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Vladimir Putin needs to be assassinated

They never intended for Ukraine to join NATO. The US just need Europe and Asia to be in a mess. First Ukraine, next Taiwan. US and UK are the winners and sadly, they have achieved their goal. Euro is screwed. Russia supplies 2/3 of European countries natural gas and now, EU will have to buy them from US at 2x the price. Oil prices have spiked and US can now sell their reserves and oil they stole from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US has been provoking the Chinese for the longest time but China has shown tremendous restrains over Taiwan. Only left if for Taiwan to cross that red line like what Ukraine did.
Russia supplies only 40% of Europe's gas requirement. Get your facts right.

US don't need to sell their oil reserves. Norway is another potential supplier and it has vast amount of supplies, although I admit that it's not as much as Russia's supply to Europe. At the worst scenario, the Saudis, which is much more nearer, will know how to complement. Don't need to go all the way to the US.

Since when does Taiwan's sovereignty belongs to China in the first place? If China wants to argue in this manner, then the CCP should have gone over to Taiwan to claim it back from CKS back in 1948/9 and not to do it only today. What restrains need there be? On the same pretext, they can also claim that Malacca now belongs to them and all hell will break loose in this way.

And by the way, what red line did Ukraine crossed of late? Are they accepted into NATO yet? As you yourself had rightly puts it: "They never intended for Ukraine to join NATO". So, why are you contradicting yourself?

All these fucking Commie countries are like that. They gave away their lands when there were once weak but now that they are stronger, they will want to backtrack (we always like to say: to argue using Indian calculus) and claimed them back. Unless there are legitimate official treaties signed (eg: Hong Kong and Macau), otherwise, where got such thing in this world? If this is allowed, then Malaysia can also, and is fully entitled, to claim back Sinkie Land one day. Is this justified? Similarly, the US had also belonged to the UK once upon a time. So, does that mean that the UK still has sovereignty over the US this present day? How absurd indeed?
 
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Russians Now See a New Side to Putin: Dragging Them Into War​

Anton Troianovski
Sat, 26 February 2022, 3:00 am·7-min read

Buildings at the Russian Defense Ministry in Moscow, Feb. 18, 2022. (Sergey Ponomarev/The New York Times)

Buildings at the Russian Defense Ministry in Moscow, Feb. 18, 2022. (Sergey Ponomarev/The New York Times)

MOSCOW — Russians thought they knew their president.

They were wrong.


And by Thursday, it appeared too late to do anything about it.

For most of his 22-year rule, Vladimir Putin presented an aura of calm determination at home — of an ability to astutely manage risk to navigate the world’s biggest country through treacherous shoals. His attack on Ukraine negated that image and revealed him as an altogether different leader: one dragging the nuclear superpower he helms into a war with no foreseeable conclusion, one that by all appearances will end Russia’s attempts over its three post-Soviet decades to find a place in a peaceful world order.

Russians awoke in shock after they learned that Putin, in an address to the nation that aired before 6 a.m., had ordered a full-scale assault against what Russians of all political stripes often refer to as their “brotherly nation.”


There was no spontaneous pro-war jubilation. Instead, liberal-leaning public figures who for years tried to compromise with and adapt to Putin’s creeping authoritarianism found themselves reduced to posting on social media about their opposition to a war they had no way to stop.

Other Russians expressed themselves more openly. From St. Petersburg to Siberia, thousands took to city streets chanting, “No to war!” clips posted on social media showed, despite an overwhelming presence by police officers. OVD Info, a rights group, said more than 1,700 people were arrested across the country.

And in Moscow’s foreign policy establishment, where analysts overwhelmingly characterized Putin’s military buildup around Ukraine as an elaborate and astute bluff in recent months, many admitted Thursday that they had monumentally misjudged a man they had spent decades studying.

Everything that we believed turned out to be wrong,” said one such analyst, insisting on anonymity because he was at a loss over what to say.

I don’t understand the motivations, the goals or the possible results,” said another. “What is happening is very strange.”

“I’ve always tried to understand Putin,” said a third analyst, Tatiana Stanovaya of the political analysis firm R. Politik.

But now, she said, the usefulness of logic seemed at a limit.

He has become less pragmatic and more emotional,” Stanovaya said.

On state television, Putin’s most powerful propaganda tool, the Kremlin tried to project an air of normalcy. The state-run news media characterized Thursday’s invasion as not a war but a “special military operation” limited to eastern Ukraine. Putin was shown meeting with the visiting prime minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, as if he were still shrewdly carrying on his day-to-day business.

“This is not the beginning of a war,” Maria Zakharova, the foreign ministry’s spokesperson, said on television. “Our desire is to prevent developments that could escalate into a global war.”

Meanwhile, Russia’s stock market plummeted by 35%, and ATMs ran short of dollars. On the country’s internet, still mostly uncensored, Russians saw their vaunted military sow carnage in a country in which millions of them had relatives and friends.

“The world has turned upside down,” said Anastasia, 44, protesting the war in central Moscow Thursday evening despite an imposing presence of riot police officers, and bursting into tears. She gave only her first name for fear of reprisal. “I cannot even imagine the consequences; this is a catastrophe.”

Many Russians had bought into the Kremlin’s narrative that theirs was a peace-loving country and Putin a careful and calculating leader. After all, many Russians still believe, it was Putin who lifted their country out of the poverty and chaos of the 1990s and made it into a place with a decent standard of living and worthy of international respect.

It’s so strange that Russia could attack anyone,” a 60-year-old pensioner said Thursday as she walked through the breathtaking Moscow park, Zaryadye, that international architects designed before the soccer World Cup Russia hosted in 2018. “This has never happened before in history.”

Like many Thursday, she declined to reveal her name for fear that the outbreak of war could bring with it a new crackdown on people’s freedoms.

One of the country’s ever-dwindling number of rights activists, Marina Litvinovich, called for an anti-war protest to be held in Moscow on Thursday evening and was promptly arrested. Police buses and riot police descended on Pushkin Square, where she had urged people to gather. An actor posted a directive from his state-run Moscow theater claiming that “any negative commentary” about the war would be seen by authorities as “treason.”

In the past three months, as U.S. officials warned that Putin’s troop buildup was a prelude to an invasion, Russians dismissed such talk as the West's failure to understand their president’s fundamental determination to manage risk and avoid rash moves with unpredictable consequences. And with leading opposition figures imprisoned or exiled, there were few figures with the influence to organize an anti-war movement.

Some public figures with ties to the government reversed course, although they recognized it was too late. Ivan Urgant, the most prominent late-night comedian on state television, had ridiculed the idea of a looming war on his show earlier this month. On Thursday he posted a black square on Instagram along with the words: “Fear and pain.”

Ksenia Sobchak, another television celebrity whose father was mayor of St. Petersburg and a 1990s mentor to Putin, posted on Instagram that from now on she would only “believe in the worst possible scenarios” about her country’s future. Days earlier, she had praised Putin as a “grown-up, adequate politician” compared to his Ukrainian and U.S. counterparts.

We are now all trapped in this situation,” she wrote Thursday. “There is no exit. We Russians will spend many years digging out from the consequences of this day.”
During the pandemic, analysts had noticed a change in Putin — a man who isolated himself in a bubble of social distancing without parallel among Western leaders. In isolation, he appeared to become more aggrieved and more emotional and increasingly spoke about his mission in stark historical terms. His public remarks descended ever deeper into distorted historiography as he spoke of the need to right perceived historical wrongs suffered by Russia over the centuries at the hands of the West.

Political scientist Gleb Pavlovsky, a close adviser to Putin until falling out with him in 2011, said he was stunned by the president’s dark description of Ukraine as a dire threat to Russia in his hourlong speech to the nation Monday.

“I have no clue where he got all that; he seems to be reading something totally strange,” Pavlovsky said. “He’s become an isolated man, more isolated than Stalin was.”
Stanovaya, the analyst, said she now felt that Putin’s heightened obsession with history in recent years had become key to understanding his motivation. After all, the war against Ukraine appeared impossible to explain strategically, since it had no clear resolution and would inevitably only increase anti-Russian sentiment abroad and escalate Russia’s confrontation with the NATO alliance.

“Putin has brought himself to a place in which he sees it as more important, more interesting, more compelling to fight for restoring historical justice than for Russia’s strategic priorities,” Stanovaya said. “This morning, I realized that a certain shift has taken place.”


She said that by all appearances, the ruling elite around Putin did not realize that Thursday’s war was coming and was uncertain about how to respond. Beyond state television personalities and pro-Kremlin politicians, few prominent Russians spoke out in support of the war.

But that, she said, did not mean that Putin risked any kind of palace coup, given his tight hold on the country’s sprawling security apparatus and his expansive crackdown on dissent over the last year.


“He can still act for a long time,” Stanovaya said. “Inside Russia, he is practically secure from political risk.”

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russians-now-see-side-putin-190055608.html
 

Russians Now See a New Side to Putin: Dragging Them Into War​

Anton Troianovski
Sat, 26 February 2022, 3:00 am·7-min read

Buildings at the Russian Defense Ministry in Moscow, Feb. 18, 2022. (Sergey Ponomarev/The New York Times)

Buildings at the Russian Defense Ministry in Moscow, Feb. 18, 2022. (Sergey Ponomarev/The New York Times)

MOSCOW — Russians thought they knew their president.

They were wrong.


And by Thursday, it appeared too late to do anything about it.

For most of his 22-year rule, Vladimir Putin presented an aura of calm determination at home — of an ability to astutely manage risk to navigate the world’s biggest country through treacherous shoals. His attack on Ukraine negated that image and revealed him as an altogether different leader: one dragging the nuclear superpower he helms into a war with no foreseeable conclusion, one that by all appearances will end Russia’s attempts over its three post-Soviet decades to find a place in a peaceful world order.

Russians awoke in shock after they learned that Putin, in an address to the nation that aired before 6 a.m., had ordered a full-scale assault against what Russians of all political stripes often refer to as their “brotherly nation.”


There was no spontaneous pro-war jubilation. Instead, liberal-leaning public figures who for years tried to compromise with and adapt to Putin’s creeping authoritarianism found themselves reduced to posting on social media about their opposition to a war they had no way to stop.

Other Russians expressed themselves more openly. From St. Petersburg to Siberia, thousands took to city streets chanting, “No to war!” clips posted on social media showed, despite an overwhelming presence by police officers. OVD Info, a rights group, said more than 1,700 people were arrested across the country.

And in Moscow’s foreign policy establishment, where analysts overwhelmingly characterized Putin’s military buildup around Ukraine as an elaborate and astute bluff in recent months, many admitted Thursday that they had monumentally misjudged a man they had spent decades studying.

Everything that we believed turned out to be wrong,” said one such analyst, insisting on anonymity because he was at a loss over what to say.

I don’t understand the motivations, the goals or the possible results,” said another. “What is happening is very strange.”

“I’ve always tried to understand Putin,” said a third analyst, Tatiana Stanovaya of the political analysis firm R. Politik.

But now, she said, the usefulness of logic seemed at a limit.

He has become less pragmatic and more emotional,” Stanovaya said.

On state television, Putin’s most powerful propaganda tool, the Kremlin tried to project an air of normalcy. The state-run news media characterized Thursday’s invasion as not a war but a “special military operation” limited to eastern Ukraine. Putin was shown meeting with the visiting prime minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, as if he were still shrewdly carrying on his day-to-day business.

“This is not the beginning of a war,” Maria Zakharova, the foreign ministry’s spokesperson, said on television. “Our desire is to prevent developments that could escalate into a global war.”

Meanwhile, Russia’s stock market plummeted by 35%, and ATMs ran short of dollars. On the country’s internet, still mostly uncensored, Russians saw their vaunted military sow carnage in a country in which millions of them had relatives and friends.

“The world has turned upside down,” said Anastasia, 44, protesting the war in central Moscow Thursday evening despite an imposing presence of riot police officers, and bursting into tears. She gave only her first name for fear of reprisal. “I cannot even imagine the consequences; this is a catastrophe.”

Many Russians had bought into the Kremlin’s narrative that theirs was a peace-loving country and Putin a careful and calculating leader. After all, many Russians still believe, it was Putin who lifted their country out of the poverty and chaos of the 1990s and made it into a place with a decent standard of living and worthy of international respect.

It’s so strange that Russia could attack anyone,” a 60-year-old pensioner said Thursday as she walked through the breathtaking Moscow park, Zaryadye, that international architects designed before the soccer World Cup Russia hosted in 2018. “This has never happened before in history.”

Like many Thursday, she declined to reveal her name for fear that the outbreak of war could bring with it a new crackdown on people’s freedoms.

One of the country’s ever-dwindling number of rights activists, Marina Litvinovich, called for an anti-war protest to be held in Moscow on Thursday evening and was promptly arrested. Police buses and riot police descended on Pushkin Square, where she had urged people to gather. An actor posted a directive from his state-run Moscow theater claiming that “any negative commentary” about the war would be seen by authorities as “treason.”

In the past three months, as U.S. officials warned that Putin’s troop buildup was a prelude to an invasion, Russians dismissed such talk as the West's failure to understand their president’s fundamental determination to manage risk and avoid rash moves with unpredictable consequences. And with leading opposition figures imprisoned or exiled, there were few figures with the influence to organize an anti-war movement.

Some public figures with ties to the government reversed course, although they recognized it was too late. Ivan Urgant, the most prominent late-night comedian on state television, had ridiculed the idea of a looming war on his show earlier this month. On Thursday he posted a black square on Instagram along with the words: “Fear and pain.”

Ksenia Sobchak, another television celebrity whose father was mayor of St. Petersburg and a 1990s mentor to Putin, posted on Instagram that from now on she would only “believe in the worst possible scenarios” about her country’s future. Days earlier, she had praised Putin as a “grown-up, adequate politician” compared to his Ukrainian and U.S. counterparts.

We are now all trapped in this situation,” she wrote Thursday. “There is no exit. We Russians will spend many years digging out from the consequences of this day.”
During the pandemic, analysts had noticed a change in Putin — a man who isolated himself in a bubble of social distancing without parallel among Western leaders. In isolation, he appeared to become more aggrieved and more emotional and increasingly spoke about his mission in stark historical terms. His public remarks descended ever deeper into distorted historiography as he spoke of the need to right perceived historical wrongs suffered by Russia over the centuries at the hands of the West.

Political scientist Gleb Pavlovsky, a close adviser to Putin until falling out with him in 2011, said he was stunned by the president’s dark description of Ukraine as a dire threat to Russia in his hourlong speech to the nation Monday.

“I have no clue where he got all that; he seems to be reading something totally strange,” Pavlovsky said. “He’s become an isolated man, more isolated than Stalin was.”
Stanovaya, the analyst, said she now felt that Putin’s heightened obsession with history in recent years had become key to understanding his motivation. After all, the war against Ukraine appeared impossible to explain strategically, since it had no clear resolution and would inevitably only increase anti-Russian sentiment abroad and escalate Russia’s confrontation with the NATO alliance.

“Putin has brought himself to a place in which he sees it as more important, more interesting, more compelling to fight for restoring historical justice than for Russia’s strategic priorities,” Stanovaya said. “This morning, I realized that a certain shift has taken place.”


She said that by all appearances, the ruling elite around Putin did not realize that Thursday’s war was coming and was uncertain about how to respond. Beyond state television personalities and pro-Kremlin politicians, few prominent Russians spoke out in support of the war.

But that, she said, did not mean that Putin risked any kind of palace coup, given his tight hold on the country’s sprawling security apparatus and his expansive crackdown on dissent over the last year.


“He can still act for a long time,” Stanovaya said. “Inside Russia, he is practically secure from political risk.”

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russians-now-see-side-putin-190055608.html
Isn't all the above a reminiscent of another present leader in the Far East?

On a side-note, I've just heard in the news that the US had offered a journey out of Ukraine for Zelenskyy but the latter insisted to remain. Instead of leaving, he pleads for more support to fight against the Russian invasion. This kind of leader is to be respected. He could have left Ukraine now with his millions, but he chose not to.
 
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‘It’s not rational’: Putin’s bizarre speech wrecks his once pragmatic image​

Andrew Roth in Moscow
Sat, 26 February 2022, 3:30 am·3-min read


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Analysis: President makes appeal to Ukraine’s military to abandon its ‘drug-addicted, neo-Nazi’ leaders
Russia-Ukraine crisis: live news

Looking dead-eyed into the camera on Friday, Vladimir Putin gave one of the most bizarre speeches of his 22 years as Russia’s leader, a directive that managed to sound alarming even in a week when he has ordered tanks into Ukraine and missile strikes on Kyiv.

“Once again I speak to the Ukrainian soldiers,” he said, addressing his enemy. “Do not allow neo-Nazis and Banderites to use your children, your wives and the elderly as a human shield. Take power into your own hands. It seems that it will be easier for us to come to an agreement than with this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis.”

The speech seemed to be ripped from an alternate reality – or from the second world war, where Putin appears to be spending more of his time as he launches the kind of broad military offensive not seen in Europe for nearly 70 years.

All this week, Putin’s megalomaniacal tendencies have been on display like never before. He has summoned his aides for a surreal national security council that resembled a television reality show and launched tirades about Lenin and decisions made nearly 100 years ago.

He has also, for the first time, spoken about his maximalist goals in this war: regime change in Kyiv, toppling the government of Volodymyr Zelenskiy and replacing it with a more pliant leadership. Putin’s call for a coup in Kyiv indicates that if Russia wins this war, Zelenskiy will almost certainly not remain in power. How he achieves that is anyone’s guess.

A number of analysts predicted this as Russia deployed more than 60% of its ground forces to Ukraine’s borders and demanded concessions that could never be granted.

But Putin’s unhinged appearances and apparent drive to war have raised questions of whether he remains a rational leader.

“Despite Crimea and everything else, Putin had always seemed an extremely pragmatic leader to me,” said Tatyana Stanovaya, the founder of R.Politik. “But now when he’s gone in this war against Ukraine, the logic in the decision is all about emotions, it’s not rational.”

Related: What’s going on inside Putin’s mind? His own words give us a disturbing clue | Michel Eltchaninoff

Those emotions are deeply rooted in history and the historical injustices suffered by Russia. Dmitry Muratov, the editor of Novaya Gazeta, said he saw Putin as a man with “a historical map in his mind and a plan to use his military to achieve it”.

Central to that map is Ukraine, which he has described as an artificial state. “Modern Ukraine was wholly and fully created by Russia,” Putin said in a historical sleight-of-hand, “namely Bolshevik, communist Russia.”

To help picture it, state TV ran a map earlier this week showing Ukraine cut up to represent which parts were “presents” from various leaders, including Stalin, Lenin and Khrushchev. Some commentators said it represents the partition that Putin himself might be imagining if he gets his way.

While once the map may have been viewed as fantasies or media trolling, a western diplomat based in Ukraine on Friday pointed to his speeches and to that map as a serious sign that Putin was weighing up a dismantling of the country.

He is not pretending anymore. For the first time I think he’s revealing who he really is,” the diplomat wrote.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/not-rational-putin-bizarre-speech-193007624.html
 
Isn't all the above a reminiscent of another present leader in the Far East?

On a side-note, I've just heard in the news that the US had offered a journey out of Ukraine for Zelenskyy but the latter insisted to remain. Instead of leaving, he pleads for more support to fight against the Russian invasion. This kind of leader is to be respected. He could have left Ukraine now with his millions, but he chose not to.

 

Russian politicians break ranks with Kremlin to condemn invasion​


Nataliya Vasilyeva
Sat, 26 February 2022, 5:02 pm·2-min read


Russian putin kremlin moscow russia protests


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is proving so unpopular that several Russian MPs are withdrawing their support for the Kremlin.

The State Duma, the lower house of Russian parliament, last week voted to recognise the independence of eastern Ukraine’s separatist regions. President Vladimir Putin signed the motion into law on Monday.

Two days later Russia’s upper house of parliament gave the green light to sending Russian troops "abroad". However, it was not clear until Thursday morning that Mr Putin had ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Mikhail Matveyev, a member of the State Duma, on Saturday called on the Kremlin to stop the invasion.

"By voting to recognise the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics I voted for peace, not a war. For Russia to become a shield for the Donbass, not for bombing Kyiv,"
he said.

Another MP, Communist Oleg Smolin, said on Friday he was "shocked" by the invasion and was sorry for the loss of life.

Their statements came amid a myriad of anti-war petitions from Russian teachers, scientists and doctors.


Even some of the most Kremlin-friendly pundits began to publicly question the rationale behind Moscow unleashing a war on a sovereign nation.

Andrey Kortunov, director of the Russian International Affairs Council that advises the foreign ministry, told the BBC he had not advised Russians officials to launch an invasion and that many in the Russian government were shocked at the decision.

“I would say that many of us in the foreign office were surprised and I would say shocked and I would even say devastated to see what is happening,” he said.

“This is an important red line that was crossed by the Russian leadership and the repercussions are likely to be very significant."

Russia’s foreign ministry sought to punish some of the country’s most respected journalists for speaking out against the invasion.

Elena Chernenko, a veteran foreign affairs reporter for the Kommersant newspaper who often travelled with Sergey Lavrov, the foreign minister, said on Friday she was ejected from his pool for “unprofessionalism”.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russian-politicians-break-ranks-kremlin-090241973.html
 

Russian politicians break ranks with Kremlin to condemn invasion​


Nataliya Vasilyeva
Sat, 26 February 2022, 5:02 pm·2-min read


Russian putin kremlin moscow russia protests


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is proving so unpopular that several Russian MPs are withdrawing their support for the Kremlin.

The State Duma, the lower house of Russian parliament, last week voted to recognise the independence of eastern Ukraine’s separatist regions. President Vladimir Putin signed the motion into law on Monday.

Two days later Russia’s upper house of parliament gave the green light to sending Russian troops "abroad". However, it was not clear until Thursday morning that Mr Putin had ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Mikhail Matveyev, a member of the State Duma, on Saturday called on the Kremlin to stop the invasion.

"By voting to recognise the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics I voted for peace, not a war. For Russia to become a shield for the Donbass, not for bombing Kyiv,"
he said.

Another MP, Communist Oleg Smolin, said on Friday he was "shocked" by the invasion and was sorry for the loss of life.

Their statements came amid a myriad of anti-war petitions from Russian teachers, scientists and doctors.


Even some of the most Kremlin-friendly pundits began to publicly question the rationale behind Moscow unleashing a war on a sovereign nation.

Andrey Kortunov, director of the Russian International Affairs Council that advises the foreign ministry, told the BBC he had not advised Russians officials to launch an invasion and that many in the Russian government were shocked at the decision.

“I would say that many of us in the foreign office were surprised and I would say shocked and I would even say devastated to see what is happening,” he said.

“This is an important red line that was crossed by the Russian leadership and the repercussions are likely to be very significant."

Russia’s foreign ministry sought to punish some of the country’s most respected journalists for speaking out against the invasion.

Elena Chernenko, a veteran foreign affairs reporter for the Kommersant newspaper who often travelled with Sergey Lavrov, the foreign minister, said on Friday she was ejected from his pool for “unprofessionalism”.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russian-politicians-break-ranks-kremlin-090241973.html
How much money did they receive from the West?
 
First, come out with a rational geopolitical explanation why Putin did what he did or you're a moron.
ukraine is an independent sovereign country. the majority of the population is westward looking, putin just can't accept that. the past is the past the world has moved on.
 
You want world peace? Just need to wipe US off the world map.
You want world peace ? Just nuke fucking China. World peace will be restored. But I'm sure a fucking CCPee dog like you won't like my answer, rite? :laugh:
 
You want world peace ? Just nuke fucking China. World peace will be restored. But I'm sure a fucking CCPee dog like you won't like my answer, rite? :laugh:
despot dictators putin & xi jinping must be destroyed the moment they dare invade another country. Kim Jong-un is another one but he has no means to attack another country.
 
Russia supplies only 40% of Europe's gas requirement. Get your facts right.

US don't need to sell their oil reserves. Norway is another potential supplier and it has vast amount of supplies, although I admit that it's not as much as Russia's supply to Europe. At the worst scenario, the Saudis, which is much more nearer, will know how to complement. Don't need to go all the way to the US.

Since when does Taiwan's sovereignty belongs to China in the first place? If China wants to argue in this manner, then the CCP should have gone over to Taiwan to claim it back from CKS back in 1948/9 and not to do it only today. What restrains need there be? On the same pretext, they can also claim that Malacca now belongs to them and all hell will break loose in this way.

And by the way, what red line did Ukraine crossed of late? Are they accepted into NATO yet? As you yourself had rightly puts it: "They never intended for Ukraine to join NATO". So, why are you contradicting yourself?

All these fucking Commie countries are like that. They gave away their lands when there were once weak but now that they are stronger, they will want to backtrack (we always like to say: to argue using Indian calculus) and claimed them back. Unless there are legitimate official treaties signed (eg: Hong Kong and Macau), otherwise, where got such thing in this world? If this is allowed, then Malaysia can also, and is fully entitled, to claim back Sinkie Land one day. Is this justified? Similarly, the US had also belonged to the UK once upon a time. So, does that mean that the UK still has sovereignty over the US this present day? How absurd indeed?
Still kong lanjiao wei...
 
KNNBCCB, you are really Boliao. The originator of this post does not comment but you, being a CCP lapdog, has to do so on his behalf. WTF?
Bad mouthing Chinese is your favourite pass time... want go fuck a blue camels..
 
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