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Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?

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'Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?': Professors claim more data needed to know mortality rate

by Andrew Mark Miller

| March 25, 2020 11:24 AM

Two professors of medicine at Stanford University published an opinion article Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal, suggesting there is little evidence that the coronavirus would kill millions of people without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines.

“Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others,” the article, headlined "Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?" and written by Dr. Eran Bendavid and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, reads. “So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.”

The deaths from identified positive cases are “misleading” because of limited data, according to the professors.

“If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far,” the professors argued.

The professors cited data from Iceland, China, the United States, and Italy, which is arguably the hardest-hit region when it comes to the coronavirus.

“On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%,” the professors said. “Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

The professors argued that current epidemiological models aren’t adequate for two key reasons.

“First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections,” it reads.
Ultimately, while stressing the seriousness of the virus that has infected almost half a million people, the professors aren’t convinced a universal quarantine is the most logical course of action.

“A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health,” the article concluded. “We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.”

Co-author Bhattacharya spoke with the Washington Examiner and elaborated on the main message of the article.

“The main message my colleagues and I want to get across is that the facts to date are consistent with a tremendous range of uncertainty regarding the fatality rate from COVID-19,” Bhattacharya said. “We desperately need a population-representative estimate of the seroprevalence of the disease so we can reduce that uncertainty and make better policy on the basis of our improved knowledge. Such a study would not be too expensive and is feasible to run immediately.”

More than 15,000 people have died from the coronavirus, with more than 100,000 recoveries, according to John Hopkins University data.
 
Current tests are to detect the presence of infection.

The test that is actually needed is one that looks for antibodies because there are probably a shit load of people who caught the bug and recovered without even knowing it and they'd be immune for the time being.

It will also reveal just how widespread the infection already is.
 
It has been said that as much as 60% of the cases in Wuhan were unreported. This would make the Wuhan fatality rate closer to 1.5% rather than the current estimate of near 4%.

The dengue fatality rate in SG in some of the warmer months was already pushing close to 1%. So yes, this bloody pestilence might not be deadly as feared when compared to other modern day diseases.
 
It has been said that as much as 60% of the cases in Wuhan were unreported. This would make the Wuhan fatality rate closer to 1.5% rather than the current estimate of near 4%.

The dengue fatality rate in SG in some of the warmer months was already pushing close to 1%. So yes, this bloody pestilence might not be deadly as feared when compared to other modern day diseases.
Unfortunately this virus hit China first. If it had hit USA first they wouldn't bother making a fuss of it and just carried on.

China sabo lah. Go and lockdown.

Then the media played it up. And they Italy another stupid country.
 
Unfortunately this virus hit China first. If it had hit USA first they wouldn't bother making a fuss of it and just carried on.

China sabo lah. Go and lockdown.

Then the media played it up. And they Italy another stupid country.


If there is one country with all the incentive to cover up and avoid making a fuss, it is China. Had covid-19 been another H1N1, they would have definitely hushed it up. However they could not do it for this covid thing because of how rapidly it spread as well as the Wuhan death toll in absolute numbers.
 
Once again running dogs of PAP playing down the seriousness of the deadly virus just like their fearless leader LHL.
 
Once again running dogs of PAP playing down the seriousness of the deadly virus just like their fearless leader LHL.

In what way are they playing down the seriousness? Please elaborate.

As far as I can see they have taken it so seriously that the infection rates have been remarkably low. Very few countries have been able to achieve what the PAP has done.
 
Unfortunately this virus hit China first. If it had hit USA first they wouldn't bother making a fuss of it and just carried on.

China sabo lah. Go and lockdown.

Then the media played it up. And they Italy another stupid country.


Italy has no choice. Their death rate was even higher than Wuhan - at a national level! What choice do they have?? LOL.

Italy moved too slow and allowed fucked up concepts of democracy and civil rights to undermine the entire operation at the beginning. As a result, they paid with their own lives. This is what libtardism does to societies. People are asked to die for the sake of an abstract concept that exists only in the head.
 
Italy has no choice. Their death rate was even higher than Wuhan - at a national level! What choice do they have?? LOL.

Italy moved too slow and allowed fucked up concepts of democracy and civil rights to undermine the entire operation at the beginning. As a result, they paid with their own lives. This is what libtardism does to societies. People are asked to die for the sake of an abstract concept that exists only in the head.

The death rate in Italy is actually remarkably low even by the current method of calculation which is already flawed.

In the younger age groups the rate was close to zero.

Only the old geezers were affected and these consisted mainly of those which were already chronically ill in the first place.
 
In what way are they playing down the seriousness? Please elaborate.

As far as I can see they have taken it so seriously that the infection rates have been remarkably low. Very few countries have been able to achieve what the PAP has done.
I still have full faith with our PM, it is proven that he has never wrong, corona virus is not as deadly as SARS, so not too worry
 
Look on bright side climate change not a problem anymore.

See mother nature can protect herself easily.

Only libtards believe humans can destroy the planet.
 
Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?': Professors claim more data needed to know mortality rate
The death rate in Italy is actually remarkably low even by the current method of calculation which is already flawed.

In the younger age groups the rate was close to zero.

Only the old geezers were affected and these consisted mainly of those which were already chronically ill in the first place.
certainly it is not as deadly compared to your cheebye mouth that keep on spilling hatred and venom
 
Never seen Merlion Park so quiet. This photo taken about 10mins ago lunch time.

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Ultimately it's not about 0.1% fatality rate or 10% or whatever. It's about how infectious this disease is. If the disease is not very infectious, even a 10% fatality rate isn't significant. However a super infectious disease becomes a problem even if the fatality rate is just 0.1%.
 
Ultimately it's not about 0.1% fatality rate or 10% or whatever. It's about how infectious this disease is. If the disease is not very infectious, even a 10% fatality rate isn't significant. However a super infectious disease becomes a problem even if the fatality rate is just 0.1%.


Absolutely agree and I am with you on this
 
Ultimately it's not about 0.1% fatality rate or 10% or whatever. It's about how infectious this disease is. If the disease is not very infectious, even a 10% fatality rate isn't significant. However a super infectious disease becomes a problem even if the fatality rate is just 0.1%.
Yes. This is what caused all the panic... The absolute numbers in ICUs increase as many of the vulneable need care simultaneously.
The only way to overcome this without a lockdown is accept that the over 70s would have to stay home and recover/die, free up beds for the young, and the rest can go on with precautions - hand washing etc.
 
Yes. This is what caused all the panic... The absolute numbers in ICUs increase as many of the vulneable need care simultaneously.
The only way to overcome this without a lockdown is accept that the over 70s would have to stay home and recover/die, free up beds for the young, and the rest can go on with precautions - hand washing etc.

This is the ideal solution but if it was mandated governments would be accused of ageism and there is also the practical aspect of actually keeping the young and the old separated. EG a kid is living with his parents and a grandparents who will be forced to leave.

Grandparent will say house is theirs, they've lived there for 50 years and they are not going anywhere.

Kid will say that he is broke and has nowhere to go and can't afford to move out.
 
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