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Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?

The flu and the new coronavirus have similar symptoms, but the coronavirus is far more deadly — here’s how the two compare

Business Insider
March 4, 2020

Medical staff with protective clothing work inside a ward specialized in receiving any person who may have been infected with coronavirus, at the Rajiv Ghandhi Government General hospital in Chennai, India, on January 29, 2020.
Medical staff with protective clothing work inside a ward specialized in receiving any person who may have been infected with coronavirus, at the Rajiv Ghandhi Government General hospital in Chennai, India, on January 29, 2020. P. Ravikumar/Reuters
The coronavirus outbreak came in the middle of flu season in the northern hemisphere.
Because people who get the flu and COVID-19 – the disease caused by the coronavirus – experience some overlapping symptoms, many people are highlighting those similarities. Even President Donald Trump asked pharmaceutical execs if the flu vaccine could be used to stop the coronavirus.
But Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), warned against taking such comparisons too far.
“This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza,” Ghebreyesus said in a press conference on Tuesday. “It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.”
The most crucial difference between the flu and the coronavirus is that the latter is far more deadly. Whereas approximately 0.1% of people who get the flu die, the coronavirus’ mortality rate is about 3.4%, the WHO confirmed on Tuesday.
How the mortality rates of flu and coronavirus compare
The novel coronavirus originated in Wuhan, China, in December and has since killed over 3,110 people and infected nearly 93,000. It is spread to at least 76 other countries. The US has confirmed more than 120 cases and nine deaths.
Older people are far more likely to die from the coronavirus than younger patients, and the same is true for flu – though not to the same extent.
Here’s how the mortality rates of the two compare, age bracket by age bracket:
covid 19 mortality rate by age chart

Ruobing Su/Business InsiderThe flu kills thousands of people every year, but its mortality rate is low
Last year, 35,520,882 patients contracted the flu and 34,158 died in total. In the US this flu season, an estimated 32 million people have gotten the flu, with 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths so far.
The numbers in the chart above come from last year’s data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The agency estimates the number of flu infections in the US via its influenza surveillance system, which gathers flu data from state and local partners, then projects nationwide totals using infectious-disease models.
During the 2018-2019 season, about one out of every 1,000 people who got the flu died.
However, breaking down the numbers by age range reveals a deeper story. Among children, there is approximately one death in every 10,000 cases. In adults between 50 and 64, about six out of every 10,000 people who get the flu die. For seniors above 65, the rate rises to approximately 83 out of 1,000.
While the flu’s mortality rate is always low, it varies seasonally depending on the strains circulating each year. Flu also mutates rapidly, so people can get infected by different strains, which is why the vaccine isn’t 100% effective.
About 15% of coronavirus patients over age 80 die
The coronavirus is more fatal than the flu across all age ranges, but especially among older people, according to research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. It also more seriously affects people with preexisting health problems.
Among people 10 through 40 who get the coronavirus, about four out of 1,000 patients die, according to the Chinese CDC. But 8% of people between 70 and 79 die, and the rate rises to 15% among for those 80 and over.
Here’s how the coronavirus compares to a handful of other major outbreaks


About 80% of coronavirus cases are mild.

This report is fake news because nobody knows what the infection rate is in the first place. All they know is tested positive vs deaths. The actual numbers are far greater.

The virus has already spread far and wide as is the case with flu there are huge number that don't display any symptoms whatsoever.
 
Very surprising for Iran, 57 millions have been screened for covid-19. So their figures for death and infections are reliable. Total 2517 death out of a total 35408 infected means a mortality rate of 7%.

Chan Rasjid
 
Very surprising for Iran, 57 millions have been screened for covid-19. So their figures for death and infections are reliable. Total 2517 death out of a total 35408 infected means a mortality rate of 7%.

Chan Rasjid

Where did you get the info that 57 MILLION have been screened?
 
Allow me to think laterally.

Instead of talking about mortality rate due to covid19 and all, why not compare actual number of deaths a day or per week or month between the same period in 2019 and 2020 regardless of cause of death.

This would give us an idea how many MORE people are dying now compared to last year.

You can then attribute the higher numbers to the covid19 problem either through direct cause of death or overwhelming the system such that even normally salvageable cases are not treated properly.

We can also compare these increases in total deaths number between countries.
 
That is exactly what this article says and the author seems to know what he is talking about because I agree with everything he says. :smile:

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-it’s-still-far-from-clear.282373/#post-3077032

In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for COVID-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the COVID-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between COVID-19 causing death, and COVID-19 being found in someone who died of other causes. Making COVID-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.
 
goto channel news asia today. But of course, we can argue if figures are correct. But why anyone or government would lie about such mundane statistics.

Rasjid.
There are enough test kits in Iran to conduct 57 MILLION tests?
 
Just read the report I don't think it's a lie I think it's a misunderstanding of the word "screened".

The labs are struggling to produce test kits. Iceland has ordered large numbers but orders cannot be met because of the huge demand worldwide.

How Iran managed to get enough test kits to screen 57 MILLION in a matter of weeks is beyond me. It just doesn't seem plausible.
 
Just read the report I don't think it's a lie I think it's a misunderstanding of the word "screened".

The labs are struggling to produce test kits. Iceland has ordered large numbers but orders cannot be met because of the huge demand worldwide.

How Iran managed to get enough test kits to screen 57 MILLION in a matter of weeks is beyond me. It just doesn't seem plausible.
Population of Iran is about 81 million.

I doubt they tested 70% of the population.
 
https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/2...-cases-iceland-steps-up-response-mp-infected/

Shortages not just of test kits

Medical swab shortages

Officials have revealed that Iceland faces a shortage of medical swabs required for coronavirus tests, as Frettabladid reports. An expected shipment of swabs was reduced from 5,000 to 2,000 before being cancelled entirely as suppliers struggle to keep up with sky-rocketing global demand. Þórólfur Guðnason, the national epidemiologist, has been unable to confirm when the National Hospital will receive the urgently needed supplies. It had been hoped that the swabs would arrive this week, but that is now highly uncertain.
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...l-swabs-running-out-tests-ramp-up/2863270001/

The two top makers of the highly specialized swabs used to test patients for the novel coronavirus are straining to keep up with the demand, even as both the Italian and U.S. governments are working with them to increase production.

The nasopharyngeal swabs required for the coronavirus tests are quite different from your standard Q-tips – and the exploding need for them has created a bottleneck in the soaring demand for diagnoses.

The swabs have to be long and skinny enough to get to the nasopharynx, the upper part of the throat, behind the nose. They must be made of synthetic fiber and cannot have a wooden shaft. Nor can they contain calcium alginate, a substance typically used for swab tips in wound care, as that can kill the virus, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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How would Iran have been able to obtain 57 MILLION of the swabs when Iceland cannot even get 2000.
 
Population of Iran is about 81 million.

I doubt they tested 70% of the population.
Yes. I think it is not "tested", but they probably monitored for signs and symptoms. Still the figures does show mortality could be about 3 %

Rasjid.
 
Yes. I think it is not "tested", but they probably monitored for signs and symptoms. Still the figures does show mortality could be about 3 %

Rasjid.

Monitor for signs and symptoms?

Then might as well say Singapore is constantly screening 100% of the population. Or for the matter Canada and USA too.
 
Wuhan study offers new insight into fatality rate of coronavirus
About 1.4 percent of people infected with the virus in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak originated, died, a new study indicates.
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About 1.4 percent of people in Wuhan, China, who became ill with the coronavirus died, according to a study published Thursday in the journal Nature.
The finding is consistent with a study from last month which also found the case fatality rate — or the number of deaths divided by the number of diagnosed cases — to be 1.4 percent, based on statistics across China.

The new paper focuses specifically on the city of Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated.
The death rate is much higher than that of the influenza, which infects millions of people each year but only kills about 0.1 percent of those who get it.

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And while it is lower than an estimate from the World Health Organization earlier this month that said the case fatality rate from the coronavirus could be as high as 3.4 percent globally, experts still said the figure was alarming.




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"We know this is a highly transmissible coronavirus, and all data point toward it being more transmissible than the flu. We also know that it is novel, implying that there is no natural immunity in the human population to this particular coronavirus," said Dr. Sudeb Dalai, an infectious disease physician at Stanford University School of Medicine and the medical director at Karius, an infectious disease diagnostic company. "We would have hoped that the case fatality rate would have been lower than this."
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As of Feb. 29, there were 48,557 cases of the coronavirus and 2,169 deaths in Wuhan, according to the study. The authors found that those 60 years and older had 5.1 times the risk of dying from COVID-19, the illness the virus causes, compared to those between 30 and 59 years old.
Researchers are still trying to figure out who exactly is most at risk for severe or fatal complications from the coronavirus, although age has consistently appeared to be a factor.
Children, for the most part, have fared much better than adults, with the vast majority experiencing mild or moderate symptoms. Older people and those with underlying health conditions are believed to be the most vulnerable.
Not just older people: Younger adults are also getting the coronavirus
But the conclusions on age are far from complete: In France, more than half of the country's 300 patients in intensive care units are under 60, according to The Associated Press.
Tener Goodwin Veenema, a professor of nursing and public health at Johns Hopkins University, said the new paper underscores how crucial it is to enforce social distancing and other measures to contain the spread of the disease.
"Our great concern right now is not only reducing transmission of disease and protecting the American public, but a full-court press to ensure the safety and well-being of first-line health care responders," she said.
She cautioned that it will be difficult to determine the illness's true fatality rate until more data is collected from the pandemic.
"There are probably many cases going unconfirmed at this point."
"There are probably many cases going unconfirmed at this point," Veenema said. "It’s still really difficult to say with any certainty."
The number of diagnosed cases in the United States surpassed 10,000 Thursday, with more than 150 deaths.
The study authors acknowledged that their findings may not be applicable to other countries — especially if those countries contain the virus better or have more treatment options available than Wuhan and the rest of China did.
"The precise fatality risk estimates may not be generalizable to those outside the original epicenter, especially during subsequent phases of the epidemic," they wrote.
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Initial figures put this virus more deadly than flu, which kills only 0.1% of those infected.
Covid-19 in wuhan killed 1.4%.
 
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The coronavirus may be deadlier than the 1918 flu: Here’s how it stacks up to other pandemics
PUBLISHED THU, MAR 26 20201:45 PM EDTUPDATED FRI, MAR 27 20201:24 AM EDT

Berkeley Lovelace Jr.@BERKELEYJR




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Medical workers stretch a patient from an Italian Red Cross ambulance into an intensive care unit set up in a sports center outside the San Raffaele hospital in Milan, on March 23, 2020 during the COVID-19 new coronavirus pandemic.
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Three months after the coronavirus emerged in China, it has quickly spread to nearly half a million people across the globe, killing more than 22,000 people and bringing the world economy to a near-grinding halt.
Some scientists estimate that millions will ultimately die before COVID-19 runs its course. There’s a lot that infectious disease specialists and scientists still don’t know about the virus. Exactly how deadly and contagious COVID-19 is, is still a matter of debate.

We break down what we know about the virus and how it compares with some of history’s deadliest pandemics and diseases. First, you’ll have to bone up on a bit of epidemiology.
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COVID-19
  • R naught (a mathematical term that indicates how contagious an infectious disease is): 2
  • Mortality rate: 4.5% (this number is in flux)
  • World population: 7.8 billion
The mortality rate
The mortality rate is an important metric for epidemiologists because it helps determine just how many people will likely die from a particular disease and its potential impact on health systems, said Isaac Bogoch, a University of Toronto infectious disease specialist.
The mortality rate is basically the number of deaths divided by the number of infections. It’s also called the death rate or case fatality rate. At the beginning of an outbreak, it can be a moving target as more people are tested and an illness like COVID-19 travels to different parts of the world where the mortality rate can widely vary.
Looking at just the number of deaths over the number of cases reported “is only a snapshot,” Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the World Health Organization’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, told reporters last week.
A variety of factors affects the mortality rate: geography, the quality of health care, age of the population, life style and underlying conditions. In China, the mortality rate for CV-19 has been 4%. In Italy, it’s about 10%. In Iran, it’s about 7.6%. In Germany, it’s less than 1% and in the U.S., where the outbreak is just getting underway, it’s about 1.5%.

GP: Coronavirus Outbreak Continues In Italy

Red Cross staff wearing a protective containment suit return to the Red Cross headquarters after transporting a Covid 19 patient to a hospital in Turin on March 25, 2020 in Turin, Italy. The Italian government continues to enforce the nationwide lockdown measures to control the spread of COVID-19.
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The mortality rate generally drops as testing rises and more patients are identified. But epidemiologists caution that the reverse can be true as U.S. hospitals get inundated and run out of necessary equipment, like ventilators, to treat patients who might have otherwise been saved. They also say it takes weeks for the virus to infiltrate a community and several more before people are sick enough to die. So it will be several months before the true mortality rate can be quantified in the U.S. or elsewhere.
Scientists still don’t know the true extent of the outbreak, so “we don’t know the precise number of those who will die out of those who are infected,” Kerkhove said.
The first estimate of the mortality rate for COVID-19 was roughly 2.3%, according to the WHO. As the death tally rose across the globe, so did the mortality rate, which the WHO revised on March 3 to 3.4%, meaning 3.4% of the population with confirmed infections died. Many scientists think, or are at least hopeful, that the mortality rate will fall as more people are tested and mild cases that have previously gone undetected are identified.
President Donald Trump is in that camp, calling the WHO’s revised estimate of 3.4% a “false number”and that he had a hunch the true mortality rate was well under 1%.
That hasn’t panned out so far, even as much of Europe, parts of Asia and the U.S. dramatically ramp up testing. More cases are being identified, to be sure, but people have been dying at a faster rate.
The current global mortality rate now stands at around 4.5%, which is calculated by dividing the 22,295 deaths by the 495,086 confirmed cases as of Thursday afternoon, according to Johns Hopkins University data. Most scientists agree the mortality rate will fall by the time the disease runs its course.
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The ‘R naught’
Scientists also assess the so-called R naught of the disease, a mathematical equation that shows how many people will get sick from each infected person. Just like the mortality rate, the R naught will fluctuate over time as scientists gather more data, and it can vary depending on where someone lives.
Estimates of the R naught for COVID-19 have ranged from 1.4 to about 5. The WHO has estimated the R naught of COVID-19 to be around 1.95 and other estimates from researchers following the outbreak put it around 2.2, meaning about two people will catch the virus from every person who already has it.
The R naught can also be heavily reduced, depending on what a nation does to contain the virus, which is why state and local officials are scrambling across the U.S. to close businesses and keep people indoors. China last week reported its first day with zero new cases after placing much of the nation under lockdown for nearly two months. The R naught can also dramatically increase if a country does nothing.
“If the R naught is higher than 1, it will spread and it will be contagious,” Yanzhong Huang, a public health researcher at the Council on Foreign Relations and director of the Center for Global Health Studies at Seton Hall University, said in a phone interview with CNBC last month. “Without any containment measures, technically it can spread to the whole population.”
The number of CV-19 cases and deaths changes by the hour. Some scientists predict half the world’s population will eventually get it.
Here’s how COVID-19 stacks up against other pandemics and serious outbreaks. (The R naught and mortality rates figures are from a March 9 report on deadly outbreaks by financial research firm Morningstar unless otherwise noted.)
Seasonal flu
  • R naught: 1.3
  • Mortality rate: 0.1%
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A woman receives a flu shot at a Walgreens pharmacy in San Francisco.
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Many have compared the COVID-19 outbreak to influenza, also known as the common flu, another respiratory illness that has symptoms similar to CV-19.
So far, COVID-19 is proving to be more infectious with an R naught of around 2 than the seasonal flu, which has an R naught of 1.3 and infects up to 49 million Americans each year. Based on the WHO’s most recent mortality rate of 3.4%, the COVID-19 outbreak is shaping up to be at least 34 times deadlier than the flu, which has a mortality rate of about 0.1% and kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year across the globe. If the current mortality for CV-19 rate holds at 4.5%, it would make this coronavirus 45 times deadlier than the flu.
2009 H1N1
  • R naught: 1.5
  • Mortality rate: 0.02%
  • World population in 2009: 6.79 billion
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H1N1 strain of the swine flu virus.

The H1N1 swine flu emerged in Mexico in April 2009, infecting 60.8 million people in the United States alone and at least 700 million worldwide. An estimated 151,700 to 575,400 people died from the virus across the globe, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Epidemiologists estimate it had an R naught of 1.5, making it less infectious than COVID-19.
The mortality rate is estimated at around 0.02% and ”[H1N1] ended up being a lot milder overall than we once feared, but it hit certain subgroups pretty hard,” former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb said.
1957 flu pandemic
  • R naught: 1.7
  • Mortality rate: 0.6%
  • World population: 2.87 billion
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Some of the hundreds of University of Massachusetts students suffering from flu are shown in an emergency infirmary there October 25, 1957.
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The H2N2 virus pandemic was first reported in Singapore in February 1957. It killed an estimated 1.1 million people worldwide and 116,000 in the United States. COVID-19′s R naught of around 2 is in line with the H2N2 virus, but the current virus appears to have a far deadlier potential.
1918 flu pandemic
  • R naught: about 1.8
  • Mortality rate: 2.5%
  • World population: 1.8 billion (est.)
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Many patients suffering in the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed 50 million to 100 million people, were housed in converted warehouses.
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The 1918 flu was one of the most horrific pandemics of the 20th century, hitting those ages 20 to 40 especially hard, according to WHO. COVID-19′s R naught of 2 is slightly more infectious than the 1918 flu.
The 1918 flu, which was known as the Spanish flu, didn’t actually originate in Spain. It had a mortality rate of 2.5% and killed more people — 30 million to 50 million — than the 20 million who died in World War I. If the 4.5% mortality rate of COVID-19 drops, it won’t be as bad as the 1918 flu. If it continues on its current trajectory, it will be almost twice as deadly.
SARS
  • R naught: 2 to 5
  • Mortality rate: 10%
  • World population in 2003: 6.38 billion
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Pedestrians in Hong Kong’s business district during the SARS epidemic, April 1, 2003.
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Severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, is a coronavirus that emerged in the Guangdong province of southern China in November 2002 but didn’t spread wide enough to become a pandemic. Unlike COVID-19, SARS was generally transmitted only after people started showing symptoms, which helped contain the outbreak. SARS, which infected 8,098 people worldwide by July 2003, is believed to have an R naught of 2 to 5. The mortality rate for SARS, which killed nearly 800 people, is estimated at 10%, according to the CDC.
MERS
  • R naught: 0.5
  • Mortality rate: 35%
  • World population in 2012: 7.13 billion
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A health worker cares for a MERS patient at Seoul Medical Center, South Korea, June 10, 2015.
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MERS, which stands for Middle East respiratory syndrome, emerged in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and infected at least 2,494 people across 27 countries, including 858 deaths, according to the WHO. With an R naught of 0.5, MERS is much less infectious than COVID-19′s R naught of 2. It’s much deadlier, however, with a mortality rate of 35%.
Measles
  • R naught: 12 to 18
  • Mortality rate: unclear
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An Indian health worker administers a measles and rubella vaccine to a student at a government school at Hatibhangi village in Morigoan in Assam state on September 4, 2018.
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Measles is one of the most contagious viruses in the world with an R naught of 12 to 18, according to a paper published in 2017 in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet. Determining the mortality rate is difficult.
Before a vaccine was developed in the early 1960s, most cases went unreported, and the CDC estimates up to 4 million people in the U.S. actually caught measles every year, killing 400 to 500 people annually. In 2009, worldwide measles vaccination coverage reached 82%, and from 2000 to 2008, the number of deaths from measles dropped from 733,000 to 164,000, according to the WHO. Measles is a seasonal disease, meaning it comes back every year.
Ebola
  • R naught: about 2
  • Mortality rate: exceeds 50%
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Health workers wearing protective suits assist a patient suspected of having Ebola on their way to an Ebola treatment centre run by the French Red Cross in Patrice near Macenta on November 21, 2014.
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The Ebola virus disease, formerly known as Ebola hemorrhagic fever, was identified in 1976 in the Democratic Republic of Congo near the Ebola River. It doesn’t come back every year, but it has periodically recurred over the last 44 years. Like the current coronavirus, the virus virus has an R naught of 2, according to a report published in 2014. But Ebola is far deadlier, killing more than half the number of people who are infected.
Ebola has spread to more than 31,000 people — mostly in Africa, not including the current outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to WHO data. It has killed more than 12,900 people, also excluding the current outbreak.
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Containing the outbreak
The death and infection rates for COVID-19 are not set in stone, global health officials say, reminding the public and world leaders that a coordinated response can lower both.
“We cannot say this loudly enough or clearly enough or often enough: All countries can still change the course of this pandemic,” WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on March 11, when the agency declared the COVID-19 pandemic.
In some countries such as Italy, where there are more than 74,000 cases, the country has been under lockdown.
In the U.S., Trump has imposed travel bans for much of Europe and Asia. Roughly half of the nation is under some sort of quarantine for the foreseeable future. The U.S. outbreak is accelerating with hot spots in California, Washington state and New York, which has more than half of the 69,000 U.S. cases. Trump’s coronavirus task force is advising anyone who travels through New York to self-isolate for two weeks and monitor their symptoms if they leave the area.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is also asking healthy, young individuals to stay indoors, saying slowing the outbreak will not work without them.
“When I was young, I thought I was invulnerable. We are asking young people to help with the mitigation strategy by staying out the bars, staying out of the restaurants,” Fauci said at a White House briefing on March 17 — St. Patrick’s Day. “We can’t do this without the young people cooperating.”
While governments and the public attempt to slow the spread, health officials and pharmaceutical companies are quickly working to produce a vaccine, with the first human clinical trial beginning last week. Hopes of getting a vaccine to market are high, but doctors are setting expectations low for how quickly it can happen.
It will take a minimum of 12 to 18 months for a vaccine to make it to the market, U.S. officials say. In the meantime, they are fast tracking clinical trials on drugs that show promise in treating the virus, telling people to stay indoors, keep their distance and wash their hands often.
 
1. It's just a flu, flu mutate all the time same as every farking living organism in the universe, yes we too.
2. Last stocks and economy collapse is overdue is 12 years ago also the year of the Rat it's a cycle a boom time for the Bankers who are also the creators of our monetary systems IMF.
3. 5G is overdue but when they test the 5G in USA the bees and birds drop. When they test it in Wuhan those with flu drop dead. Haven't seen that scenario common in Sg or else where. So there's a need for the weak and old+sick to be eliminated.
4. It's a clean up for the countries liability and insurance claim and healthcare system for the old and sick are considered dispensable and superfluous.
5. It's also a good thing for Gaia finally gets to heal up the birds started to sings and nature gets an overdue hiatus.
6. Unless collectively we rise but not every country is like SG well controlled robust health and majority healthy so for the rest their economy and livelihood are jeopardized by fear.

Fear is the Virus and it lowers our immunity and we create chaos among ourselves. Perfect ! Kena tricked.... lol For we are many but foolish. This is WW3 only the strong need to or will survive it's just a needed purge ?

It's all about Collective Transcendency to the next level. The exact distant and size of our moon to cast the perfect eclipse with our Sun, to create the tilt and 4 seasons is enough prove this is a created realm and heavily guarded too.

To me ? All are xp and lessons perfect as it is in totality nothing is even accidental for without sufferings there's no growth. Forgiveness is key compassion is the way and the essence is always love. All serve the One Infinite Creator. It is what it is. Cheers and be well ! It's all going to be alright.

Drop the fear and raise the love, Rise !

The wall = Nikola Tesla's wall. It isn't physical, it's frequency.

 
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47,000 CHILDREN CRIPPLED AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED IN INDIA, A DIRECT RESULT OF BILL GATES’ POLIO VACCINE

Osama bin Laden isn't dead. Global warming is a hoax. NASA faked the moon landings. Vaccines cause autism. And Bill Gates?





But but but... fear not for MANDATORY Vaccines are coming next ! Akan Datang to a cinema near you. lol.......


Here is the full quote attributed to Kissinger:

"Once the herd accepts mandatory forcible vaccination, it’s game over! They will accept anything – forcible blood or organ donation – for the "greater good." We can genetically modify children and sterilize them – for the "greater good." Control sheep minds and you control the herd. Vaccine makers stand to make billions, and many of you in this room today are investors. It’s a big win-win! We thin out the herd and the herd pays us for providing extermination services. Now, what’s for lunch, huh?"
-Kissinger in a speech to WHO council Eugenics Feb 25, 2009


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