Does anyone know how ISD agents work?

[scroobal]

What GD is trying to tell you is that all the boxes can be easily ticked where you a concerned about helping the authorities. Your profile is actually perfect. When I came on board this forum and met you online, I was curious about your family background, your SAP era, then your job, your previous PA association and finally that you went to OCS, I realised that you were more than qualified. I find it hard that you were not approached. The only explanation is that Ramseth has been following you from dawn to dusk all these years and lightened up recently. You are ideal target not because you are bad but you in the thick of things and with foray into Malay Bureau, the ears ricked up. If you are not in, I can assure you someone very close to you is in and don't discount family members. No ISD person in charge of that area is going to accept that they don't have anyone and the old man won't visit the toilet until someone can measure your heartbeat. They can't afford to. The Malaysians will be there if no one is doing it. GD has been hinting from the very start about how local politics work. Get with the programme. Start chipping away another 12 %.

You have a weird thesis here. You would trust a politician who will be willingly under the influence of foreigner? LOL! Once you take favours from foreigners, be prepared to pay back many times in return! At whose expense? Of course the citizens! Those who advocate foreign influence and role in Singapore politics are the real bloody fraud. Any politician or even just citizen with that little bit of dignity and pride would not tolerate that. This is also why I have respect for LTK because we share the same values on this one.I do not feel shameful about what I believe in. However, having said these, how do you actually conclude that I will become an agent for ISD just because I believe in this? As long as PAP is in power, ISD will always be my adversary, no ifs or buts. Even if it is about national security, it is their responsibility, not mine. If you really think money can buy me at all, well, you must be a very substandard agent! Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

I know where you are coming from.

Give you a simple explanation. When old man realised that no. 4 pure grade heroin was 10 cheaper here than Sydney, he realised there was a problem. The families of rich kids were complaining and toll on the poor kids were quite apparent. The Police Force could not cope. He created CNB and it's only focus is drugs. He gave them unprecedented access to data. He also allowed them to operate with great freedom in return for results. If he drove by and saw 2 mats (I am obviously stereotyping) lost in space under a tree puffing the magic dragon, he would pick up the phone and screw the shit out of Director, CNB. The results together with the death penalty are obvious.

In the 90, they lost their focus and the trade was getting more sophisticated. He transferred Sim Poh Heng and Tan Seck Kang (of Tang Fong Har long jaw fame) to CNB as 1 and 2 to beef it up.

MINDEF was only to provide budgeting and facilities to SID. MFA was supposed to run the joint. Old man preoccupied with god knows what and in 3 decades, it is a full Dept in SID. The funny part is MINDEF quietly beefed up MSD to equal strength and they are doing well. By the way MSD has nothing to do with military intelligence. There are days when I wonder if old man was not here, what then? Maybe Ghana or the Philippines.

Dear Scroobal The age old divide between the need for Political Intelligence and Military Intelligence persists to this day. The Isaraeli's facing life and death extinction on intelligence decided on both, Military Intelligence run by the Military and well Political Intelligence run by Mossad or civilians. Shin Beth and Internal Security got alone well with everyone as fortunately for Israel , the enemies fell into easy beauracratic stove pipes. ots in the target countries are pretty much well unaware of what they want :_)). Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo

Its quite obvious who will be spying on us big time within the next twenty years. The China Chinese would be using or trying to use us big time as a base to collect political, military and especially economic intelligence and integrating the three. Can't imagine what we would want to spy on the chinese for as they are way to big :_)). We should just cut a deal with the Chinese, they give us their stuff on Malaysia Indonesia Thailand, we give them whatever they want and SID can cut its budget by half .



Locke

I know where you are coming from.

Give you a simple explanation. When old man realised that no. 4 pure grade heroin was 10 cheaper here than Sydney, he realised there was a problem. The families of rich kids were complaining and toll on the poor kids were quite apparent. The Police Force could not cope. He created CNB and it's only focus is drugs. He gave them unprecedented access to data. He also allowed them to operate with great freedom in return for results. If he drove by and saw 2 mats (I am obviously stereotyping) lost in space under a tree puffing the magic dragon, he would pick up the phone and screw the shit out of Director, CNB. The results together with the death penalty are obvious.

In the 90, they lost their focus and the trade was getting more sophisticated. He transferred Sim Poh Heng and Tan Seck Kang (of Tang Fong Har long jaw fame) to CNB as 1 and 2 to beef it up.

MINDEF was only to provide budgeting and facilities to SID. MFA was supposed to run the joint. Old man preoccupied with god knows what and in 3 decades, it is a full Dept in SID. The funny part is MINDEF quietly beefed up MSD to equal strength and they are doing well. By the way MSD has nothing to do with military intelligence. There are days when I wonder if old man was not here, what then? Maybe Ghana or the Philippines.

 

[scroobal]

This is a failure of political leadership to clearly fine the remit and the desired results and it will be done.

If the leadership says that we need minutes of the Malaysian Arms Procurement Committee, one major identity of Political secretary status in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines in our payroll you have to deliver. Instead, they will put up a paper on Global Hawk, it's capabilities such as the HD image of the swimming pool and the brand tag on the bikini of the Miss Malaysia 2005 sunning herself in a Malaysian Ministers backyard pool, the natural tendency is to use all the scholarly power to break down the mechanics of the Global Hawk. End of the year, Public Administration Silver Medal for the paper on Global Hawk and not anything on the target.

I would say that the people in the frontline (lower levels) are doing to the best of their capabilities and feed the mid/upper management, how the mid/upper people analyze and disseminate this is always the devil. The proper stuff doesn't always reach the proper consumers. Who wants to be the messenger that gets shot?

 

[scroobal]

The moment we built Changi Naval Base for the Americans, we began a major target for the Chinese. In the early days we deported a Russian Marine Supt and a diplomat within 24 hrs for spying on Keppel as we use to do work on Allied warships and security was not tight as Sembwang. Can you imagine with the number of PRCS hookers to major professionals and researchers on this tiny island, how to keep an eye. There is a PRC with a fresh Singapore passport in the middle of Binjai Park in a hide house. He makes his fortune in China and continues to do so. So guess who he is beholden too. obviously not Singapore. Even if he loves Laksa and the good amenities, his loyalty is obvious. Every time he goes to Beijing, he will have a chat with the authorities.

Dear Scroo Its quite obvious who will be spying on us big time within the next twenty years. The China Chinese would be using or trying to use us big time as a base to collect political, military and especially economic intelligence and integrating the three. Can't imagine what we would want to spy on the chinese for as they are way to big :_)). We should just cut a deal with the Chinese, they give us their stuff on Malaysia Indonesia Thailand, we give them whatever they want and SID can cut its budget by half .Locke

 

[kukubird58]

Believe me, this thread is the thread of the year! Some people are putting up daily reports to their bosses. I am 100% certain it reaches even PMO. Attempts will be made to ID those who post 'sensitive' info here. It's ok. They know me.

hahaha....bro GD, if what you said is true, then some demi-god must be more kuku than kukubird.
He claimed to "take great pains to write in a disjointed manner, full of spelling errors, missing words and in an abrasive, arrogant and bull-shitting style to create a false persona and hide his identity".
Not too smart if he was really such a senior figure in the establishment (before).....the more you write the harder to cover your tracks......no matter how hard you try.
But then of course, he most probably is a bullshitter in the first place.....LOL.
.

 

[Forvendet]

The moment we built Changi Naval Base for the Americans, we began a major target for the Chinese.

Changi and all other naval bases in Singapore started as built by the British for the British. Singapore after independence just took over the upkeeping and upgrading. That USN can use them is another matter altogether.

Being the target for PRC is even a greater joke. USN has been using Singapore naval bases since the British retreated at the height of Vietnam War. That's like 40 years ago before even I was born. It propelled Singapore industry and logistic business. I've never heard of PRC intending or capable of invading Singapore except with hordes of whores and workers arriving at Changi Airport daily. Note that it's Changi but an airport isn't a naval base.

 

[scroobal]

That base was built from ground up and has highly classified infrastructure. It has first class submarine pens and it was not designed for any of our subs, present or future.

You are referring to Sembawang. Changi was never in the plan. Tuas was to see for at least 30 years. By the time Tuas was ready, Changi was drawn up in double quick time.

China does not have a blue water port. Geopolitics is a special area and you can't pick it up doing banking.

Changi and all other naval bases in Singapore started as built by the British for the British. Singapore after independence just took over the upkeeping and upgrading. That USN can use them is another matter altogether.

Being the target for PRC is even a greater joke. USN has been using Singapore naval bases since the British retreated at the height of Vietnam War. That's like 40 years ago before even I was born. It propelled Singapore industry and logistic business. I've never heard of PRC intending or capable of invading Singapore except with hordes of whores and workers arriving at Changi Airport daily. Note that it's Changi but an airport isn't a naval base.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Dear Scroo

Its quite obvious who will be spying on us big time within the next twenty years. The China Chinese would be using or trying to use us big time as a base to collect political, military and especially economic intelligence and integrating the three. Can't imagine what we would want to spy on the chinese for as they are way to big :_)). We should just cut a deal with the Chinese, they give us their stuff on Malaysia Indonesia Thailand, we give them whatever they want and SID can cut its budget by half .

Locke

The PRC would definitely be interested in Singapore and Singapore would be interested in them as well. Economic intelligence is one important area for us. But most importantly, we are caught in between the two giants, PRC and USA.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

PRC is not interested in invading Singapore, but just interested to destroy Singapore as the US Navy support base! During Vietnam war or Korean war, PRC didn't have ballistic missiles but now, it is a totally different ball game. Please don't live in the past.

Goh Meng Seng

Changi and all other naval bases in Singapore started as built by the British for the British. Singapore after independence just took over the upkeeping and upgrading. That USN can use them is another matter altogether.

Being the target for PRC is even a greater joke. USN has been using Singapore naval bases since the British retreated at the height of Vietnam War. That's like 40 years ago before even I was born. It propelled Singapore industry and logistic business. I've never heard of PRC intending or capable of invading Singapore except with hordes of whores and workers arriving at Changi Airport daily. Note that it's Changi but an airport isn't a naval base.

 

[kukubird58]

That base was built from ground up and has highly classified infrastructure. It has first class submarine pens and it was not designed for any of our subs, present or future.

You are referring to Sembawang. Changi was never in the plan. Tuas was to see for at least 30 years. By the time Tuas was ready, Changi was drawn up in double quick time.

China does not have a blue water port. Geopolitics is a special area and you can't pick it up doing banking.

hahaha.....what a load of rubbish.....really made me fell out of chair........
this 1 double confirmed is BS.....i will elaborate if the Bullshitter challenges me.

 

[scroobal]

This is one area where the state press and academia can help educate the public. Until these things come out in the open and there is discussion, none will be the wiser. I am not calling for state secrets to revealed but the politics of the region. How things fit and why the need for balance of power to maintain the peace.

If ever a survey was done in the streets of Singapore and 100 people were asked what is meant by the term "the sea of Malays", the chances of they knowing is close to nil. Ask them about Jack Neo's car model and 98% will know.

PRC is not interested in invading Singapore, but just interested to destroy Singapore as the US Navy support base! During Vietnam war or Korean war, PRC didn't have ballistic missiles but now, it is a totally different ball game. Please don't live in the past.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[Forvendet]

PRC is not interested in invading Singapore, but just interested to destroy Singapore as the US Navy support base! During Vietnam war or Korean war, PRC didn't have ballistic missiles but now, it is a totally different ball game. Please don't live in the past.

Goh Meng Seng

Now that you've runroad (new term I learn from Sammyboy) to PRC you begin to talk big about PRC, Cpt. Goh. Please. PRC can't even retake Taiwan just a strait away. They should try to kidnap MSK first to teach them how to cross a strait. But given Chinese track record at war and clandestine operation, they'll most likely fail and make a fool of themselves. Ballistic missile? Destroy Singapore? Keep dreaming. They love Singapore anyway. At any minute of the day, there're more than one million PRCs in Singapore in various status from PR to permit to tourist to illegal.

hahaha.....what a load of rubbish.....really made me fell out of chair........
this 1 double confirmed is BS.....i will elaborate if the Bullshitter challenges me.

I also don't understand what he's talking about. I don't want to quarrel but learning more is good, as long as not BS.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

You don't seem to understand what is meant by invading and liberate Taiwan vs attacking Singapore as US Navy supporting base! These are two different military objective. You don't just nuke the place you want to invade, conquer and occupy. But you can just nuke out your enemy's logistic supply line. And it is a well known fact that it is easier to nuke or just bomb your way instead of invading, conquering and occupying enemy's territory. This is why Desert Storm I is so successful (just bomb Iraq army all the way) while Desert Storm II where they try to conquer and occupy Iraq proved to be disastrous... Arabic version of Vietnam.

If the communist can just massacred thousands of students and civilians at Tiananmen Square just like that, do you think they care about 1 million of PRC who have left its soil? Wake up!


Goh Meng Seng

Now that you've runroad (new term I learn from Sammyboy) to PRC you begin to talk big about PRC, Cpt. Goh. Please. PRC can't even retake Taiwan just a strait away. They should try to kidnap MSK first to teach them how to cross a strait. But given Chinese track record at war and clandestine operation, they'll most likely fail and make a fool of themselves. Ballistic missile? Destroy Singapore? Keep dreaming. They love Singapore anyway. At any minute of the day, there're more than one million PRCs in Singapore in various status from PR to permit to tourist to illegal.



I also don't understand what he's talking about. I don't want to quarrel but learning more is good, as long as not BS.

 

[Forvendet]

You don't seem to understand what is meant by invading and liberate Taiwan vs attacking Singapore as US Navy supporting base! These are two different military objective. You don't just nuke the place you want to invade, conquer and occupy. But you can just nuke out your enemy's logistic supply line. And it is a well known fact that it is easier to nuke or just bomb your way instead of invading, conquering and occupying enemy's territory. This is why Desert Storm I is so successful (just bomb Iraq army all the way) while Desert Storm II where they try to conquer and occupy Iraq proved to be disastrous... Arabic version of Vietnam.

If the communist can just massacred thousands of students and civilians at Tiananmen Square just like that, do you think they care about 1 million of PRC who have left its soil? Wake up!


Goh Meng Seng

Is the Nuke Maniac Ramseth by your side now? Even if they don't mind sacrificing a million of their own, nuke Singapore for what? Sacrifice also must fetch a price. The Korean War is over and the Vietnam War is over. You wake up, Cpt.!

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

When you are fighting your own life and death, would you be bothered about others?

US and China had fought two wars in last century. There is no guarantee that they won't fight again. And this time round, it would be a matter of life and death. Nuke Singapore for what? Read more about Ancient Chinese warfare and understand their military strategic thinking process. Hitting at "soft target" such as supply line is their most common practice throughout history.

Goh Meng Seng

Is the Nuke Maniac Ramseth by your side now? Even if they don't mind sacrificing a million of their own, nuke Singapore for what? Sacrifice also must fetch a price. The Korean War is over and the Vietnam War is over. You wake up, Cpt.!

 

[scroobal]

Will try and explain.

The intention is not to take Singapore but to have access to Singapore to get to their enemy's secret. Singapore hold's a special position compared to other allies of the US. Singapore has dispensation from the Govt and Congress to acquire special technology. Only the Australians are on the same footing. Not even the Kiwis have this status. The firings coordinates for examples for the F16 and the lately acquired F15 are not restricted compared to others. This is also the major base. There is also a detachment of F15 of the US on rotation at any onetime. To make matters worse, we have a native ethnic Chinese population which are a majority and have chosen Mandarin to the be only Chinese language officially recognised. We have recruited a whole bunch of PRC teachers and researchers and the the whole lot is easier to compromise than Malaysians or Indonesians.

The PRC is the only major player that has expanded its arsenal than any other player. if you have been watching the news agencies, they have been systematically approaching ethnic scientist and defence workers who migrated decades and have become naturalised americans. I actually expected them to compromise someone senior but they seemed to have caught our spy operating in their territory instead.

Is the Nuke Maniac Ramseth by your side now? Even if they don't mind sacrificing a million of their own, nuke Singapore for what? Sacrifice also must fetch a price. The Korean War is over and the Vietnam War is over. You wake up, Cpt.!

 

[HedgeTrader]

Why you all argue until face red red? ISD catch terrorist is good what. Let terrorist then is bad!

 

[byleftcan]

If you look at Malaysian Special Branch, they are way ahead with Humint and even technicals. Raja Petra the renegade royal said he was shocked how much they knew including the meetings he had. He said that it appeared that they were also particpating at these meetings.

Malaysian Special Branch sounds like ISD. Do the Malaysians have a SID version or MSB also does overseas?

 

[Seee3]

This thread is really interesting. Not the contents though. It reveals the act blur, really blur, really know, act know....