibles ended up in hotel rooms.:wink:
 

makapaaa

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such extravagance.

what a pity.

could have helped so many poor people with that kind of money.

and these shallow "christians" used it to build a massive cold "church".

more like a church to the "money god" instead of God Himself.

they would not recognize the Devil himself if he appeared to them in false splendor.

These are basic questions any decent journalist should be asking. Instead the 154th finds that it owes the Familee to psycho Sporns to accept leegalized corruption as healthy and beneficial. Have never seen a more fascist cuntry like Peesai! Even Nazi Germany pales in comparison.
 

kakowi

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In the above post from makapaaa, it was reported that Mr Matthew Kang said, "He added that all Rock shares belong to New Creation Church and are held in trust by senior pastor Prince, pastor Lee, Ms Yeo and himself."

It has a good sentence structure.


Some points:

(1) In this article Mr Matthew Kang, Mr Joseph Prince, Mr Joshua Lee, Ms Yeo are reported to be directors.
But an earlier article (see http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=4388 post #1, last paragraph) reported they are shareholders.

This contradiction in the two articles is highly significant.
Shareholders are different from Directors.

And why the contradiction? Gauging by the content of this current article, it is an attempt to boost the confidence of the public and contributing members of NCC.


(2) Assume that this later article is correct and Joseph Prince holds the money in trust for the NCC.
The question then is "Who are the shareholders of New Creation Church (NCC)"

Specifically, if Joseph Prince is a shareholder of NCC?
It makes no sense if a person holds the money in trust for himself.


(3) The effect of passing money from NCC where they are shareholders to Rock Productions where they are directors holding money in trust for NCC, simply means that there is less accountability in the use of money.

Why?
Because NCC is under the Charities Act and thus under the Commissioner of Charities oversight.

Rock Productions is not.

Thus once the money is passed, there is no longer any oversight from the Government.

To understand the implication of this, consider what would be the situation if money flows out of NKF into a private company owned by TT Durai. What do you think would be the governance issues here? Certainly it is better for the money to remain within the Charities Act where it is subjected to the Commissioner of Charities' oversight.


(4) If Joseph Prince, Matthew Kang, etc are really serious about holding the money in trust for the NCC contributors, then they should consider a foundation governed by a Board of Trustees.

Instead of putting the money into a private company where they, as directors, have full control of the money away from the Commissioner of Charities' oversight.
This point is repeated many times because it represents a major loophole in the entire process.


(5) There are a few minor points in this article:
(a) the reporter interviewed only a couple of NCC churchgoers. Perhaps the reporting is a bit limited;

(b) the amount of money donated by NCC to social concerns is only about 1% of total revenue. But based on their high profile donations, eg to NKF in the days when many wants to rub shoulders with TT Durai, they get good mileage for the dollar;

(c) other churches, if they do get into business, have good governance structures. The pastors of these other churches do not float a private company and put the business earnings into this private company.

The Commissioner of Charities, on a fair basis, should now consider granting such privileges to all charities. It is not about loans. It is about passing money out of the charity into a private company.

This post represents my concluding comments on the NCC matter.
 
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monster.cookie

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How many times must money be lost through this unaccountable charity acts before people learn?

But at the end of the day, if they feel that their donations is going to a greater good and will buy them a ticket to a better world next life, who are we to call them dumb?
Just have to give it to the people running the show. Kudos to them for fighting for a better life in this existence.

Even celebrities are jumping onto the bandwagon starting up one foundation after another, seeking the charitable dollar. Imagine such funds set up in countries with even less regulatory laws, you will be a billionaire faster than the makers of youtube.
 

jw5

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How many times must money be lost through this unaccountable charity acts before people learn?

But at the end of the day, if they feel that their donations is going to a greater good and will buy them a ticket to a better world next life, who are we to call them dumb?
Just have to give it to the people running the show. Kudos to them for fighting for a better life in this existence.

Even celebrities are jumping onto the bandwagon starting up one foundation after another, seeking the charitable dollar. Imagine such funds set up in countries with even less regulatory laws, you will be a billionaire faster than the makers of youtube.
I hope God approves.
 

samurai1110

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How many times must money be lost through this unaccountable charity acts before people learn?

But at the end of the day, if they feel that their donations is going to a greater good and will buy them a ticket to a better world next life, who are we to call them dumb?
Just have to give it to the people running the show. Kudos to them for fighting for a better life in this existence.

Even celebrities are jumping onto the bandwagon starting up one foundation after another, seeking the charitable dollar. Imagine such funds set up in countries with even less regulatory laws, you will be a billionaire faster than the makers of youtube.

Moral of the story: Don't make your $$$ the hard way when a lot of fools will willingly give to u in name of Faith & Charity!:(
 
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