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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->HOW do you - in PM Lee Hsien Loong's words - 'make the differentiation between citizens and PRs sharper over time to reflect the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship'?
That is an exercise which every ministry is now engaged in, as it reviews its suite of programmes, services, charges and fees, according to Community Development, Youth and Sports Minister Vivian Balakrishnan.
The challenge confronting the policymakers is: How do you favour the citizens without discouraging the PRs? After all, PRs contribute to the economy and pay taxes. If they feel unfairly treated, they will seek greener pastures.
When Insight canvassed for suggestions, one prevalent view was that distinctions should be made clearer in areas of public housing, health care and education.
Mr Philip Ng, 60, argues that PRs should hold their blue IC for a certain period of time, say two years, before they are allowed to buy an HDB resale flat. This would ensure that only those who are committed to sinking their roots here avail themselves of public housing, says the director of a relocation consultancy.
To MP and trade unionist Josephine Teo, any changes should be made on the basis of 'citizens get more', rather than 'PRs get less'.
She suggests that the grant for Singaporeans buying HDB flats for the first time could perhaps be raised.
This is because while PRs do not qualify for housing subsidies, their growing numbers have made Singaporeans feel the need to compete with them in the resale market.
Mrs Teo, who chairs the Government Parliamentary Committee for Education, also feels citizens should have more priority in primary school admission. Currently, they have the same priority as PRs, although they enjoy subsidies that PRs do not receive - such as Edusave accounts.
According to Dr Leong Chan Hoong of the Institute of Policy Studies, a more convincing way to show that Singaporeans come first is to impose a quota on the proportion of PRs entering local tertiary institutions.
'PRs pay just 10 per cent more than citizens for university tuition fees and yet National Service is not mandatory for this category of young residents,' he says.
As PRs now comprise 14 per cent of the resident population, a quota of 10 per cent for PRs would result in comparatively more educational opportunities going to citizens, he notes.
Singapore Management University sociologist Chung Wai Keung makes the case for more restrictions on the eligibility criteria for permanent residency and citizenship. He says that foreigners who are keen to live here and take up citizenship should be required to work here for a longer period of time before their applications are considered.
'This way, we will have applicants who know Singapore better and may have already integrated better into society. A longer waiting period can also help to sort out those who are more serious in considering staying here for good,' he says.
Logistics manager Teo Kueh Liang, 53, suggests that PRs be given a timeframe of say, five years, to decide whether they want to take up citizenship, failing which their status would not be renewed.
Overseas Singaporean Danny Ong, 29, is of the view that distinctions between citizens and PRs in Singapore could be packaged differently. He thinks citizens may not be aware that PRs do not share their benefits and privileges, which is not always the case elsewhere.
In his view, privileges could also be made more tangible in the form of citizens-only rebates rather than just direct subsidies for education and health care. When citizens see the value of these items, they may be more appreciative.
Striking a cautionary note, Mrs Teo says that the review should not go overboard and result in making PRs feel unwelcome. 'That would not be helpful to assimilation and social harmony, and if the extent to which they are integrated lessens, we will all be the poorer for it.'
ZAKIR HUSSAIN



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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>6:06 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (2 of 7) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>23269.2 in reply to 23269.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>> The challenge confronting the policymakers is: How do you favour the citizens without discouraging the PRs? After all, PRs contribute to the economy and pay taxes. If they feel unfairly treated, they will seek greener pastures.
The bloody PAP policy makers are completely out of sync with the ground. In the first place, why make such a big fuss to cater to PRs? Are PRs your voting citizens?
When a foreigner decides to come to SG to work in the first place, do you think it's the benefits of PR they think of first? NO! They come here thinking of the strong S$ relative to their 3rd world income. That's why if you notice, it's mostly the 3rd world people who want to come to Singapore. 1st world angmos hardly think of coming here in the first place unless they married a SPG and "bohbian" got to listen to wife to stay in SG....
Next, an FT will automatically clamour for PR even with zero benefits. Why? Cause they don't want to run the risk of being kicked back to their home countries when they are out of work. Being a PR, even if they are out of job, they can hang around to look for new jobs without any inhibition.
So, PAP bodohs don't even have to worry about losing FT/PRs if benefits are lousy to them. You would only lose them if S$ plummets.
So to answer the questions posed by 151st:
> How do you favour the citizens without discouraging the PRs?
There is no need to worry. They are able to come here to earn in strong S$ they are oready very happy. Cause they will always compare with their cuntrymen back home, not with sinkies here. They earn say, S$3K is oready RMB15K or Rs100,000. Average exec job is only RMB3-4K or Rs10K back in their home cuntries.
> After all, PRs contribute to the economy and pay taxes.
So are FTs with no PRs. They don't think this way. They are in fact even more worried that they will be kicked out of Singapore.
> If they feel unfairly treated, they will seek greener pastures.
With or without any unfair treatment, they will always be seeking greener pastures. It's becuase they can't get to 1st world cuntries for various reasons, they settle here. Stupid PAP!



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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>8:28 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>Cloyn <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(4 of 7) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>23269.4 in reply to 23269.3 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>"Striking a cautionary note, Mrs Teo says that the review should not go overboard and result in making PRs feel unwelcome"
BITCH! I hope your husband gets a new PR girlfriend and not visit your vagina ever!
Good point! Many PRC MM wants to stay longer in Singapore. They'll do anything to be able to stay here....


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