japan people already dislike, mistrust the chinks for a reason. now they have taken action and chinks will suffer. i like
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Japan is Paying its Own Companies to Leave China
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Yeah, but if no one wants to buy from you, you'll have to quite literally eat shit and die.
Also, you're overestimating China's competencies.
When a government is willing to pay its companies to leave, that means war is coming and wants to ensure their own people will not be collateral damage there.
chink production getting harder sanctions coming to cheena
I see a bigger picture here. Trust has been eroded due to the pandemic, sure. But how come so many are now jumping ship? Costs are still low, and the labor is there.
I think this means MNCs are betting sanctions or geopolitical threats are coming.
I think this means MNCs are betting sanctions or geopolitical threats are coming.
Your problem is seeing the big picture but not the small one.
Costs in China are not low anymore. The 五险一金 is killing many businesses there. There are also a lot of hidden costs setting up business in China, a lot of overtable and undertable money involved.
In addition, will you set up a business there knowing your products will be subjected to high taxes when exported to US ?
if costs are not low, then its logical to leave. there are other choices. looks like india is a new choice for manufacturing.
Independence for Cantoland...Cantonese is the true cina language...all others fuck offLet's try this. You know Beijing? Capital of China?
from wikipedia :
When Kublai Khan made Dadu the capital of the Mongol-led Yuan dynasty (1279–1368), all of China was ruled from Beijing for the first time. From 1279 onward, with the exception of two interludes from 1368 to 1420 and 1928 to 1949, Beijing would remain as China's capital, serving as the seat of power for the Ming dynasty (1421–1644), the Manchu-led Qing dynasty (1644–1912), the early Republic of China (1912–1928) and now the People's Republic of China (1949–present).
Prior to it's sinicization, it was also known as Khanbaliq. It was the Ming's who renamed it to Beiping. So first of all, the political centre of China is a Mongolian horse and cow watering town. Did you never wonder why the capital city and the centre of an Empire is at an oddly shaped appendage that just happens to be as close as possible to and surrounded by people the Great Wall of China was supposed to keep out?
How about 8% directly descended from Genghis Khan himself? Enough to qualify or not?
from nat geo:
GENGHIS KHAN, THE fearsome Mongolian warrior of the 13th century, may have done more than rule the largest empire in the world; according to a recently published genetic study, he may have helped populate it too.
An international group of geneticists studying Y-chromosome data have found that nearly 8 percent of the men living in the region of the former Mongol empire carry y-chromosomes that are nearly identical.
so basically, Northern Chinese can be summarized as women who got raped by Mongolians and included into Genghis Khan's harem and the men become Mongol toadies. Don't forget he's now the ruler of an empire whose word is absolute law. That's why their haplogroup map looks different from Southern Chinese. He never bothered to invade Fujian or Guangdong. He stopped in Hubei because by then he was undisputed ruler thanks to aid and assitance of Muslim artillery. Hence Southern Chinese retain some of their traditional and uncontaminated languages (and DNA) simply because there was no Mongol horde ravaging their people.
and this is his reply to the greatest pleasure of life :
"The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters," -- Genghis Khan
you can slowly take the time and enjoy reading a fuller version here :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-456789/Genghis-Khan-The-daddy-lovers.html
He was very efficient at impregnating women and he encouraged his Mongol horde to do the same. Not that they needed any encouragement...
As for Southern Chinese being sinicized, it's true. Southern extremities of China were not 100% Chinese. But that was far earlier in the game. They became sinicized. And this is the gene pool / people that sinkieland comes from. But they were not Mongolized genetically nor culturally as Northern and plains China was. As to your argument that Mongolians got assimilated, that's true too, but genetically they still retain unique markers that distinguish themselves as Mongolians and not Han Chinese. So if you will, they became chopstick using Mongols. If that alone qualifies, then why not Middle Easterners who speak Chinese and follow Chinese culture?
Anyway I hope that info helps. If not, I can go digging around for more.
actually that's inaccurate.
I reproduce a table here and as you can see clearly, the closest "dialect" to Middle Chinese that was used in Chang'An in the Sui and Tang dynasties is Hokkien. Going from this, a person speaking Hokkien would be able to understand Middle Chinese 1-10 quite well and Japanese as well. A Cantonese speaker on the other hand would be able to understand a Vietnamese quite well.
edit : I can't copy and paste this damn table.... , but you can go and look it up here :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese
Historically Cantonese language aka Yue was of relatively minor significance to China until the 1700s. You can see this in the image below
Historically, the Yue are actually people living south of the Anling mountains conquered by the Han Chinese. They are not native Chinese at all, but more like Indo-Chinese. Modern day Vietnamese or Lao people would be a closer fit than actual Chinese.
from wikipedia :
The Baiyue, Hundred Yue, or simply Yue, were various non-Han Chinese ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China to Northern Vietnam between the first millennium BC and the first millennium AD.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] They were known for their short hair, body tattoos, fine swords, and naval prowess.
The Yue tribes were gradually displaced or assimilated into Chinese culture as the Han empire expanded into what is now Southern China and Northern Vietnam.[10][11][12][13][14] Many modern southern Chinese dialects bear traces of substrate languages originally spoken by the ancient Yue. Variations of the name are still used for the name of modern Vietnam, in Zhejiang-related names including Yue opera, the Yue Chinese language, and in the abbreviation for Guangdong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue
So really, the Yue are conquered and assimiliated Vietnamese... and the traditional language of these North Vietnamese "hundred tribes" is what marks Cantonese out as different from standard Middle Chinese.. But yeah, they should be given independence if they want it.
You might also like to know that traditionally, Vietnam fought off Chinese incursion for the longest time. I guess it's still in the blood.
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Hey Mr Foodie, how ya doing? We got to get together one of these days. If we want to change jobs I know where the pay is good lots of fun What do you think?
Bored out of my skull... I'm up for a change of pace and scenery anytime!! Actually a couple of months ago, we have this 1 guy who's dead serious about doing it. You can do a search ilovechinesegal and porn. He just needs a producer....
How about yourself? out and about or restricted by this virus?
So bored. And not quite used to the new normal. I was supposed to be taking up my new post in Europe but now all put on hold.
Ya think we need to step up and help these poor girls out they are willing to work and no guys to work with!
As if life is not crazy enough!
Dear @nightsafari, believe it or not, because both of my father's late parents were:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people
they spoke to me in Hakka since I was a baby (whereas both of my parents have been speaking to me in English/Singlish nearly all the time), so I can understand some Hakka; and unless I'm very mistaken, the "Middle Chinese 1-10" in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese#Modern_dialects_and_Sino-Xenic_pronunciations
sounds like "Hakka 1-10"!
Whereas "Hokkien 1-10" is:
lingonomad.com/blogs/hokkien/0-to-10-in-hokkien
right?
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So we are Qi Ga Ngin....Dear @nightsafari, believe it or not, because both of my father's late parents were:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people
they spoke to me in Hakka since I was a baby (whereas both of my parents have been speaking to me in English/Singlish nearly all the time), so I can understand some Hakka; and unless I'm very mistaken, the "Middle Chinese 1-10" in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese#Modern_dialects_and_Sino-Xenic_pronunciations
sounds like "Hakka 1-10"!
Whereas "Hokkien 1-10" is:
lingonomad.com/blogs/hokkien/0-to-10-in-hokkien
right?
sounds like a plan! except I'm bored of that as well!
oh well, if I'm bored enough, I guess it will become interesting again... You know what? Those girls are seriously cute... 
when you get to your new post in Europe, expect me to come and give you housewarming.
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Thank you for the contribution.Dear @nightsafari, believe it or not, because both of my father's late parents were:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people
they spoke to me in Hakka since I was a baby (whereas both of my parents have been speaking to me in English/Singlish nearly all the time), so I can understand some Hakka; and unless I'm very mistaken, the "Middle Chinese 1-10" in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Chinese#Modern_dialects_and_Sino-Xenic_pronunciations
sounds like "Hakka 1-10"!
Whereas "Hokkien 1-10" is:
lingonomad.com/blogs/hokkien/0-to-10-in-hokkien
right?
I'm not familiar with Hakka at all, but the Hakka are Han Chinese who ran south to get away from the barbarian invaders -- Mongols and Jurchens. As a Hokkien speaker the far right column sounds like Hokkien. Actually there's a lot of depth to explore in this subject. The gist of it is that a lot of the Southern "dialects" are derived from the middle chinese used in Chang'An. This middle Chinese was dispaced in Mongol occupied areas with a precursor to modern Mandarin.from wikipedia :
After the fall of the Northern Song (959–1126) and during the reign of the Jin (1115–1234) and Yuan (Mongol) dynasties in northern China, a common speech developed based on the dialects of the North China Plain around the capital, a language referred to as Old Mandarin. New genres of vernacular literature were based on this language, including verse, drama and story forms, such as the qu and sanqu poetry.[17]
so really as far as I am concerned, Mandarin is really a language of the barbarians and nothing to do with my ancestors who came from Southern China. Basically, if you want to be funny can say Mandarin speakers are traitors to their ancestors.
I just gave a quick and dirty. And many thanks for posting up the table. I was having a lot of trouble with it.
Tat lagi even better. Cantos are not cina. We are our own race n have own language n culture. All other non cantos can F off from cantoland
