Chitchat Just what is wrong when AMDL wears a chinky cheongsam?

[ginfreely]

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Qipao is mutated from Qing dynasty wear. Not real Chinese traditional wear. This one then is real thing, which unfortunately no more Chinese wearing. Only can see similar in Korean traditional wear copying Ming dynasty traditional wear.

Chinese should wear the real Chinese traditional wear and not qipao. What a shame that Koreans are wearing their traditional wear based on Ming dynasty traditional wear while Chinese go wear qipao!

辛亥革命之后，在排满风潮的影响下，满洲妇女因为性命安全大都改穿汉人服饰，导致不再有人穿着昔日的旗人服装[6]，在五四运动以及西方文明的影响下，加上当时被欧美日本列强侵略的大环境、国难当头下的复活原本清代旗装袍的社会条件亦不充分。当时的人们也普遍不接受已经被抛弃的中国传统朝代的旧服装[7]。

把清代旗装和西洋化的服装进行了结合，采用清朝的盘扣和立领、但是加上西方的立体剪裁和凸显女性曲线，最终融合而成的就是现代旗袍。旗袍在1925年开始流行于上海[8]，学者研究指出，旗袍风尚的始发群体为上海的女学生群体，以当时其“女界领袖”的衣着引领地位和对西化新事物的接受能力而论，当时的女学生是旗袍最早的主要使用者[7]。

https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/zh-sg/旗袍#歷史發展

 

[Wunderfool]

Something is seriously wrong if AMDL wears a Chinky Leong Sam.

Sam is never known to be nice to Chink.

 

[greedy and cunning]

these angmo tua liap ni want to send leongSaM the message that
chinks are better than he could imagined.

 

[JohnTan]

I'm so proud of the good white lady who wore the qipao. Because of her endorsement, I would allow my daughter to wear the qipao to her prom too.

 

[Cottonmouth]

I'm so proud of the good white lady who wore the qipao. Because of her endorsement, I would allow my daughter to wear the qipao to her prom too.

Miss Tan got figure or not?

 

[JohnTan]

Miss Tan got figure or not?

My daughter has a fine figure. She is active in pilates and sports.

 

[winnipegjets]

he thinks he owns the qipao symbolism and only chinks can wear it. the reason i mention "qipao" is because this canto lam will be offended at me for not using "cheongsam". these canto chinks are super sensitive these days - first prc took over hk, 2nd no chance of self rule in hk, 3rd canto language may go the way of the dodo bird, 4th hongkies can't afford to live in hk, 5th they have to find work in china and sg, 6th they are so stupid to migrate to taiwan, 6.9th they are stressed and wish to jump from high-rises. if his stupid argument holds true, all chink women wearing western clothing should remove them too and go back to their traditional clothing. the origins of the western dress also point to a symbol of cloistered domination (by men) and domestic servitude.

Sounds like the ground is fertile for a Make HK Great Again personality to emerge. You?

 

[steffychun]

@jere_bare ‏is the guy who insulted her but guess what? He himself is a Chink!

 

[eatshitndie]

the korean traditional dress is copied from the sui and early t'ang dynasty, not ming. t'ang dynasty dresses evolved as the empire was opened to foreign imports and influence. and in the late t'ang, society became more liberal and loose, and women started showing off their bare shoulders and cleavages as expressions of freedom, wealth, promiscuity, and self-awareness.

 

[ginfreely]

the korean traditional dress is copied from the sui and early t'ang dynasty, not ming. t'ang dynasty dresses evolved as the empire was opened to foreign imports and influence. and in the late t'ang, society became more liberal and loose, and women started showing off their bare shoulders and cleavages as expressions of freedom, wealth, promiscuity, and self-awareness.

No I read before it’s copied from Ming. Something like you can see Tang Dynasty in Japan and you can see Ming dynasty in Korea while you can’t see them in China lol. Japan copied from Tang Dynasty.

 

[eatshitndie]

typical ming dynasty dresses are depicted in figures 13 and 14. figure 15 is a ming dress with qing influence. in almost all dynasties except the late t'ang chink women were required to cover up as patriarchy ruled for much of chink history.

 

[ginfreely]

typical ming dynasty dresses are depicted in figures 13 and 14. figure 15 is a ming dress with qing influence. in almost all dynasties except the late t'ang chink women were required to cover up as patriarchy ruled for much of chink history.

I forgot it doesn’t matter. 礼义廉耻is bullshit too. Chinese certainly don’t know and don’t care about real Chinese traditional wear. They love fake qipao!

 

[eatshitndie]

No I read before it’s copied from Ming. Something like you can see Tang Dynasty in Japan and you can see Ming dynasty in Korea while you can’t see them in China lol. Japan copied from Tang Dynasty.

whatever you read is incorrect. early korean kingdoms like goguryeo, baekje, shilla (these 3 were at civil war with one another) looked to sui and t'ang for cultural influence, and only shilla allied militarily with t'ang to eliminate baekje and then eventually the strongest of the 3, goguryeo. the importation of early t'ang culture began after shilla (with the help of t'ang) united the korean peninsula. shilla basically became a vassal state of t'ang china. before t'ang came to power, sui tried to invade goguryeo and was massively defeated. the defeat was shameful for the chinks, and t'ang (li clan) and several other warlords rose in revolt against the sui. i know my chink history extremely well. tanwahtiu will know, and he will kowtow to me when i discuss chink history. the sui dress below is unique in chink history in that all other dynastic dresses show belts and mid-sections at the waist line while the sui dress has the belt and mid-section at the bust or boob line. the korean traditional dress followed the sui boob line for the mid-section with enough cloth at the belt for wearer to hang oneself in case of capture or attempted rape. shilla and subsequent dynasty in korea became a hermit kingdom, and while chink culture evolved after the t'ang to jin, sung, yuan and ming dynasties (vastly different dresses and customs by the time of yuan), the korean dress was still the same as late sui and early t'ang. and even during ming and qing, the korean dress remained unchanged. i can say almost the same thing with the jap kimono, except that it is also copied from china. will write about that in the next post.

 

[ginfreely]

whatever you read is incorrect. early korean kingdoms like goguryeo, baekje, shilla (these 3 were at civil war with one another) looked to sui and t'ang for cultural influence, and only shilla allied militarily with t'ang to eliminate baekje and then eventually the strongest of the 3, goguryeo. the importation of early t'ang culture began after shilla (with the help of t'ang) united the korean peninsula. shilla basically became a vassal state of t'ang china. before t'ang came to power, sui tried to invade goguryeo and was massively defeated. the defeat was shameful for the chinks, and t'ang (li clan) and several other warlords rose in revolt against the sui. i know my chink history extremely well. tanwahtiu will know, and he will kowtow to me when i discuss chink history. the sui dress below is unique in chink history in that all other dynastic dresses show belts and mid-sections at the waist line while the sui dress has the belt and mid-section at the bust or boob line. the korean traditional dress followed the sui boob line for the mid-section with enough cloth at the belt for wearer to hang oneself in case of capture or attempted rape. shilla and subsequent dynasty in korea became a hermit kingdom, and while chink culture evolved after the t'ang to jin, sung, yuan and ming dynasties (vastly different dresses and customs by the time of yuan), the korean dress was still the same as late sui and early t'ang. and even during ming and qing, the korean dress remained unchanged. i can say almost the same thing with the jap kimono, except that it is also copied from china. will write about that in the next post.

Korean traditional wear looks a bit like sui dynasty picture indeed.

 

[ginfreely]

whatever you read is incorrect. early korean kingdoms like goguryeo, baekje, shilla (these 3 were at civil war with one another) looked to sui and t'ang for cultural influence, and only shilla allied militarily with t'ang to eliminate baekje and then eventually the strongest of the 3, goguryeo. the importation of early t'ang culture began after shilla (with the help of t'ang) united the korean peninsula. shilla basically became a vassal state of t'ang china. before t'ang came to power, sui tried to invade goguryeo and was massively defeated. the defeat was shameful for the chinks, and t'ang (li clan) and several other warlords rose in revolt against the sui. i know my chink history extremely well. tanwahtiu will know, and he will kowtow to me when i discuss chink history. the sui dress below is unique in chink history in that all other dynastic dresses show belts and mid-sections at the waist line while the sui dress has the belt and mid-section at the bust or boob line. the korean traditional dress followed the sui boob line for the mid-section with enough cloth at the belt for wearer to hang oneself in case of capture or attempted rape. shilla and subsequent dynasty in korea became a hermit kingdom, and while chink culture evolved after the t'ang to jin, sung, yuan and ming dynasties (vastly different dresses and customs by the time of yuan), the korean dress was still the same as late sui and early t'ang. and even during ming and qing, the korean dress remained unchanged. i can say almost the same thing with the jap kimono, except that it is also copied from china. will write about that in the next post.

Read it before something like this about them following Ming clothes and system and retain them even during Qing:

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.thenewslens.com/amparticle/22469

朝鮮這個國號，其實是朱元璋命名，當時李氏朝鮮的開國國王李成桂透過篡位取得王位，上書明朝禮部詢問新政權該以何為名，朱元璋這樣回覆：「東夷之號，惟朝鮮之稱美，且其來遠，可以本其名而祖之。體天牧民，永昌後嗣。」

於是，這個新的朝鮮國，就跟明朝的命運相交纏了起來。這時候的韓國，使用的是明朝年號，知道在北京還有一個真正的皇帝，沒有國家的概念，用中國中心自稱「東國」。這個有一千餘年歷史的土地，沒有自己的文字，穿著明朝的服飾，今天的韓服，其實本質上就是明代服飾，他們書寫著漢文，他們覺得自己就是中華文化的一份子，也是孔孟聖道的繼承人。

 

[eatshitndie]

these are typical han dynasty dresses or hanfu. do kimonos look like them? of course. dresses from the qin to han had all chink women covered up from neck to toe in a 1-piece garment with a sash or belt around the tightest part of the torso - similar to how kimonos are worn today. the extra cloth or long pockets at the handles or sleeves are characteristic of qin and han dresses - the same deep pockets found in sleeves of modern day kimonos.

 

[eatshitndie]

Read it before something like this about them following Ming clothes and system and retain them even during Qing:

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.thenewslens.com/amparticle/22469

朝鮮這個國號，其實是朱元璋命名，當時李氏朝鮮的開國國王李成桂透過篡位取得王位，上書明朝禮部詢問新政權該以何為名，朱元璋這樣回覆：「東夷之號，惟朝鮮之稱美，且其來遠，可以本其名而祖之。體天牧民，永昌後嗣。」

於是，這個新的朝鮮國，就跟明朝的命運相交纏了起來。這時候的韓國，使用的是明朝年號，知道在北京還有一個真正的皇帝，沒有國家的概念，用中國中心自稱「東國」。這個有一千餘年歷史的土地，沒有自己的文字，穿著明朝的服飾，今天的韓服，其實本質上就是明代服飾，他們書寫著漢文，他們覺得自己就是中華文化的一份子，也是孔孟聖道的繼承人。

only korean (male) officials evolved their clothing to follow those of ming as later korean dynasties were subject to ming as a client state. the korean king had to ask for assistance from ming to help repel the jap invaders during imjinwaeren. but after initial defeats and retreats as japs had european weapons (arquebus) and could shoot farther and straighter than arrows, korean generals adapted to warfare with japs and were able to hold them at bay, plus overwhelming success at sea by admiral yi and his korean navy. korean generals and admirals did not want ming help, but the king was a useless coward and he sought help from ming. ming's aid did not do much except to cause confusion and stress on the koreans as they had to feed both armies and navies. a lot of cultural and military exchanges occurred between ming china and korea then. but korean women dresses remained sui/t'ang style and did not follow the ming style. have to be very specific. cannot just generalize.

the ming dress evolved from early ming to late ming to qing, like this. where got same as korean dress, or vice versa?

 

[ginfreely]

only korean (male) officials evolved their clothing to follow those of ming as later korean dynasties were subject to ming as a client state. the korean king had to ask for assistance from ming to help repel the jap invaders during imjinwaeren. but after initial defeats and retreats as japs had european weapons (arquebus) and could shoot farther and straighter than arrows, korean generals adapted to warfare with japs and were able to hold them at bay, plus overwhelming success at sea by admiral yi and his korean navy. korean generals and admirals did not want ming help, but the king was a useless coward and he sought help from ming. ming's aid did not do much except to cause confusion and stress on the koreans as they had to feed both armies and navies. a lot of cultural and military exchanges occurred between ming china and korea then. but korean women dresses remained sui/t'ang style and did not follow the ming style. have to be very specific. cannot just generalize.

the ming dress evolved from early ming to late ming to qing, like this. where got same as korean dress, or vice versa?

Ya not same. So only male clothes followed Ming. Interesting to know indeed. Btw you know why the Korean copy sui but made their female version so fluffy like pregnant wear?

 

[eatshitndie]

Ya not same. So only male clothes followed Ming. Interesting to know indeed. Btw you know why the Koreans made their female version So fluffy like pregnant wear

it was the sui who decided to be different in dressing from earlier chink dynasties. the fact that they moved the mid-section to the boob line provided the illusion that the dress was fluffier and had more cloth under the belt, giving the impression that every woman who wore it was pregnant or had a bulging torso. it could also be that the sui empress and concubines were pregnant at the same time (practically whole sui court was pregnant) and had to adjust the mid-section upwards thus initiating a new fashion statement and causing every woman in sui to follow the court. and then the shilla women thought it was fashionable and followed suit.

 

[ginfreely]

it was the sui who decided to be different in dressing from earlier chink dynasties. the fact that they moved the mid-section to the boob line provided the illusion that the dress was fluffier and had more cloth under the belt, giving the impression that every woman who wore it was pregnant or had a bulging torso. it could also be that the sui empress and concubines were pregnant at the same time (practically whole sui court was pregnant) and had to adjust the mid-section upwards thus initiating a new fashion statement and causing every woman in sui to follow the court. and then the shilla women thought it was fashionable and followed suit.

Oh so sui one already fluffy and it’s a outright copy not like kimono.