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The woes of a Singaporean IT consultant. FAP Heard You? Nah!

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I have been working in the IT industry for over 20 years and was retrenched in 2002.
Without wasting any time, I started sending out job applications to all advertised jobs. For almost 1.5 years, I heard nothing from any of the job applications I sent out. Around that time, a lot of companies were busy outsourcing entire departments and projects to other countries and also our Government was increasingly getting more “foreign talents” into Singapore.
Three years after retrenchment and 3 small contracts later, I gained a better understanding of what was happening out there. The rules of the employment game had changed and Singaporeans might not be aware of it – experience and qualification do not count any more. Nationality plays the biggest part.
Here is my story of the 2nd contract position I took with an Indian IT body shop. In fact, I wrote to the Prime Minister’s Office about it in late 2005 and MOM subsequently replied me in early 2006, stating that they would look into it. I have not heard from them since.
In 2004, I received an urgent call for an IT consultant position for a project in KL. I took up the position and found out later that the consultant I replaced had been sacked for incompetence. He was engaged from India and the project was just starting.
This was a multi-million dollar project involving a Malaysian client, a top-notch consulting firm and a small staff of external consultants. There were about 40 people in the project team. Part of the project was outsourced to this Indian IT body shop, which brought in 3 “consultants” directly from India plus myself from Singapore. I was supposedly hired for a “6-month” period.
The Indian IT body shop could not get Malaysia work passes for the 3 Indian consultants to work in Malaysia. So, their Singapore counterpart applied Employment Passes for them in Singapore instead. On the day they failed to get Malaysia work passes, the 3 Indian consultants took a night train from KL to Singapore on a Friday night, arriving at 8.30am on Saturday morning. They then headed straight to MOM and got their Employment Passes by Monday morning. Right after that, they went back to work in this project in KL.
Throughout the project, before their maximum 30-day “social visit” in Malaysia was up, all 3 would hop onto a night train and arrive in Singapore early next morning. After some rest and window shopping (these guys never spent a cent) in Singapore, they would return back to KL the following day. They were abusing both the Singapore Employment Pass issued to them and the Malaysia “social visiting” rights accorded to them.
The Indian IT body shop was paid a considerable amount per consultant. Only a fraction of this was paid to the consultants. Before the end of the project, I was told by my Indian employer to “hurry up and finish your work because you are expensive”. Yes, I was paid more than the other 3 Indian consultants but then I did come with more than 20 years of IT experience and I knew for a fact that my team mates were nowhere nearly as experienced. On one occasion, out of utter frustration due to liquidated damages incurred, the client lined my team mates up and had a good yelling session at them, basically, for incompetence. The client paid through its nose for sub-standard quality work. The Indian IT body shop was the one laughing its way to the bank.
I had to leave within a week, after barely 5 months on the project. I was in fact, offered to stay on by the client and was also offered to work on a new project in JB by the project consulting group. I had to turn both down because I needed to come home due to family obligations. I came back to Singapore to face unemployment once again. What frustrates me is that there are plenty of such IT contract positions in Singapore but inevitably, they all seem to go straight to foreigners. I have to look outside Singapore for similar jobs but that means I will have to be away from my family. On another occasion, I even had an Indian manager telling me “only Indians can do technical jobs” (i.e., only people from India can do technical jobs). He wouldn’t even look at my resume.
During the project (forgive me but I have to share this one), I had the woeful experience of working with this Indian “talent”. He was a “technical consultant” whom I sat next to. He came with a very “impressive” resume which obviously must have impressed the client a lot. He spent a record-breaking 9 days on the project before being dismissed by the client. Just to relate how bad he was, he approached me for assistance when his laptop stopped functioning. I explained to him that his laptop battery had gone flat. Seeing a puzzled look on his face, I proceeded to take out the power cord from his laptop bag and plugged it in for him before the laptop came back up again! This may seem like an April fool’s day joke, but sadly, it isn’t. Whilst there are exceptionally good talents from India, here is a classic example of the absolute opposite.
Singaporean IT consultants are a dying breed. If the Government doesn’t do anything to stop the abuses by these foreign IT workers, there will not be any Singaporean IT people left by the next generation.
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Yours truly,
An Indian Singaporean IT Consultant
who is scared to be retrenched again!


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May 19, 2011 at 10:27 am

This revelation is very serious. Unless there is full investigation mounted by Ministry of Manpower now under Mr Tharman Shanmugaretnam this is a sad plight that awaits many Singaporeans with IT background. If an Indian IT professional gives his account and even if he feels that something is amiss than all the more reason for IDA to get involved and assure that whatever happens the rights of Singapore IT companies and Singapore IT graduates are protected. Unless they are given the chance how can they ever develop competence in the real world.
The market if left to market forces solely without the inherent checks and balances will evolve in negative ways to many unethical methods. If it is against the interests of Singapore IT companies and professionals the Regulatory Body such as IDA must do something if any positive changes are to be brought about. Any system left to market forces must ultimately be not against the interests of Singaporeans IT companies as well as professionals.
The contracting mechanism for all IT jobs both in the public and private sectors in Singapore must be re-looked and scrutinised and effective checks and balances be firmly in place. Singaporean companies, more so the SMEs and even incubating cells in the tertiary institutions, must be must be given preferential treatment in following the maxim that expertise is built in country before international forays are ever attempted, in short track record.
Even if the Singapore companies outsource gradually there must be told to include more and more Singaporeans in their employ. If not the herd instinct will dictate – Indians will recruit fellow Indians, Pinoys fellow Pinoys and so on. Familiarity in this case breeds contempt and is against the will of National integration. The unchecked abuses will only widen the gap and not close it for the good of Singaporeans. Where are our local boys ever going to gain the expertise to make regional and international forays as a logical progression towards building regional and international business.
Standard contracting practices with skewed alignments to Singaporean owned IT companies and Singapore professionals are a first positive start. Expertise is build in-country before we could even sell our expertise regionally and internationally.
Please be mindful that IT is an important strategic industry for Singapore as a service centre with international reputation. More so even more Singaporeans will be graduating in numbers. The Ministry of Manpower must assure that the playing field for Singaporean companies are level and slightly given the advantage to build the expertise.
Let us align ourselves that the Ministry of Manpower together with the Ministry of Trade and together with the Ministry of Education will assure such a platform that would not allow such archaic contracting practices to destroy professionalism and the development of our local IT industry to great heights. This can only be effectively done with in-country contracts and services be given more to these Singapore companies so that they can really develop to achieve the reputation for regional and overseas business. In addition our tertiary institutions from ITE, Polytechnics and Universities are increasing churning out IT graduates. The IT market place must be made more Singaporean friendly so that the succeeding batches of students will be able to build niches and exposure to take on more challenging higher value adding tasks.
Let us remain united in achieving these goals for the good of the Nation now and for the future.

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May 19, 2011 at 11:08 am

I totally agree with the writer. I have gone through the same situation in 2008.
I too find the Indians from India very arrogant. They talk as if they know every thing. There are many degree mill in India, this was told to me by the Indian from India themselves. God knows how many of this ppl are having fake degree.
Government should really stop the foreigners from taking up White collar jobs.
At time I receive calls from recruitment firms, Sadly that too ladies from India or Philippines. Now the new trend is 90% of the jobs are contract positions. How a person can think of excelling in his career with such a position. His mind will be pre occupied of what is going to happen end of the contract.
As a native minority, at times I feel as if Im a 3rd class citizen in my own land. It also make me think back of me serving the nation two and half years of NS and four and a half years as a regular.
Is it really worth?


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May 19, 2011 at 11:18 am

This story is quite true and there are many real stories which are worse than this story happen in Singapore due to mass import of fake FT but lack of checking by MOM and unfair competition environment unnoticely provided by the current policies.
The downfall of local professional due to unethetical policies which sacrify the quality and experience of the local profession.

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IT professionals will not be alone to face these woes. :(

India presses Singapore to open up services sector

NEW DELHI: India has asked Singapore to open up more services to allow a greater number of Indian professionals access the island nation’s cost accountancy and hospitality sectors. A comprehensive bilateral trade agreement between the two countries is being reviewed. “We want to take advantage of the second review to get more in services and are exploring all possibilities,” a commerce department official told ET.

Besides requesting Singapore to take deeper commitments in medical, health-related and education services, India needs to ask for expanding the existing list of 127 occupations by which professionals are allowed entry into Singapore, pointed out Amit Mitra, secretary general, Ficci. “The additional list has to include chefs, physiotherapists, nurses, school teachers, nutritionists, professionals in entertainment and hospitality sectors,” he said.

India has stepped up pressure on professional bodies from services sectors such as chartered accountancy and architecture to engage with their counterparts in Singapore to create conditions for implementing liberal rules already provided for in the bilateral pact entered into in 2005.

What is weighing on India’s mind most is the inability of professional councils from both sides to take advantage of what has already been offered in the CECA. According to estimates made by industry body CII, services exports from India to Singapore has gone up by 143% in 2008 to $1.5 billion after the implementation of the CECA.

The potential of increasing services exports to Singapore is huge as the country’s annual imports of services stands at around $80 billion. The second review of the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement or CECA started in May this year and is likely to continue for a year following which changes would be made to the existing agreement.

The CECA provides for mutual recognition agreements (MRAs) allowing professionals in nursing, dentistry, medicines, architecture and accountancy to practice in the other country purely on the basis of the qualifications acquired in the home country. Rules for finalising MRAs have not been framed as professionals in the respective sectors have not shown much initiative to take the process ahead.

“During the second review, we are very serious about ensuring that professional councils meet and the rules get framed,” the official pointed out. The governments finally made a few of the professional councils meet during the first review meeting last month in Singapore and they will meet again in New Delhi later this month.


http://articles.economictimes.india...rehensive-economic-cooperation-agreement-mras

Indian teachers in demand in Singapore schools
SINGAPORE: Indian teachers are most sought after in Singapore schools with increasing number of teachers being recruited to teach not only Indian languages but also other subjects.

Over 70 teachers from India have been hired in the past four years and another 10 teachers from the country are set to teach in the city schools later this year as the Education Ministry seeks out international educationists to boost its teaching force, The Straits Times reported today.

"It's logical to hire from India because they are culturally much closer to us," Singapore's Academy of Principals dean Belinda Charles was quoted as saying by the daily.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-in-singapore-schools/articleshow/7897157.cms

Doctors being recruited from China

SINGAPORE - The first six arrived last month. Come August, there will be another 15.

The entry of these medical officers from China marks the success of the Ministry of Health's recent recruitment drives in the country to supplement the pool of doctors here, an MOH spokesperson told MediaCorp.

The first batch of six medical officers, who have been placed in various public hospitals such as the Singapore General Hospital, come from a list of eight accredited Chinese universities. As medical officers here, they qualify as doctors and will be trained further, for instance, in the specialist track or as a family physicians.

China is now a source for doctors, after a gradual expansion of the list of accredited medical schools, which now numbers 160. Other countries with a number of newly-recognised universities include Taiwan and Japan.

Last year, the authorities were "quite successful" in recruiting some 300 foreign graduates, largely from the United Kingdom and Australia, Health Minister Khaw Boon Wan told MediaCorp.

Referring to the most recent arrivals, he said: "There are top medical schools, too, in China and we're starting to tap this source to supplement our pool."

Overall, doctors from overseas comprised 26 per cent of the 8,820 doctors here at the end of last year, with the majority from Malaysia and India.

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC110416-0000309/Doctors-being-recruited-from-China
 
I was told by my Indian employer to “hurry up and finish your work because you are expensive”. Yes, I was paid more than the other 3 Indian consultants but then I did come with more than 20 years of IT experience and I knew for a fact that my team mates were nowhere nearly as experienced.

It doesn't matter as to how many years of experience you bring to the table. You are still expensive, and that's the main and only problem.

I was in fact, offered to stay on by the client and was also offered to work on a new project in JB by the project consulting group. I had to turn both down because I needed to come home due to family obligations. I came back to Singapore to face unemployment once again. What frustrates me is that there are plenty of such IT contract positions in Singapore but inevitably, they all seem to go straight to foreigners. I have to look outside Singapore for similar jobs but that means I will have to be away from my family.

So this is your fault. You turned down their kind offer and so, don't complain now. Relocating to another country to work is the new requirement for jobs in this new age. Your forefathers I'm sure, didn't whine and bitch as much as you do when they had to do the same. And stop sulking like a pussy. Family, family. Pfft. Probably you prefer to stay with a see your damned family everyday with no money to give to them. You are not rational, let alone capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You and those Chinese are problematic. Coming back and all and turning down offers because of your stupid friends and families - what a sign of weakness and uselessness!
 
there will not be any Singaporean IT people left by the next generation.

That's not important. Because you are suggesting an untrue picture. I also used to know some people who are in the IT line and they know how to get jobs and survive, so what makes you so special?
 
Fucking Ah Neh shit!

It doesn't matter as to how many years of experience you bring to the table. You are still expensive, and that's the main and only problem.

Fuck your mother chow cheebye, what price can you give to years of eperience compare to your fake degree. If India Inidan is good you will not be coming to Singapore to lower your arse to be fucked for little money. Nin lau bu eh chee bye, you want to compete in lower pay why not ask for the same pay if you think you are good. Tan wah tiu at you is it?


So this is your fault. You turned down their kind offer and so, don't complain now. Relocating to another country to work is the new requirement for jobs in this new age. Your forefathers I'm sure, didn't whine and bitch as much as you do when they had to do the same. And stop sulking like a pussy. Family, family. Pfft. Probably you prefer to stay with a see your damned family everyday with no money to give to them. You are not rational, let alone capable of seeing the bigger picture.

You and those Chinese are problematic. Coming back and all and turning down offers because of your stupid friends and families - what a sign of weakness and uselessness!

You fucking India Ah Nehs go everywhere give troubles to people and you are a problematic race! You want to be paid for fucking someone daughter in marriages, whose fucking idea is it, your Siva or Buddha?
 
It doesn't matter as to how many years of experience you bring to the table. You are still expensive, and that's the main and only problem.



So this is your fault. You
You and those Chinese are problematic. Coming back and all and turning down offers because of your stupid friends and families - what a sign of weakness and uselessness!

Yours truly,
An Indian Singaporean IT Consultant
who is scared to be retrenched again!

Cheebye keling shit,

u cannot read is it? fuck u. that guy that wrote it is a fellow spore indian. what chinese. fuck u again keling shit :oIo::oIo:
 
slurpincock should be ignored like the rubbish that he is. Probably another useless IT failure like cooleo and the Oriental Asses - all ugly and worthless.

He can slurp cocks for all he wants together with those failures mentioned, I will just ignore him.
 
This ITrash is voluntarily unemployed

He had a job offer but he rejected it because his father is fucking his wife at home or what?

What a fucking wimp
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Buddha was not an Indian. Leave him out of this argument.

You fucking India Ah Nehs go everywhere give troubles to people and you are a problematic race! You want to be paid for fucking someone daughter in marriages, whose fucking idea is it, your Siva or Buddha?
 
guys!!! there must be some FTA agreement by our so well love out going foreign minister georgie yeo signed with india that make us gotta accept tonnes and tonnes of foreign trash from them. gov all covered up!!! if this is true and expose, i tell u. pap will lost all their seats in the pariahment in one GE. even lky himself.
 
i dont think every single forum kpkb for so long with so many pap mole, isd and other authorities monitoring the web the gov dont know about whats happening??? sure got some hidden agreement that they signed with india that they gotta accept so many trash like a dumping ground from the india trash land. pap will pay the political price with it, lky and gang will name as traitors of Singapore in our history down the road!!! 卖国贼!!!
 
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