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Homebuyers already locked out of market
George Megalogenis From: The Australian March 29, 2010 7:20AM 30

OFFICIAL forecasts for the nation's housing shortage have worsened, with more than 100,000 prospective homebuyers already locked out of the market by June 30 last year.

The ongoing gap between demand and supply will be greater than previously feared, as all levels of government and the building industry struggle to keep up with Australia's world-beating population growth.

By 2029, the combined shortfall could reach 500,000 homes and apartments.

The housing shortage is most critical in NSW, which accounts for almost one third of the nation's total population but is contributing less than 20 per cent of the nation's new dwelling starts at the moment.

There is concern at senior official levels that Sydney is about to experience another debilitating price boom as rising demand coincides with inadequate dwelling stock.

The report of the Rudd Government's national housing supply council, to be released next month, will show that estimates for the existing shortage and the gap from here on have been revised up after a switch to a more detailed formula.

The global financial crisis has added to the problem as property developers were squeezed for funds in 2008-09.

Australia is building fewer houses per head of population growth than at any time on record, according to new research from economist Saul Eslake.

Last year there were just 333 dwellings completed for every 1000 increase in population, less than half the rate that applied 10 years earlier, Mr Eslake said.

Population pressures are creating a perfect political storm across federal, state and local governments as rising prices lock out first-time buyers, lower-income earners face rental stress as they are forced to compete with the middle class, and public services such as schools, hospitals and transport are stretched.

One measure of the affordability crisis is that average home loan sizes in Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia have now caught up with those in what was traditionally the nation's hottest market, NSW.

Wayne Swan used his weekly economic note to talk down the idea of population growth for its own sake.

"Whether it be population growth or economic growth, growth should always be about making tangible improvements to the quality of life of Australians over time," the Treasurer said.

"For us to make sure that happens, the answer isn't to stop growing, but to grow differently -- to grow intelligently and sustainably."

The defensive language confirms a paradox of Australia's claim to being the only First World nation to avoid the GFC -- voters want growth, but without the extra people that come with it.

Last week the Bureau of Statistics confirmed that Australia's population grew 2.1 per cent last year, almost double the world average of 1.1 per cent.

On present trends, Australia's population of 22 million would rise to 34 million by 2050.

Kevin Rudd has talked up the idea of federal intervention in planning cities.

Writing in The Australian today, Queensland Premier Anna Bligh says Canberra should provide a national population and infrastructure plan.

"Most importantly, the plan should include nationally consistent projections for future births and migration numbers," she writes. "After all, how can state and local governments plan effectively unless we know the population size we are planning for, and the infrastructure funding that will support the growth?"

Ms Bligh confirms the potential for a public backlash on population growth. "I can understand the attraction of saying, `Enough is enough: close the borders and cap the population'," she says.

But the Premier says it would be impractical to stop Queensland's population from growing because that would require the deportation of 9600 residents a year to offset natural increase, as well as punitive house prices and the introduction of death duties to deter new arrivals.

Federal Labor sources say the Labor states have consistently underestimated population growth. But they blame the Howard Government for not taking a more active interest in land supply issues at state level, a position they did not hold in opposition, when they publicly defended the record of Labor states.

Over the past decade, when a federal Coalition government faced coast-to-coast state Labor governments, the average annual rate of new dwellings completed was just 538 for every 1000 increase in population. This compared with averages of 708 per 1000 for the 1990s and 585 per 1000 for the 1980s.

Federal Housing Minister Tanya Plibersek said the supply problem was years in the making.

"It was left in the too-hard basket by the previous government and was made worse by reduced access to finance during the global recession," Ms Plibersek said.

"Reduced access to finance slowed building, particularly in the multi-unit sector.

"The Government fully understands the social and economic consequences of a lack of supply of affordable housing. That's why our housing policies are directed at increasing supply and why housing construction featured strongly in our stimulus package."
 
About 20 per cent of Canadians struggle to afford their homes, study finds

1 hour, 14 minutes ago
By The Canadian Press


OTTAWA - A new study from an Ottawa-based economic think-tank suggests that about 20 per cent of Canadians are struggling to afford the homes they're living in and that national productivity is suffering as a result.

The Conference Board of Canada says three-quarters of Canadians are living in homes they can afford, while about five per cent live in housing subsidized by the government.

That leaves about 20 per cent of people who are struggling to cope with the cost of their homes.

The conference board says this group often sacrifices key expenses, such as nutritious food, in order to keep up.

The board says such decisions adversely affects the health of Canadians and lowers national productivity.

The Conference Board defines housing as unaffordable if it consumes more than 30 per cent of a family's pre-tax income.
 
Homebuyers already locked out of market
George Megalogenis From: The Australian March 29, 2010 7:20AM 30

OFFICIAL forecasts for the nation's housing shortage have worsened, with more than 100,000 prospective homebuyers already locked out of the market by June 30 last year.

"The Government fully understands the social and economic consequences of a lack of supply of affordable housing. That's why our housing policies are directed at increasing supply and why housing construction featured strongly in our stimulus package."

Yo Neddy, this is no surprise.. not a rocket science discovery.. Supply and Demand factor, dude.. If my prediction is right the property prices will jump 100% by 2011/2012 and it is likely to jump again when 1-2 million population is added into Melbourne, same goes with Perth ;)

We have an unstoppable economy... 3 cheers for us!
 
Yo Neddy, this is no surprise.. not a rocket science discovery.. Supply and Demand factor, dude.. If my prediction is right the property prices will jump 100% by 2011/2012 and it is likely to jump again when 1-2 million population is added into Melbourne, same goes with Perth ;)

We have an unstoppable economy... 3 cheers for us!

The State is building a brand new city on the Top End to cope.
Make sense since the projects will run well into over 30 years.
 
When I look at how prices are jumping up in Perth, I'm glad I bit the bullet and picked up an investment property late last year.

Now just relax and watch it pay itself off...

One more recession in 5 years time and I can retire liao...
 
The State is building a brand new city on the Top End to cope.
Make sense since the projects will run well into over 30 years.

Hmmm.. the State ? Which State - Western Australia ?

Yes, our unstoppable economy will grow for 20-30yrs.. unless ppl stop buying gas & iron ore from us.. it looks highly unlikely.. hehehe
 
Yo Neddy, this is no surprise.. not a rocket science discovery.. Supply and Demand factor, dude.. If my prediction is right the property prices will jump 100% by 2011/2012 and it is likely to jump again when 1-2 million population is added into Melbourne, same goes with Perth ;)

We have an unstoppable economy... 3 cheers for us!

yes 100% higher! from 8X average income to 16X! higher than tokyo, london, etc....already highest in world! soon to be 2X highest in world!

well done Australia!

and its unstoppable! it will go up and up and up and up and up and there is no end in sight! 20X the average income to buy a home soon! and the bank will say you "only" have to earn 300K a year to buy an average home!

the collapse will be catastrophic.
 
yes 100% higher! from 8X average income to 16X! higher than tokyo, london, etc....already highest in world! soon to be 2X highest in world!

well done Australia!

and its unstoppable! it will go up and up and up and up and up and there is no end in sight! 20X the average income to buy a home soon! and the bank will say you "only" have to earn 300K a year to buy an average home!

the collapse will be catastrophic.

The fact that the property prices have not been wildly volatile (compared to China) point to a few things.

1. There are vested interests in this that allow the property prices to remain high, in fact, the highest in the world.

2. Knowing how the Aussie property market works, it will take a earth shaking event to cause a price collapse (eg mass unemployment, massive Aussie migrant population movement away from the continent or interstate movement )

3. The Aussie govt is taking actions to prevent the kind of speculative buying like in Singapore. Foreigners, watch out. At present, over 50 cases are being investigated by Foreign Investment Review. FIRB may re-tighten foreign purchase of established properties.

4. Glenn Steven's latest warnings to those cash-up rural pastoral and baby boomers, as well as tomorrow outcome of the RBA board meeting.

Meanwhile, property train have left the station for those looking to start their property journey.
 
yes 100% higher! from 8X average income to 16X! higher than tokyo, london, etc....already highest in world! soon to be 2X highest in world!

well done Australia!

and its unstoppable! it will go up and up and up and up and up and there is no end in sight! 20X the average income to buy a home soon! and the bank will say you "only" have to earn 300K a year to buy an average home!

the collapse will be catastrophic.

You must be poorly informed.. let me explain..
"Income" may refer to single or combined income, often ppl refer it as 'household income'. In all major cities such as SG, HK, NY, London etc they hv at least 2 incomes supporting their primary house.. Both mummy and daddy are working.

In Australia, we are lucky to have mummy not working.. our govt is supporting it by giving away child care benefits..:D In my suburb, mummy working is a shameful thing. Generally, they considered parents to be irresponsible if they dump their kids to before/after care.. We do not have a problem on affordability once both mummy and daddy are working..

Please look closely at Shanghai, HK and SG.. Australia is still consider cheap for a freehold product !
 
The fact that the property prices have not been wildly volatile (compared to China) point to a few things.

1. There are vested interests in this that allow the property prices to remain high, in fact, the highest in the world.

2. Knowing how the Aussie property market works, it will take a earth shaking event to cause a price collapse (eg mass unemployment, massive Aussie migrant population movement away from the continent or interstate movement )

3. The Aussie govt is taking actions to prevent the kind of speculative buying like in Singapore. Foreigners, watch out. At present, over 50 cases are being investigated by Foreign Investment Review. FIRB may re-tighten foreign purchase of established properties.

4. Glenn Steven's latest warnings to those cash-up rural pastoral and baby boomers, as well as tomorrow outcome of the RBA board meeting.

Meanwhile, property train have left the station for those looking to start their property journey.

If the govt can somehow release more land for development and increase supply then sure, you might avoid a crash - especially in a graduated and controlled manner. Get rid of prescriptive planning for god's sake. Should this occur only modest price increases will occur but you effectively manage the bubble through future demand.

I dont know if elections are coming up or not but if nothing is done the bubble will burst at some point. Time for accountability.
 
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You must be poorly informed.. let me explain..
"Income" may refer to single or combined income, often ppl refer it as 'household income'. In all major cities such as SG, HK, NY, London etc they hv at least 2 incomes supporting their primary house.. Both mummy and daddy are working.

In Australia, we are lucky to have mummy not working.. our govt is supporting it by giving away child care benefits..:D In my suburb, mummy working is a shameful thing. Generally, they considered parents to be irresponsible if they dump their kids to before/after care.. We do not have a problem on affordability once both mummy and daddy are working..

Please look closely at Shanghai, HK and SG.. Australia is still consider cheap for a freehold product !

Dual income syndrome is not endemic you fool. I dont see that in the USA. Lots of American housewives still enjoying life while thier Australian counterparts are working like dogs! Imagine how much husband + wife must make should house prices increase 100%! I suppose every husband and wife in Australia will have NO PROBLEM making only 200-300K income per year! No worries! Tax on 200-300K? 40+%!

So no problem for you, you moron. Just get you and your wives parents to slave away everyday and have 6 people working just to afford a stupid australia house when the same thing is available for 1/4 the price in the USA. Congrats to you, you live in hell and sounds alot like Japan! Just do as the Japs do, have your children guarantee the house payment so you can burden your children! Morons!
 

Please let me explain to this moron again.. You often compare the hse prices in Eastern suburb, it is like comparing it to Nassim Hills or 6th Ave in BT. There are plenty of good affordable houses in Melbourne such as Geelong, Melton, Sunbury etc.. avg prices about 200k-300k.. otherwise, get a govt housing - its free ! I'm glad you started to worry for my children.. the world shall be our home, do you honestly think we will stop in Melbourne ? Haha.. If my wifey agrees, I'll apply for Canada straight away ! Moving is such an easy thing to do..
 
Sigh, I miss it when Scroobal was around as moderator. Looks like its same old again now. Oei, you guys don't play with the trolls lah.
 
Sigh, I miss it when Scroobal was around as moderator. Looks like its same old again now. Oei, you guys don't play with the trolls lah.

I hope scroobal can kick him out.. sooner or later we'll see the troll becomes civilize again..
 
If the govt can somehow release more land for development and increase supply then sure, you might avoid a crash - especially in a graduated and controlled manner. Get rid of prescriptive planning for god's sake. Should this occur only modest price increases will occur but you effectively manage the bubble through future demand.

I dont know if elections are coming up or not but if nothing is done the bubble will burst at some point. Time for accountability.

Nothing to do with releasing more land. There are a lot more land releases, but no one want to move there. Perth metro area is now 8 times bigger than Singapore. Who wants to live in Lancelin?

It is just about a city growing bigger and has enough wealth to maintain the prices despite another expected interest rate hike today. It is the same everywhere, including the US.

The trouble is that people want to live where the jobs are.

Maybe the IT experts out there can make tele-commuting a 21st century advancement. Already, my organisation is going to be a skype cloud computing environment.


As for the second part of the question.
Bubbles burstings are part of America's lifestyle, Not so pronounced in Australia's quarry economy.
America is suffering simply because the people overspent. All the goodies you have been writing about are caused by the credit bubbles.
The check and balances of the US system has failed because Americans do not like big government.
So, the government, its sponsors (Wall St) are caught in a mass fraud orgy to relieve the taxpayers of their money.
This financial tsumani is nothing compared to the coming US Great Depression.

In one of the Great Socialist event, US Treasury shifted the bad debts from private organisations into the public purse. Wow!
Now the Tea Party advocates are telling the US govt to stop interfering in their lives, but *read this* they still want the government to create jobs for them. Does it make sense?
Accountability is currently a great failing of US money politics.
 
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More property stress. The more people, the more property price will rise with the demand. My colleague, which has already paid a deposit for a newly build unit, he has to wait another 2-3 years for it to be build, is looking for a another house now because the wife just got pregnant. He is desperate to move into a house before the baby arrives. whaahahah

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-population-to-top-6m-in-2036-report-20100406-ro4i.html


Sydney population to top 6m in 2036: report
April 6, 2010 - 11:52AM
Sydney's population is projected to soar over the next 26 years while coastal and some inland regions of NSW also set for strong population growth, a government report shows.

The report, compiled by the NSW Planning Department, forecasts the city's population to rise to six million by 2036, resulting in a 40 per cent gain from 4.3 million in 2006.

The state's overall population will increase by a third, to 9.1 million, according to the report which is based on data from the 2006 census.

About 40 per cent of the overall rise will be driven by net migration, the New South Wales State and Regional Population Projections 2006-2036 report released on Tuesday.

The outstanding 60 per cent will occur because of natural increases - calculated by subtracting overall deaths from births.

"These population projections allow all levels of government to know and plan for the challenges facing us over the next 25 years - be it to reverse decline in some rural areas or meet the needs of a booming population in high-growth areas," NSW Minister for Planning Tony Kelly said in a statement.

Mr Kelly said the projections were not targets but projections based on existing demographic information.

Among the biggest regional increases, Maitland's population is expected to rise 71 per cent, Palerang shire, east of Canberra, is set to go up by 69 per cent and Queanbeyan is expected to rise 72 per cent.

In Sydney 69 per cent of the population increase will be caused by natural growth. The remaining amount will be from net migration, the report says.

The population in southwestern suburb Camden is predicted to explode, rising 390 per cent to 249,800 by 2036.

Mr Kelly said the population increases in regional NSW would boost the state economy.

Federal Treasury recently forecast the nation's overall population to balloon to almost 36 million by 2050, from about 22 million today.

Mr Kelly is due to comment further on the NSW report later on Tuesday.

AAP
 
Nothing to do with releasing more land. There are a lot more land releases, but no one want to move there. Perth metro area is now 8 times bigger than Singapore. Who wants to live in Lancelin?

It is just about a city growing bigger and has enough wealth to maintain the prices despite another expected interest rate hike today. It is the same everywhere, including the US.

The trouble is that people want to live where the jobs are.

Maybe the IT experts out there can make tele-commuting a 21st century advancement. Already, my organisation is going to be a skype cloud computing environment.


As for the second part of the question.
Bubbles burstings are part of America's lifestyle, Not so pronounced in Australia's quarry economy.
America is suffering simply because the people overspent. All the goodies you have been writing about are caused by the credit bubbles.
The check and balances of the US system has failed because Americans do not like big government.
So, the government, its sponsors (Wall St) are caught in a mass fraud orgy to relieve the taxpayers of their money.
This financial tsumani is nothing compared to the coming US Great Depression.

In one of the Great Socialist event, US Treasury shifted the bad debts from private organisations into the public purse. Wow!
Now the Tea Party advocates are telling the US govt to stop interfering in their lives, but *read this* they still want the government to create jobs for them. Does it make sense?
Accountability is currently a great failing of US money politics.

Thats interesting - Australia's Quarry economy is somehow immune to the Capitalistic boom and bust cycle. Are you saying the Japanese are guilty of following the American system - which resulted in the "lost decade"? I would lend credence to your statement - had your growth been of the slow, sustainable persuasion. I remember well the net effect of crumbling commodity prices and the subsequent busts that have happened in times past.

So I have one simple question for you: As you are aware, the US Fed has kept US$ interest rates at 0 - 0.25 for well over a year. What will happen to the price of commodities AND the A$ when the Fed hikes interest rates back to 4-5% due to the massive tidal wave of impeding inflation? Given the US and Euro economies will take many years to recover - and China will not revert to its pre crisis purchasing - how sustainable is this growth?

The Australian Master Plan seeks to prevent urban sprawl - to conserve resources. Expanding the boundaries of Perth is a natural byproduct of rising property prices. People want to move to cheaper housing or thier jobs etc. Yet its expensive because the Australia Government through its prescriptive planning policies wishes to deter you from exanding such sprawl. Food for thought.
 
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Thats interesting - Australia's Quarry economy is somehow immune to the Capitalistic boom and bust cycle.
(I did not mention the natural boom/bust. I am referring to hot money from govt stimulus. Have you seen the roller-coaster Shanghai A shares??? Commodity boom and bust vs wild volatility post 2004)
Are you saying the Japanese are guilty of following the American system - which resulted in the "lost decade"?
(The Plaza Accord 1985 said it all.)
I would lend credence to your statement - had your growth been of the slow, sustainable persuasion. I remember well the net effect of crumbling commodity prices and the subsequent busts that have happened in times past.
(The energy sector signing 30 years contracts. The middle classing of India and China. )
So I have one simple question for you: As you are aware, the US Fed has kept US$ interest rates at 0 - 0.25 for well over a year. What will happen to the price of commodities AND the A$ when the Fed hikes interest rates back to 4-5% due to the massive tidal wave of impeding inflation?
(USA will be in greater trouble when high interest rates cannot reverse its inflation. Australia will be in trouble if China raise interest rate or keep its currency at present value)


Given the US and Euro economies will take many years to recover - and China will not revert to its pre crisis purchasing - how sustainable is this growth?
(China will have take the slack and pull along the remaining forgotten 2/3 of its population. Otherwise Australia will be in trouble)


The Australian Master Plan seeks to prevent urban sprawl - to conserve resources. Expanding the boundaries of Perth is a natural byproduct of rising property prices. People want to move to cheaper housing or thier jobs etc. Yet its expensive because the Australia Government through its prescriptive planning policies wishes to deter you from exanding such sprawl. Food for thought.
(I reckon that Aussie may end up following America in having permanent renters - modern day nomads in search of jobs whereever they are. This group of nomads will be responsible for reducing unemployment by a few percentage points. Is the German solution fair dinkum?)
 
Hmmm.. someone started to be civilised ! What a rare occassion ! Its time for me to buy Toto !!
 
My colleague, which has already paid a deposit for a newly build unit, he has to wait another 2-3 years for it to be build, is looking for a another house now because the wife just got pregnant. He is desperate to move into a house before the baby arrives. whaahahah

So he is going to flip the unit then? Or he has enough cash to afford two deposits? 0_0

I know this may sound like the PAP, but I think Australians will have to inevitably "moderate their expectations" as housing affordability decreases. Focus on short term sacrifices for long term gains.

For myself, I don't plan to move to a house until my kid is 3 or 4 years old. Babies won't notice the lack of space anyway :cool:
 
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