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MP Zainudin infamous quote on democracy
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Zainudin Nordin explains posting of "provocative" quote
Posted on May 10, 2013 10:52 PM Updated: May 10, 2013 11:04 PM ByElgin Toh
By Elgin Toh
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<!--smart_paging_filter_done-->People’s Action Party MP Zainudin Nordin has responded to intense online criticism for a quote on democracy he posted on his Facebook page earlier this week.
The quote, by the American fantasy writer Terry Goodkind, included the line: “Gang rape, after all, is democracy in action.”
Mr Goodkind was arguing that the mob-rule form of democracy was undesirable. He made the comment during an interview in which he criticised America’s attempt to, in his words, “enforce democracy” in Iraq.
On Friday, in an e-mail reply to The Straits Times, Mr Zainudin said he had been sharing quotes he found interesting. Mr Goodkind’s quote was, in his view, “provocative” but also delivered a clear message that democracy operates on the principle of majority rule, “whether or not the choice of the majority is morally right or supports the overall good”.
“My only intent was to present my view that each individual has a choice and each decision comes with tremendous responsibilities. Hence, to follow a majority mob might be democracy, but it is democracy in its basest form. As a part of the quote says, and I agree: ‘Democracy in and of itself is not necessarily good,’” Mr Zainudin said.
He added: "I hope that Netizens will see the quote its in entirety. I never for a moment intended to offend anyone and I apologise sincerely for the unintended offence which the posting has caused."
Since he posted the quote, naysayers said he was being insensitive, especially towards women. Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam issued a statement on Wednesday calling the quote “abhorrent” and urging the MP to “retract his statement and apologise to women in Singapore”.
But others pointed out that the single line on “gang rape” had been taken out of context.
Read more in The Straits Times on Saturday
Posted on May 10, 2013 10:52 PM Updated: May 10, 2013 11:04 PM ByElgin Toh
By Elgin Toh
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<!--smart_paging_filter_done-->People’s Action Party MP Zainudin Nordin has responded to intense online criticism for a quote on democracy he posted on his Facebook page earlier this week.
The quote, by the American fantasy writer Terry Goodkind, included the line: “Gang rape, after all, is democracy in action.”
Mr Goodkind was arguing that the mob-rule form of democracy was undesirable. He made the comment during an interview in which he criticised America’s attempt to, in his words, “enforce democracy” in Iraq.
On Friday, in an e-mail reply to The Straits Times, Mr Zainudin said he had been sharing quotes he found interesting. Mr Goodkind’s quote was, in his view, “provocative” but also delivered a clear message that democracy operates on the principle of majority rule, “whether or not the choice of the majority is morally right or supports the overall good”.
“My only intent was to present my view that each individual has a choice and each decision comes with tremendous responsibilities. Hence, to follow a majority mob might be democracy, but it is democracy in its basest form. As a part of the quote says, and I agree: ‘Democracy in and of itself is not necessarily good,’” Mr Zainudin said.
He added: "I hope that Netizens will see the quote its in entirety. I never for a moment intended to offend anyone and I apologise sincerely for the unintended offence which the posting has caused."
Since he posted the quote, naysayers said he was being insensitive, especially towards women. Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam issued a statement on Wednesday calling the quote “abhorrent” and urging the MP to “retract his statement and apologise to women in Singapore”.
But others pointed out that the single line on “gang rape” had been taken out of context.
Read more in The Straits Times on Saturday
MP Zainudin sent a take-down demand to blogger Ganga, who had posted on his Facebook page a picture of the MP beside the quote.
"This is a statement by Terry Goodkind, and not me," wrote Zainudin in a e-mail message to Ganga. He threatened legal action, calling Ganga's posting mischievous, highly defamatory and "calculated to embarrass me and cause me damage".
Ganga has not taken the picture down, although he has added a clarification on the original source of the quote.
"This is a statement by Terry Goodkind, and not me," wrote Zainudin in a e-mail message to Ganga. He threatened legal action, calling Ganga's posting mischievous, highly defamatory and "calculated to embarrass me and cause me damage".
Ganga has not taken the picture down, although he has added a clarification on the original source of the quote.
so if you didnt endorse that quote from Goodkind why quote it?
so whats the point of quoting someone unless you are either you are approving or disapproving....if approving then Ganga is right,.,..... if disapproving, he didnt say so...
so wtf is this clownish buffoon telling us anyway?
he can say any fucking thing he like but he doesnt endorse it .... simi lanjiao?
PAP talking again ..... conflict of interest as palpable as PAP Town Council selling software develioped with public money to a $2 PAP company to let them milk mopney from the Town counil is NOT a conflict of interest right???
FUCK OFF UNDERSTAND PAP
....you think we are stupid AS YOU right? CCB.....
PAP always cannot win arguement then want to sue !
This is typical response from the skunks in white when they cannot win an argument. They are the sons and daughters of bastards of bastards. Only know how to make use of the kangaroo court to sue even if they are in the wrong.
At least we have one MIW admits that 60% of the voters had been "gang raped" everyday for the last 4 or 5 decades? & called it DEMOCRACY!! No wonder they look at any of the 60% they are in orgasm...
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He forgets that the basis of Democracy is to ensure the rule of law is followed. If the government abuse the rule of law, democracy ensures it gets thrown out. Is gang rape keeping with the rule of law? or has the law been violated? A 3rd rate PAPPIE like him does not even know basic political theory...these are the clowns in the PAP and yet 60% vote for them..wat a load of BS,,,
At least we have one MIW admits that 60% of the voters had been "gang raped" everyday for the last 4 or 5 decades? & called it DEMOCRACY!! No wonder they look at any of the 60% they are in orgasm...
The above is insightful. Worthy of a repeat.
A simple sorry also don't know how to say.
He really deserves all the shit thrown at him.
He really deserves all the shit thrown at him.
Hey Zainudin. Welcome to the Internet. Taking stuff down doesn't work.
Also, you can kiss goodbye to your cushy MP job... I predict the PAP will remove you to save face and save votes.
Oops, there goes an obligatory ethnic minority face in a PAP GRC.
Democracy is not a perfect system but it is much better than any system that current exists. The PAP thinks it has the perfect system but it is like a frog in the well ...it hangs on to its semi-dictatorial system because it is intellectually bankrupt and can't win in a true democratic system. The PAP system has decision forced upon the people by individuals who think that they are superior beings or demi-gods. For decades, they have being able to rule without much challenge. Thanks to the advent of social media, these demi-gods have been called out and publicly exposed to be self-serving politicians, fleecing the country.
Democracy is 100 times better than the current system. When people makes their own decision, that is the best way. It may be wrong but there is personal responsibility and accountability.
Democracy is 100 times better than the current system. When people makes their own decision, that is the best way. It may be wrong but there is personal responsibility and accountability.
The 60% SINkees "gang Raped" participants & they are LOVING IT, each time, they come to orgasm, they shout, "DEMOCRACY, DEMOCRACY"
This mat is kinky....likes gang bang....
Any pic of the wife? If chio we can help him fulfill his fetish and perform democracy in action.
Any pic of the wife? If chio we can help him fulfill his fetish and perform democracy in action.
At least we have one MIW admits that 60% of the voters had been "gang raped" everyday for the last 4 or 5 decades? & called it DEMOCRACY!! No wonder they look at any of the 60% they are in orgasm...
Stop this gang raping of us and of those that tried to speak for us like Prof Tey.
KICK OUT EVERYONE OF THOSE MAGGOTS IN WHITE IN 2016
More like civil disobedience because we subscribe to the higher law which is the rule of law so if the fucking laws enforced by a corrupt and abusive government conflicts with the rule of law, w are entitled to disregard it.....
Does not mean that the pap's laws are the correct laws when they offend the proper, right and higher laws.......
What an asshole idiot!!
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