Reason why muslim world is crumbling

[syed putra]

There is only 1 Muslim worth admiring in this planet : Mohammed Salah

At one the there was mesut ozil. But he transgressed and was punished.

 

[syed putra]

With the American gone, the different faction of muslim no longer share a common enemy. Now they can concentrate in fighting each other.

This area, they were fighting before religion was invented. But it also is a incubator for many glorious civilisation.

 

[boy1988]

The arabs were traders hence the settlements in Guangdong , quanzhou, Xiamen etc. The huis on the coast cities are testament yo these as they used sailing vessels for the purpose.
Those that used the land route had settlements in Xian and Lanzhou.
They travelled to china to trade. No slaves. In silk, tea, chinaware in exchange for tusk and perfumes. Coffee was not on the list though.

Indeed Arabs were great traders in the past.But to be realistic Islam just couldn't keep up with the future.most of it's ideas are now outdated and many of the rules and teachings are taken explicitly from the quran.

 

[syed putra]

Indeed Arabs were great traders in the past.But to be realistic Islam just couldn't keep up with the future.most of it's ideas are now outdated and many of the rules and teachings are taken explicitly from the quran.

The early arabs were not dictated by the quran. It wasn't printed until much later. That why early on, they learned from others and adapt and apply things that worked.
Today's muslims are obsessed with the quran.

 

[boy1988]

The early arabs were not dictated by the quran. It wasn't printed until much later. That why early on, they learned from others and adapt and apply things that worked.
Today's muslims are obsessed with the quran.

Of course they weren't dictated at first since many can't read and write during those era.those who can read wouldn't even comprehend what's in the Qur'an since their reading ability was rather rudimentary.that goes for all societies during that time regardless of racial and religious origin.well about the part that ideas in the Qur'an were outdated is a fact .it maybe a great religion in the past.just like Nokia phones in the 2000s.now those phones are useless.also religion in general just doesn't make any sense during the 21st century.progress can't be made in innovation or ideas when you have outdated rules laid down by some imaginary figure .

 

[JohnTan]

The arabs were traders hence the settlements in Guangdong , quanzhou, Xiamen etc. The huis on the coast cities are testament yo these as they used sailing vessels for the purpose.
Those that used the land route had settlements in Xian and Lanzhou.
They travelled to china to trade. No slaves. In silk, tea, chinaware in exchange for tusk and perfumes. Coffee was not on the list though.

There were capable arab moslem traders and scientists in the past. However, these are not the role models taught to moslem students in madrassahs and mosques. moslem role models are usually rapists, murderers, war criminals like Babur, Timur, Mehmet, Aurangzeb.

 

[countryman]

All the old Islamic rules n teachings should be abolished n discarded. A new Islam should be created to blend in with the modern times. No more unnecessary killings, no more multiple wives, no more abstaining from certain meat, no more unnecessary covering up for women etc...

 

[rodent2005]

It wasn't like this during the initial stages. Arabs were world champions. They had settlements in China and probably even Korea. But something caused the entire system to collapse. And looks like it is irrecoverable.

Yes, when Muslims were weak when they first started in Mecca, they were peaceful.

 

[blackmondy]

本是低智能，相煎何太急？

 

[duluxe]

All the old Islamic rules n teachings should be abolished n discarded. A new Islam should be created to blend in with the modern times. No more unnecessary killings, no more multiple wives, no more abstaining from certain meat, no more unnecessary covering up for women etc...

Islam is already perfect, can it be changed or improved?

 

[blackmondy]

Islam is already perfect, can it be changed or improved?

Definitely. For starters, let believers enjoy more virgins in heaven. 72 just isn't enough these days.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Muslim on Muslim violence is far greater than any Muslim on infidel violence. Too many petty factional vendettas.

Nonsense. Funded by CIA to destabilize the nee gahmen and the region. Muslims don't harm each other... funded by US to make the region poor and to scare the Chinese to invest there.

 

[JohnTan]

All the old Islamic rules n teachings should be abolished n discarded. A new Islam should be created to blend in with the modern times. No more unnecessary killings, no more multiple wives, no more abstaining from certain meat, no more unnecessary covering up for women etc...

That's the islam PAP has reformed in Singapore. Majulah PAP!

 

[duluxe]

Definitely. For starters, let believers enjoy more virgins in heaven. 72 just isn't enough these days.

Modern moslem scholars are feeling embarrassed by 72 virgins which was believed and accepted by muslim scholars a few centuries ago. Modern moslems are claiming 72 virgins is from fake and unauthenticated hadiths created by infidels to tarnish islam perfect image.

 

[duluxe]

That's the islam PAP has reformed in Singapore. Majulah PAP!

The version of Islam cast out by PAP is considerd corrupted by islamists in this forum. Islam is perfect, any deviant for good is corrupting.

 

[JohnTan]

The version of Islam cast out by PAP is considerd corrupted by islamists in this forum. Islam is perfect, any deviant for good is corrupting.

islam has been corrupted since the start. Their first official version of the koran, the 'caliph uthman version', has no surviving copies. One of the oldest quran, said to be kept in Samarkand, is dated to around 900 AD, at least 300 years older than first koran. And it's not even a complete koran. Another old quran, kept in Birmingham, is also incomplete. So, there's no way to conclusively prove that current qurans are exact copies of those ancient ones.

Historical sources and moslem sources also said that caliph uthman burned all the loose manuscripts and other variants that his scribes used to compile the 'uthman quran'. So again, there's no way to check if uthman ordered further changes to the quran, or added or removed verses from the quran. Asiatics have this marvellous method of burning libraries and records to destroy all traces of history they do not like.