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jw5

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You are most welcome! :thumbsup:

Many thanks also to:
@jw5
@sweetiepie
@SHIBALANG
for voting in the poll, even though they do not agree with me and Credit Suisse!
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empathizerofeatshitndie

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Due to lack of anti-armor weaponry, Suicide bombing was also used against the Japanese. Chinese troops strapped explosives like grenade packs or dynamite to their bodies and threw themselves under Japanese tanks to blow them up. Dynamite and grenades were strapped on by Chinese troops who rushed at Japanese tanks and blew themselves up. During one incident at Taierzhuang, Chinese suicide bombers obliterated four Japanese tanks with grenade bundles.

Japanese learned kamikaze attacks from what the Chinese did to them in China.
Dear @LaoTze, to be as fair as possible, the suicide attacks by both the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads
and the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Japanese_Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
were based on a philosophy that ultimately originated in a Classical Chinese phrase, "丈夫玉碎恥甎全" (or "大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全" or "大丈夫寧可玉碎,不能瓦全"):
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/玉碎
("玉碎是指自毁而不委屈求全的行动,该用语的典故出自中国《北齐书·元景安传》中的“大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全”之语。其意为人寧可像碎裂的玉石一样壮烈牺牲,也不要像完整的砖瓦一样苟且偷生。在第二世界大戰末期,日軍以「玉碎」来代稱守軍全體陣亡的情況。")
which means that a true man (i.e. a manly man, and obviously not a "mangina") would rather be a shattered jade/jewel and would be ashamed to be an intact tile!
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The above Classical Chinese phrase was from the 41st chapter/volume:
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書/卷41
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu/beiqishu041.html
of the seventh-century:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/北齐书
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu.html
wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Northern_Qi
which was the "official history" of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Qi_dynasty
compiled/completed in 636 by the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty
historian:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李百药
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Baiyao
after the writing of the book was started by his father:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李德林
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Delin

And I believe that the modern:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people
or to be more precise, the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people
inherited a significant part (possibly even a majority) of their modern culture and spirit:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
ultimately from the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_missions_to_Tang_China
"Japanese missions to Tang China (遣唐使, Kentōshi) represent Japanese efforts to learn from the Chinese culture and civilization in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries. The nature of these contacts evolved gradually from political and ceremonial acknowledgment to cultural exchanges; and the process accompanied the growing commercial ties which developed over time.

Between 607 and 838, Japan sent 19 missions to China. Knowledge and learning was the principal objective of each expedition. For example: Priests studied Chinese Buddhism. Officials studied Chinese government. Doctors studied Chinese medicine. Painters studied Chinese painting. Approximately one third of those who embarked from Japan did not survive to return home.
"
 

Sideswipe

Alfrescian (Inf)
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Dear @LaoTze, to be as fair as possible, the suicide attacks by both the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads
and the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Japanese_Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
were based on a philosophy that ultimately originated in a Classical Chinese phrase, "丈夫玉碎恥甎全" (or "大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全" or "大丈夫寧可玉碎,不能瓦全"):
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/玉碎
("玉碎是指自毁而不委屈求全的行动,该用语的典故出自中国《北齐书·元景安传》中的“大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全”之语。其意为人寧可像碎裂的玉石一样壮烈牺牲,也不要像完整的砖瓦一样苟且偷生。在第二世界大戰末期,日軍以「玉碎」来代稱守軍全體陣亡的情況。")
which means that a true man (i.e. a manly man, and obviously not a "mangina") would rather be a shattered jade/jewel and would be ashamed to be an intact tile!
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The above Classical Chinese phrase was from the 41st chapter/volume:
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書/卷41
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu/beiqishu041.html
of the seventh-century:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/北齐书
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu.html
wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Northern_Qi
which was the "official history" of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Qi_dynasty
compiled/completed in 636 by the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty
historian:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李百药
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Baiyao
after the writing of the book was started by his father:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李德林
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Delin

And I believe that the modern:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people
or to be more precise, the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people
inherited a significant part (possibly even a majority) of their modern culture and spirit:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
ultimately from the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_missions_to_Tang_China
"Japanese missions to Tang China (遣唐使, Kentōshi) represent Japanese efforts to learn from the Chinese culture and civilization in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries. The nature of these contacts evolved gradually from political and ceremonial acknowledgment to cultural exchanges; and the process accompanied the growing commercial ties which developed over time.

Between 607 and 838, Japan sent 19 missions to China. Knowledge and learning was the principal objective of each expedition. For example: Priests studied Chinese Buddhism. Officials studied Chinese government. Doctors studied Chinese medicine. Painters studied Chinese painting. Approximately one third of those who embarked from Japan did not survive to return home.
"


war is death. soldiers have to be brave and take calculated risks of their lives in dangerous situations but not suicide attacks in general. when the battle is lost for certainty, they should be allowed to retreat or surrender to the enemy. a good general shouldn't send his men to their deaths unnecessary.

during the battle of taierzhuang, the chief commander Li Zongren ordered the city commander Sun Lianzhong and his men to fight and die with the city. that's because Li knew reinforcements troops were coming, Sun just needed to hang on. the battle tide would be turned and Li was right. during the last days before the reinforcements arrived, Li told Sun to organize a suicide volunteer force of around 1000 men to attack the Japanese camps during the night. they would be given a large amount of money for their efforts if they survived.

during the famous battles of Changde 1943 and Henyang 1944, Yu Chengwan's troops retreated and Fang Xianjue's troops surrendered respectively. at that time, the KMT govt decided to court-marital the 2 generals for their military failures. if they had died there, they will be martyrs and given military awards. but the Chinese press had different views, the generals and their men did their best under very difficult circumstances, they shouldn't be blamed for the defeats. Yu and Fang's men gave their all and can retreat or surrender in good conscience instead of simply all dying there.
 
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LaoTze

Alfrescian
Loyal
Dear @LaoTze, to be as fair as possible, the suicide attacks by both the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads
and the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Japanese_Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
were based on a philosophy that ultimately originated in a Classical Chinese phrase, "丈夫玉碎恥甎全" (or "大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全" or "大丈夫寧可玉碎,不能瓦全"):
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/玉碎
("玉碎是指自毁而不委屈求全的行动,该用语的典故出自中国《北齐书·元景安传》中的“大丈夫宁为玉碎,不为瓦全”之语。其意为人寧可像碎裂的玉石一样壮烈牺牲,也不要像完整的砖瓦一样苟且偷生。在第二世界大戰末期,日軍以「玉碎」来代稱守軍全體陣亡的情況。")
which means that a true man (i.e. a manly man, and obviously not a "mangina") would rather be a shattered jade/jewel and would be ashamed to be an intact tile!
bow-gif.40441


The above Classical Chinese phrase was from the 41st chapter/volume:
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書/卷41
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu/beiqishu041.html
of the seventh-century:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/北齐书
zh.wikisource.org/wiki/北齊書
chinesenotes.com/beiqishu.html
wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Northern_Qi
which was the "official history" of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Qi_dynasty
compiled/completed in 636 by the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty
historian:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李百药
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Baiyao
after the writing of the book was started by his father:
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/李德林
wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Delin

And I believe that the modern:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people
or to be more precise, the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_people
inherited a significant part (possibly even a majority) of their modern culture and spirit:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
ultimately from the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_missions_to_Tang_China
"Japanese missions to Tang China (遣唐使, Kentōshi) represent Japanese efforts to learn from the Chinese culture and civilization in the 7th, 8th and 9th centuries. The nature of these contacts evolved gradually from political and ceremonial acknowledgment to cultural exchanges; and the process accompanied the growing commercial ties which developed over time.

Between 607 and 838, Japan sent 19 missions to China. Knowledge and learning was the principal objective of each expedition. For example: Priests studied Chinese Buddhism. Officials studied Chinese government. Doctors studied Chinese medicine. Painters studied Chinese painting. Approximately one third of those who embarked from Japan did not survive to return home.
"


TALK IS CHEAP

HOW ELSE DID CHINESE FOUGHT JAPANESE TANKS WHEN CHINESE DID NOT HAVE ANTI TANK WEAPONS AND ARTILLERY?

THEY USED THEMSELVES AND THEIR BODIES

CHINESE NOT ONLY KILLED JAPANESE
CHINESE TERRIFIED THE FUCKING JAPS SO MUCH

SHOWING JAPS HOW CHINESE FOUGHT WITH SO LITTLE WEAPONS THAT THEY USED THEMSELVES AS WEAPONS

WHICH JAP STOLE THAT IDEA JUST AS THEY STOLE BONSAI, TEA DRINKING, SUSHI GO(WEICHI) CLAIMING THAT AS THEIR OWN
MUCH OF THE CULTURE OF JAPAN WAS THE CULTURE OF CHINA TAKEN TO JAPAN

IT WAS THE CHINESE THAT TAUGHT AND SHOWED JAPANESE THE IDEA OF TRUE BRAVERY AND SUICIDAL FORLORN HOPE ATTACKS.
THAT THEY DIE IN ORDER THAT THE HATED JAPANESE DIE.

AND CHINESE KILLED FAR FAR MORE JAPANESE SOLDIERS IN CHINA THAN USA KILLED IN PACIFIC WAR WITH THEIR CARRIERS AND PLANES AND ARTILLERY AND BATTLESHIPS WITH 16 INCH GUNS AND UNLIMITED AMMO AND BOMBS THAT ONLY TOOK OUT 300,000 JAPS
 

LaoTze

Alfrescian
Loyal
SO DONT TALK ABOUT TAIWAN AND JAPAN COMBINED

TAIWAN TOO FUCKING SMALL TO MATTER

EVEN IF JAPAN AND USA AND 5 EYES COMBINED TOGETHER

CHINA WILL FUCK AND TIEW AND KANN THEM WITHIN 4 DAYS
WITHIN AN HOUR, NO MORE FUCKING BASES OF ANY KIND IN JAPAN AND GUAM

WITHING 2 HOURS, WHAT THE DFs NOT TAKEN OUT, THE CRUISE MISSILES WILL GET THEM ALL

NO FUCKING CARRIERS WEST OF HAWAII, OR IF THEY WERE, TAKEN OUT AND NO FUCKING PLANES TO FLY

AND IF USA USE NUKE, WE ALL WILL FUCKING DIE AS CHINA WILL USE EVEN MORE POWERFUL NUKES ON USA AND BASES OF USA IN EUROPE AND ALL OVER THE WORLD.
AND STINKAPORE IS A KEY USA BASE.




Correct!

Now is the time of DF100s, DF26Bs, DF41s, H Bombs done to Yu Ming configurations, and much much much more.

You still have not done your research and homework like I told you to do the last time.
Your propensity to spout gibberish is pathetic even if amusing to me and all others here


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Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.










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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.




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Remember in just ten minutes, China missiles will destroy all the fucking airbases and naval bases in Japan and Guam. And in the next 30 minutes, Chinee cruise missiles by the thousands will take out whatever the fuck the missiles left in Japan.

Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?
China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes
USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**
How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’
This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war
There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.




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Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia

And Japan knows China will take final revenge for Nanjing Massacre and Unit 731.

And read this too

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system casts shadow over Taiwan Strait


  • The ‘mystery’ hardware that appeared without a name at the National Day parade in October is the PLA’s most powerful MLRS ever, experts say
  • System capable of firing eight 370mm rockets 350km or two 750mm ballistic missiles 500km


China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km. Photo: Handout

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km. Photo: Handout

The multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) that made its public debut at China’s
National Day parade
on October 1 has been identified as a state-of-the-art piece of weaponry capable of firing both rockets and ballistic missiles, according to a leading military magazine.
A report in the latest issue of Modern Ships also gave the new hardware a name – the Type PCL191 – saying it was a modular launcher based on the AR3 system developed by China for the export market.
Unlike other weapon systems on display in Beijing, which had their names emblazoned along their sides, the Type PCL191 rumbled through the streets of Beijing on the back of heavy-duty trucks with almost complete anonymity.





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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476


China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.

The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.



The U.S. Navy Won't Like China's New Ship-Killer Hypersonic Missile
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses
Graphics associated with the CM-401 suggest it has a “porpoising” or “skip-glide” trajectory that involves the warhead abruptly pulling up at least once as it begins the terminal stage of its flight. This maneuver could extend the range of a ballistic weapon, but has only ever been used to give the warhead a much more irregular flight path and allow it to adjust its course.

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China budget for military spending is 1.5% , or 175 billion USD. Not even at 2% as wanted by USA for her puppet countries like UK, France , Germany , Australia , Japan etc. USA budget for military spending is 686 billion USD or 3.5%
Just imagine if China military budget is at 2%, or like USA, at 3.5%
Further more, this is not like in the case of Germany during Hitler time. Werhmact had the Tigers tanks, a much better tank than Russia or USA or UK.
BUT
Germany manufactured only 5,966 tanks, as compared to 29,497 for the US, 7,476 for Britain, and an estimated 20,000 for the Soviet Union. And the results shown many many more will take out the best and the few.
In China now, not only the key assets got better reach and more bang then USA, China got more of them than USA.
Report: China has some of world’s most advanced weapons, remains ‘long way’ from US military
China’s been showing off a lot of new powerful weapons, and experts think they’re sending a message
Some Chinese military tech surpasses US, Pentagon admits
**Let us start with MRLS.**
Now China is as good if not better than Russians in rocket artillery.
Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems)
The PHL 03 is a Chinese artillery rocket system. It is a copy of the Soviet
Smerch (Smerch Multiple Launch Rocket System)
. It reportedly entered service with the Chinese army in 2004-2005. The PHL 03 is also being proposed for the export customers as the AR2. It has been exported to Morocco (one battalion with 36 units).
The PHL 03 has 12 tubes for 300 mm rockets. A standard rocket weights around 800 kg and has a 280 kg warhead. Maximum range of fire is 70-130 km depending on the warhead type. Though some sources report that rockets of this system has a maximum range of 150 km. Rockets are available with High Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), fuel-air explosive, and cluster warheads with anti-armor and anti-personnel submunitions. Cluster warheads may also carry self-targeting anti-tank munitions. A full salvo of this system could potentially cover an area of up to 67 hectares.
**Even though the PHL 03 is a Chinese version of the Smerch, it appears that Chinese overtook Russians in terms of rockets, as rockets of the PHL 03 have longer range than those of the Smerch. Manufacturers claim, that Chinese 300 mm rockets are not compatible with the Russian Smerch rockets as these use different propellant motors and components.**
USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in rocket artillery or tube artillery.
China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System (China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System)
Various types of the 300 mm caliber rocket shells fired by the PHL03 are equipped with simple automatic correction system which allows more dense impact points. The impact point intensity doubles and the accuracy triples. In this way, a high kill probability with fewer rocket shells is possible.
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From the table above, it can be concluded that in terms of overall design, or in particular, the range, intensity, power, survivability and maneuverability, the PHL03 MLRS has a series of major breakthroughs compared with traditional rockets. Some of its aspects meet or even exceed the world's advanced level.
The service of the PHL03 Multiple Launch Rocket System has greatly enhanced the capability of remote fire support of the Chinese military. The operational performance of the system will continue to improve with the development of China's rocket shell technology. And it will become an indispensable remote firepower for the Chinese military.
**Chinese tube artillery**
Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.
Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen (Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen)


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Chinese designed and made their own GL5 APS for their battle tanks.
China unveils GL5 active protection system for main battle tanks
You will see photos of the missile warhead being taken out by the APS meters before the missile hit the tank .




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USA got no equivalent despite their vast spendings , and had to go cap in hand to Israel to buy their Trophy system and mount it on their Abrahms.

**Explosives**
China also got the most powerful non-nuclear explosive. So a Chinese AShM carrying 500 kg semi armour piercing warhead might well be the equivalent of a 1,500 kg warhead of USA equivalent. And same for Chinese propellant.
Other than nuclear explosives, the most powerful are Semtex, HMX, or even the holy grail Octanitrocubane sought by the West in vain.
China leapt pass that into the N15 kind of explosive 10 to 100 times more powerful than TNT. N15 in propellent form is also used by China in her missiles .
In Chinese
军事深度_新浪军事_新浪网... (中国竟先于美推出高含能材料:重要程度堪比055下水)
**中国竟先于美推出高含能材料:重要程度堪比055下水**
2017年11月18日
Partial extract via
Google Translate (Google Translate)
In January 2017, China announced a new research result. The world's first all-anion anion salt was successfully synthesized. The related research papers have become



**Shooting war in the sea will also have shooting war in the air and AWACs important to that air war.**
Husuo Batao's answer to Is it true that Chinese AWACS aircraft are 50 percent more efficient than those used by the USA? (Quora User's answer to Is it true that Chinese AWACS aircraft are 50 percent more efficient than those used by the USA?)
extract of above

Thanks a lot to all those that feared China and took steps to block her from the Israeli deal.
Thereby forcing China to do it by herself and thereby making even far better AWACs then those possessed by USA or Israel instead of merely being on par with USA /Israel.
Just like the fear that China supercomputers be better than USA and USA blocking sales of chips to be used on China supercomputer. China went on to design and made their own chips and China Supercomputers fastest in the world. Please do not tell me USA now hold the title for fastest supercomputer.
China decided not to enter her latest supercomputer in that Top500 to avoid yet more kneejerks from Dotard.
China said to play down US supercomputing rivalry amid trade war
As for Chinese AWACs, I am reposting Lin Xieyi from his July 2017 answer on How capable is Chinese AWACS system as compared to US or Israeli systems?


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It was the successful efforts by the US in 2000 in pressurizing Israel and Russia not to export AWACs technology to China that prompted Beijing to embark on an intensive effort to develop advanced home-grown radar technology. Only when the KJ-2000 entered service in 2005 did China possess the capability to coordinate its air force in large-scale air battles while simultaneously tracking many enemy aircraft and ships. The speed of Chinese AWACS development overtook the speed of acquisition of AWACS by other countries - China completed the path of catching up and overtaking the West on AWACS research and by 2012, China became the world leader in AWACS aircraft in terms of stealth detection range and fixed rotodome design.

  1. Stealth detection Range : Although the US E-3 Sentry AWACS can detect/track 3rd-Gen military aircraft out to 400 km in range, it can only detect 4th and 5th Gen stealth aircraft out to 150 Km. On the other hand the Chinese KJ-500 (or KJ-2000) can detect 4th & 5th Gen stealth aircraft at 250 km range, giving it a heads-up in transmitting enemy aircraft info to escorting fighters.
  2. Fixed Rotodome design : The PLAAF’s current top-of-the-line AEWC&C system, the KJ-2000, is believed to be one full generation ahead of U.S. E-3 AWACS and E-2 Hawkeye aircraft. While the US AWACS are still using rotating rotodomes, the Chinese AWACS are using fixed rotodome which reduce wear and tear due to less moving mechanical parts.
[1] China’s Emerging C4ISR Revolution


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Footnotes
[1] China’s Emerging C4ISR Revolution
Since then, China came up with even more powerful AWACS, aka KJ-600 Carrier Based AWACS .
Meet KJ-600, the aircraft that could help China's navy rival America's
And from Wuming Chan answer.

How much can one truly know how capable the Chinese AWACS systems can be?
Much of that might be secret until the time when that is being used to deliver good news to KC-135s and carriers and AWECs and other assets which is likely to be a lot less stealth than hoped for.
How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.
Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?
China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes
USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**
How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’
This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war
There will be no usable bases for USA airforce in Japan or Guam within the first 10 minutes of the war.
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
A Missile 'Pearl Harbor': How China Could Win a War Against America?
Missile Strikes on U.S. Bases in Asia: Is This China's Real Threat to America?
Those bases will all be hit and cratered by DFs with conventional warheads so planes cannot take off.
Go into above to see photos of strikes made by Chinese on model setups in the Western desert of China that represent hardened bunkers for planes and runways and dock settings with models of Burkes and Ticos and the bases HQs to see the pin point targetting of the DFs.




Naval assets and head quarters will all be hit and sunk and taken out of play.
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly by the thousands to take out planes still stuck in those bases.
As for shooting war at the sea. And forgetting for time being the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and CM-401s that China have and figment of imagination in heads of USA Admirals.
Just on AShMs.
Xi Jinping's Rocket Force is nullifying U.S. military primacy in Asia

Apart from weapons covered by the INF Treaty where China has a monopoly, the PLA has other missiles in its arsenal that outperform their U.S. counterparts. These include two supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, the YJ-12, with a range of 400 km, and the YJ-18, which can hit targets up to 540 km away.
To counter these missiles, the United States relies on its subsonic, Harpoon anti-ship missile which has been modified to give it a maximum range of about 240 km. “That is a very big gap,” said Haddick, who is also an adviser to the U.S. Special Operations Command. “China’s anti-ship missile capability exceeds those of the United States in terms of range, speed and sensor performance.”


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The whole world will be watching Muricans kids lead by a Dotard and his demented side kicks Bolton and Pompeo carrying knives to indulge in their blood letting fantasies in a fucking gun fight with China, when China got the guns against the knives of Murican kids.

China has thousands of supersonic Mach 3 AShMs and thousands of subsonic stealth AShMs that then can sprint to Mach 3 within 40 km of the target.
And eyes above in satellite and high flying drones above and sonar devices on sea bed that will know every second where the carriers are and where they are heading to tell the AShMs where to hit.


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Truly god view, Jilin-1 video satellite shot @OneSpace01 OS-X1 suborbital rocket's launch at JSLC this noon.

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China got 3000++ of Mach 3s YJ-12 and YJ18 to throw against the 11 carriers USA want to bring to their self declared FONOP.
Or at least 300++ Mach 3s on each carrier group.
Assuming only 20 % of those will hit. So be assured that at least 10 missiles will hit the carrier and not just 1 missile.
And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end.




"Illustration of U.S. and threat anti-ship missile ranges from Bryan Clark's CSBA monograph 'Commanding the Seas: A Plan to Reinvigorate U.S. Navy Surface Warfare' https://csbaonline.org/uploads/d...
And do not forget the DF-21Ds and DF-26Bs and the CM-401s


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The U.S. Navy Won't Like China's New Ship-Killer Hypersonic Missile
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses
Graphics associated with the CM-401 suggest it has a “porpoising” or “skip-glide” trajectory that involves the warhead abruptly pulling up at least once as it begins the terminal stage of its flight. This maneuver could extend the range of a ballistic weapon, but has only ever been used to give the warhead a much more irregular flight path and allow it to adjust its course.


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A Chinese graphic showing a ballistic missile with a skip-glide trajectory associated with the CM-401.
This, in turn, makes it harder for an opponent to try and intercept the warhead. The CM-401’s terminal speed, which CASIC says is between Mach 4 and 6, would also help it break through enemy defenses to reach its target. The launch platform reportedly has the ability to fire its two missiles on different trajectories against either one or two targets at once, again increasing the difficulty for the defender to respond to the incoming threat.
I cannot imagine the big brothers of CM-401 do not have that capability. Especially as the CM-401 build for the export market.
And what about hypersonic weapons?
The Chinese military in 2014 said it had conducted a hypersonic test flight. By early 2016, it had conducted six successful tests, according to U.S. military officials. How many more since then is anyone guess.


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More likely than not, Chinese hypersonic weapon systems already operational and deployed . USA equivalent still in the dreaming stages and going out to tender.
China leads U.S. on potent super-fast missiles
As for the really serious business that I hope never ever be used,
DF-41 - Wikipedia
The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 is currently in its final testing stages and will be the next land-based ballistic missile to be deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.
This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km.
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.


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Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world
If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

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war is death. soldiers have to be brave and take calculated risks of their lives in dangerous situations but not suicide attacks in general. when the battle is lost for certainty, they should be allowed to retreat or surrender to the enemy. a good general shouldn't send his men to their deaths unnecessary.

during the battle of taierzhuang, the chief commander Li Zongren ordered the city commander Sun Lianzhong and his men to fight and die with the city. that's because Li knew reinforcements troops were coming, Sun just needed to hang on. the battle tide would be turned and Li was right. during the last days before the reinforcements arrived, Li told Sun to organize a suicide volunteer force of around 1000 men to attack the Japanese camps during the night. they would be given a large amount of money for their efforts if they survived.

during the famous battles of Changde 1943 and Henyang 1944, Yu Chengwan's troops retreated and Fang Xianjue's troops surrendered respectively. at that time, the KMT govt decided to court-marital the 2 generals for their military failures. if they had died there, they will be martyrs and given military awards. but the Chinese press had different views, the generals and their men did their best under very difficult circumstances, they shouldn't be blamed for the defeats. Yu and Fang's men gave their all and can retreat or surrender in good conscience instead of simply all dying there.
Dear @Sideswipe, many belated thanks to you too for your reply! :smile:
May I ask you to also vote in the poll, please?
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China is so far far ahead of USA in laser that it is not funny at all.

The Americans making lots of noise on their 30-kilowatt Laser Weapons System (LaWS) aboard the USS Ponce in the Persian Gulf. Or even 100 kilowatt Silent Hunter. Or even US Miracl (or Mid-Infrared Advanced Chemical Laser ) produced over 1MW.

This is what the Chinese got.
China's Airborne Laser Weapon Would Change Dogfighting Forever
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a30502725/china-airborne-laser/



And remember back in October 2018, Chinese WERE talking about using laser to tear apart the Fabric of Spacetime. That was 3 years ago. I imagine China be even more advanced now than in Oct 2018.

China’s “Station of Extreme Light” –‘A New Physics That Can Tear Apart the Fabric of Spacetime’
https://dailygalaxy.com/2018/10/chi...-the-fabric-of-spacetime-todays-most-popular/

China is building a laser that can produce 100 quadrillion watts – about 50,000 times the planet’s total power consumption — a light so intense that it would equal the amount of the energy our Earth receives from the Sun.

At the heart of the Shanghai Superintense Ultrafast Laser Facility (SULF), is a single cylinder of titanium-doped sapphire about the width of a Frisbee. After kindling light in the crystal and shunting it through a system of lenses and mirrors, the SULF distills it into pulses of mind-boggling power, achieving an unprecedented 5.3 million billion watts, or petawatts (PW) reported Science.


TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK IS 30 KILOWATT, OR EVEN 1 MW TO COMPARE WITH 5.3 MILLION BILLION WATT AS DONE BY THE CHINESE ?

CHINESE WAS THE FIRST TO DISCOVER AND USED GUNPOWDER. BUT CHINESE USED THAT FOR FIREWORKS AND TO AMUSE THEMSELVES WITH.

AND INSTEAD OF TEARING APART THE FABRIC OF SPACE TIME, CHINESE CAN DISTILL THEIR LASER KNOWLEDGE DOWNWARDS AND USE THAT AS FUCKING WEAPON TO VAPORISE THE AMERICANS. I THINK ALL CAN AGREE IT IS EASIER TO GO DOWN INSTEAD OF GOING UP AND UP.

EVEN IF CHINESE USE JUST 0.1 PERCENT OF THE POWER OF THE LASER THAT THEY GOT, THAT WILL STILL BE 5.3 THOUSAND BILLION WATTS.
WHAT THE FUCK THE USA US MIRACL 1MW CAN COMPARE WITH?

USA GOT A FUCKING LANGJEOW THE SIZE OF SMALL TOWGAW AND THINK THEY DUA DUA KEE

AND USA WANT TO FUCK ABOUT WITH XI DADA?

USA WILL BE CARRYING KNIVES TO A GUNFIGHT AND XI DADA WILL BE HAVING THE GUNS AND CANNONS AGAINST THE USA 30 KILOWATT OR EVEN 1 MW.







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And USA thinking they frighten China with their cheebye how seow towgaw langjeow 150 kilowatt toy gun

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i'm afraid many tiongs will die and their ships sink if they try invading taiwan. the defeat will be so overwhelming and embarrassing...
Dear @eatshitndie-sama, in my humble opinion, that is the precise/main reason that the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Government of the People's Republic of China
will not dare to try invading Taiwan in the first place! :smile:
But if they were to finally dare to really invade Taiwan and end up failing, then that would probably be the obvious/visible beginning of the end of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China
because:
...that xia xuay xi has to resort to nuking the island to save face.
I strongly believe that they will not dare to nuke Taiwan after failing to invade it, simply because they know very well that if they were to nuke Taiwan, the chance of:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing
and/or:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai
also getting nuked by the US and/or even Japan would be nearly 100%! :eek:
And unless I am very mistaken, the spirit/character of the PRC government and even the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Military_Commission_(China)
wikipedia.org/wiki/People's Liberation Army
is still NOT brave/willing enough to sacrifice Beijing and/or Shanghai, unlike the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Japan
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
who, I strongly suspect, would be very willing to sacrifice the entire:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_archipelago
even if all their four main islands and their other thousands of small islands were to end up sinking into the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ocean
during an all-out war with the PRC, simply because the Japanese people, especially their government and armed forces, will NEVER surrender and consent to become SLAVES of the PRC government or any government of any other country, which is why, according to:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge#In_World_War_II
"During the war period, the Japanese militarist government disseminated propaganda that romanticized suicide attacks, using one of the virtues of Bushido as the basis for the campaign. The Japanese government presented war as purifying, with death defined as a duty. By the end of 1944, the government announced the last protocol, unofficially named ichioku gyokusai (一億玉砕, literally "100 million shattered jewels"), implying the will of sacrificing the entire Japanese population of 100 million, if necessary, for the purpose of resisting opposition forces." :eek:
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Anyway, back to the possible war between the PRC and Taiwan in the near future!
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As I said above, if the PRC government were to finally dare to really invade Taiwan and end up failing, the war would probably still continue! :eek:
And I strongly suspect that the following eight (out of a total of thirteen):
wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_groups_of_China#PLA_Group_Armies_and_their_headquarters_after_April_2017
located in the following seven provinces along the PRC's east coast:
wikipedia.org/wiki/79th_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaoning

wikipedia.org/wiki/80th_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong

wikipedia.org/wiki/81st_Group_Army
wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebei

wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangsu

wikipedia.org/wiki/72nd_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhejiang

wikipedia.org/wiki/73rd_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian

wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_Group_Army
in:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong
will be targeted by Taiwan's:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Armed_Forces
which has roughly 1.8 million personnel (including both Active and Reserve personnel), whereas the entire:
wikipedia.org/wiki/People's Liberation Army
only has roughly 2.5 million personnel (including both Active and Reserve personnel) for the whole of:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_China
Therefore, there is a good chance that Taiwan's Armed Forces and the above eight "Army groups" or "Group armies" located in those seven provinces along the PRC's east coast will be evenly matched in a non-nuclear war! :tongue:
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Furthermore, since roughly four years ago, because of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legislation
the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
has been allowed to "participate in foreign conflicts, overturning its previous policy of fighting only in self-defense. Since the Japanese constitution only allows the Japanese military to act in self-defense, the legislation reinterpreted the relevant passages to allow the military to operate overseas for "collective self-defense" for allies. The legislation came into effect on 29 March 2016."
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Dear @eatshitndie-sama, in my humble opinion, that is the precise/main reason that the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Government of the People's Republic of China
will not dare to try invading Taiwan in the first place! :smile:
But if they were to finally dare to really invade Taiwan and end up failing, then that would probably be the obvious/visible beginning of the end of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

can your fucking crap
go educate yourself first

more of such kind of shit from you will earn
you a place besides @ginfreely and other turds in my ignore bin
as you talking rot and no point to see your rot no more.

make my day

and see yourself in ignore with turds and used toilet papers and used condoms and cockcroaches there



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As long as Taiwan does not formally announce independence, I agree that PRC will not invade ROC. :wink:
Dear @jw5, for the fourth time, many belated thanks for bumping up my thread again the day before yesterday by finally replying to my long-winded post!
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But to be as realistic as possible, I would say that "as long as Taiwan does not formally announce independence", the chance of the:
wikipedia.org/wiki/People's Liberation Army
TRYING to invade Taiwan would be very low, but NOT zero! :wink:
Similarly, even if Taiwan "formally" announces "independence", the chance of the PLA TRYING to invade Taiwan would be much higher, but NOT 100%! :wink:

Therefore, in my humble opinion, since it is possible for the PLA to TRY invading Taiwan at any time everyday, whether or not Taiwan "formally" announces "independence", the far more important question should be:

If, because of whatever reason, the PLA were to finally dare to try invading Taiwan, will the PLA succeed or fail? :wink:

I agree with our dear @eatshitndie that the PLA will fail; but do you agree with us? :unsure:
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