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Opposition Party - Lack of Mkting skills/Beneficial Policies/Talent?

kingrant

Alfrescian
Loyal
Let me put it this way, and see if you can convince yr friends.

Before the PAP embarked on its liberal immig policy, and caused untold misery to Singaporeans, did it consult your friends' constituents? Do you think it was done for yr constituency's interests only or for Singapore as a whole? So was it a national policy or was it a local Town Councillor's idea?

Did it conduct a feedback poll on its policies? Or it is only now saying they are aware of the problems and are going to tweak about it?

When HDB flats were rising in prices, did you feel that it was in other people's constituency that this is happening, or was it across the board all over in S'pore?

When you lost yr job, do you think it was the local MP who could revise the policy or rules for you to find a job, or do you think no other than the PM and his cabinet can do the job?

Do you seriously think that the govt can deny essential services, postal services, social services, policing services, infrastructural support such as roads maint, street lighting, that are provided by public services to Opp wards because they voted for the Opp? Yes, they can ask HDB to give lower priority but they cannot totally deny them. Don't you think that if more and more wards become Opp, the PAP govt wont sit up and start changing their attitudes?

When you vote for the Opp, you are thinking beyond yr own constituency for the national interests. There are many basic things that any govt has to perform and these are called governance issues, and I dont think any Opp has said they are not going to perform them if they are the govt. So are you going to vote on national policies that you disagree with or are you really just voting for the next HDB upgrade which will come to you anyway except later?


Yesterday I ask a friend whether he knows that the opposition will be contesting against MBT. He said, "I'll vote for PAP, it's not my problem".
 

cass888

Alfrescian
Loyal
PR is a terrible system, leading so often to minority and coalition governments. Plurality system creates more stability.


Proportional representation will fully represent the peoples political will ( percentage of votes = percentage of seats )

plurality voting systems will result in disproportional seat distribution while Plurality with PR will result in a more balanced election system.

and yes, PAP wasted 49% votes back then when Ling and Cheo won. That's why you must give peoples a second vote for favored political party and ideally proportional representation system minimum voting threshold must be a low as possible so that all political parties can share the seats ( no wasted votes again )

and you really can't compare elections to football.

even if one day our oppositions manage to take control of parliament through plurality systems. I still like to see Plurality + PR for our election system. I support this system, not that it gave our oppositions more seats.
 

Sideswipe

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
PR is a terrible system, leading so often to minority and coalition governments. Plurality system creates more stability.

Plurality system allow successful electoral boundaries gerrymandering which PAP have done so successfully over the years. But if WP is the govt, they will do gerrymandering too.

why Plurality + PR is the best.
You like PAP to take care of your constituency, HDB flats but want oppositions MPs for check and balances in govt. You give your constituency vote to PAP and party vote to your favored opposition party.
You support WP but like your PAP MP. you do the reserve from the above.

It's all about giving peasants more choices and minority voices to be represented in parliament.

If we had a second vote, everybody in Singapore would get to vote.

but it's quite futile talking about other countries election methods and compare it to Singapore. We have a one level system of govt here, lawmakers shouldn't run the town councils by right. There are no local elections. National and Local issues all got mixed up together.
 

jw5

Moderator
Moderator
Loyal
Bro Kingrant
For the last 50 years, they have never considered consulting an ordinary singaporean for advice, even on matters that affect only the ordinary singaporeans and not the elites. A referendum is out of the question.
Once someone makes the decision, it's all systems go. Sometimes, as in the case of foreigners swarming our shores, it's done out of proportion in their efforts to please.
 

kingrant

Alfrescian
Loyal
Yes. This is because whenever the percent win at the GE is high, OLd Man never failed to claim that that is the resounding mandate for them to rule with a firm hand without anymore consulting. Therefore all the injustices of the past 5 years are justified. They will also feel vindicated to dispense some more bitter medicine for the next 5 years ( e.g. GST increases, extend CPF retirement age, public order laws to prevent asemblies and processions etc)

So be careful, don't get lulled and sweet-talked by their promises of HDB uplifting. It's only a guise to take you to the cleaners.



Bro Kingrant
For the last 50 years, they have never considered consulting an ordinary singaporean for advice, even on matters that affect only the ordinary singaporeans and not the elites. A referendum is out of the question.
Once someone makes the decision, it's all systems go. Sometimes, as in the case of foreigners swarming our shores, it's done out of proportion in their efforts to please.
 

kingrant

Alfrescian
Loyal
Basically, I think Singaporeans have to keep in mind 3 things for every General Election:

a. It's about the big picture - the national issues and not local issues (like HDB upgrading)
b. It's about principles vs. material gains
c. It's about long haul vs short term.

Also, there will be sacrifices to be made and discomfort in the short term. Mao said, "Revolution is not a dinner party". When you want to get into a fight, be prepared to suffer a blooody nose. The higher the stakes, the bloodier it will be. This is because over 50 years of PAP rule, change has been one way - the PAP way. Not easy to see effects of any change in one electoral term under the opp. Takes at least 2-3 terms, so entrenched is the PAP.
 

phouse3

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Loyal
I think the most lacking is courage. The opposition is not brave enough to admit there are traitors.

All the PhDs and fine degrees would amount to nothing if they let the ah bengs defeat them. It is like a hyped-up Han dynasty general in his finest armour suit and weaponry going into battle, only to trip at the door and land face down on a pile of dung.
 

iamtalkinglah

Alfrescian
Loyal
Basically, I think Singaporeans have to keep in mind 3 things for every General Election:

a. It's about the big picture - the national issues and not local issues (like HDB upgrading)
b. It's about principles vs. material gains
c. It's about long haul vs short term.

Also, there will be sacrifices to be made and discomfort in the short term. Mao said, "Revolution is not a dinner party". When you want to get into a fight, be prepared to suffer a blooody nose. The higher the stakes, the bloodier it will be. This is because over 50 years of PAP rule, change has been one way - the PAP way. Not easy to see effects of any change in one electoral term under the opp. Takes at least 2-3 terms, so entrenched is the PAP.

I am really worried about the mindset of Singaporeans.
Everyone in this forum is saying good/right/true things that normal Singaporeans don't get to hear.

I am only one person. How do we share this information with the rest of the Singaporeans?
Why hasn't the opposition share this true info with the normal Singaporeans?
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
You will soon be arrested and charged for racist comments. :eek:

BLACK AH NEHs ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN 100% BORN & BRED SINGAPOREANS' DISCUSSIONS!

By the way, this Black Ah Neh is the "New Citizen".

You mean to me, I'll be mean to you.
 

iamtalkinglah

Alfrescian
Loyal
You will soon be arrested and charged for racist comments. :eek:

Yes sir. Thank you very much for reminding me. I shall not call you Black Ah Neh until you call me Yellow again coz I do not want to be banned.

I have made the mistake of calling you names when I know you have did me wrong and you had previously called me names and laugh at me for speaking up for Singaporeans. This is what happened to Dr Chee Soon Juan. He was sued by PAP.

OPPOSITION PARTIES NEED TO BE CUNNING AND NOT ACT ON IMPULSE SO AS NOT TO BE SUED.
 

iamtalkinglah

Alfrescian
Loyal
Yes sir. Thank you very much for reminding me. I shall not call you Black Ah Neh until you call me Yellow again coz I do not want to be banned.

I have made the mistake of calling you names when I know you have did me wrong and you had previously called me names and laugh at me for speaking up for Singaporeans. This is what happened to Dr Chee Soon Juan. He was sued by PAP.

OPPOSITION PARTIES NEED TO BE CUNNING AND NOT ACT ON IMPULSE SO AS NOT TO BE SUED.

BTW, if you catch no ball, I am not really saying sorry to you but trying to state a point.

You shamelessly reported my post as racist when I started the name calling first but the fact is, you had in the past started the name calling many times and I when I start for the first time, you tried to report me.
Very similar to you know who.

BTW, if you don't know. Political party supporters can hurl abuse at each other here.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
Do you seriously think that the govt can deny essential services, postal services, social services, policing services, infrastructural support such as roads maint, street lighting, that are provided by public services to Opp wards because they voted for the Opp? Yes, they can ask HDB to give lower priority but they cannot totally deny them. Don't you think that if more and more wards become Opp, the PAP govt wont sit up and start changing their attitudes?

At best they can only deprived some amenities upgrades to HG and PP because these 2 wards are small and located in insignificant locations on the island.

Can they really pull a similar stunt in places like Marine Parade or Tampinese if say oppositions win?

Unlikely. Imagine the impression it gives the foreign visitors as they leave Changi airport to the city via PIE or ECP? The very fact that a GRC is lose regardless of the location is a political tsunami as far as local politics is concern. It signify a shift in voters' mindset and sentiment. PAP will really need to think twice before they punish voters for exercising their democratic right.
 

kingrant

Alfrescian
Loyal
Wish more Singaporeans will see it that way too, bro.

At best they can only deprived some amenities upgrades to HG and PP because these 2 wards are small and located in insignificant locations on the island.

Can they really pull a similar stunt in places like Marine Parade or Tampinese if say oppositions win?

Unlikely. Imagine the impression it gives the foreign visitors as they leave Changi airport to the city via PIE or ECP? The very fact that a GRC is lose regardless of the location is a political tsunami as far as local politics is concern. It signify a shift in voters' mindset and sentiment. PAP will really need to think twice before they punish voters for exercising their democratic right.
 
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