Why Are Malays Having More Babies?

[BuiKia]

Chinese try not to leave things to chances...whereby Malay will always say...insha allah - God's willing, meaning what will be, will be.

Malays value quantity over quality.

They don't mind having 5 kids with none being outstanding.

Other races want to have lesser kids so that the resources can be concentrated to nurture them.

 

[BuiKia]

LOl! youre good lah! If private company, she would have been sacked!

That means she is being paid getting "F#@$!##%k" and not doing any work!!, civil service? most likely!...

 

[halsey02]

LOl! youre good lah! If private company, she would have been sacked!

Obviously, I have staff like that, most likely, there be 'unseen' show of hands amongst the managers, to get her sacked or "heat up the kitchen', so that, "you can't stand the heat, you leave the kitchen", or every time she come back from maternity leave, she gets less work, less responsibility!! hmmmm

 

[Charlie99]

Actually the current generation are less bigot, more tolerant & not so derogatory in their description towards THEM, 'mats', 'm&ds' are much more gentler terms though not so politically correct!!. The generation before me, will call them, "geow tor", "lan tor chun' ( lazy worms), or my mum will call them "ma lie____ (hmm, same as the wild animals that cross to Bishan Park)...and many others.

It is still common to see Malay families with three children, I have come across , with 5 ( yes, FIVE), taking the trains...have always wondered how could they feed so many??

Partially I can answer, for I have managed office dispatch staff before, they work, two or three part time jobs, borrow frequently & like to take motor cycle loans...

But they want to have so many children that I can't fathom..what is life struggling to bring them up??

:p

With respect to the number of children.
I was born and raised in Singapore, and my parents are of Chinese descent. I am one of five children in the family.
Upon graduation from university, I travelled to Toronto to work.
I met my wife at a dance hall in Toronto. She was born in Europe, and came to Toronto just before attending university.
After we got married, she did not wish to have any children, but my mother and sister persuaded her to try for one. After the first child (daughter), I persuaded her to try for a second (son), which was almost perfect. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, we had an unplanned third child less than 2 years after the second. I indicated fortunately, because the third child had no hair or rather a "peach fuzz" for 12 months, and is the only one with blonde / light brown hair (although she has the darkest colour eyes compared to her siblings). Then, we had a planned fourth child (son). On our street in Toronto, we have the most number of children in a family.

 

[Kohliantye]

Although I am not a Malay, I believe that we should be civil, and refer to them as Mats, not m&ds.

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

They are the original people of Singapore and the Constitution respects that.

They have contributed to the defence of Singapore.

They serve national service.

They have President Scholars and top PSLE students amongst them.

They die during their national service (Recent Incident in Brunei)

When there is a problem, they are hear to weather it through like all the rest of us.

They suffer just like all of us.

They have feelings and pain just like us all too.

They are not some FTs here.

Please don't be so unkind to them

They are part of us.

Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

 

[Charlie99]

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

They are the original people of Singapore and the Constitution respects that.

They have contributed to the defence of Singapore.

They serve national service.

They have President Scholars and top PSLE students amongst them.

They die during their national service (Recent Incident in Brunei)

When there is a problem, they are hear to weather it through like all the rest of us.

They suffer just like all of us.

They have feelings and pain just like us all too.

They are not some FTs here.

Please don't be so unkind to them

They are part of us.

Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

Yes, Sir.
Before I proceed, may I make one correction re: hear vs here (I am sure you know the difference).
When I was in primary school (near Mount Faber), I had many Malay friends.
I was the only Chinese boy in the school badminton team which came in second at the Combined Schools level. The other team members were Malays and one Arab.

 

[halsey02]

With respect to the number of children.
I was born and raised in Singapore, and my parents are of Chinese descent. I am one of five children in the family.
Upon graduation from university, I travelled to Toronto to work.
I met my wife at a dance hall in Toronto. She was born in Europe, and came to Toronto just before attending university.
After we got married, she did not wish to have any children, but my mother and sister persuaded her to try for one. After the first child (daughter), I persuaded her to try for a second (son), which was almost perfect. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, we had an unplanned third child less than 2 years after the second. I indicated fortunately, because the third child had no hair or rather a "peach fuzz" for 12 months, and is the only one with blonde / light brown hair (although she has the darkest colour eyes compared to her siblings). Then, we had a planned fourth child (son). On our street in Toronto, we have the most number of children in a family.

My friend in Toronto have four...hmmm!! but in SINgapore, to have more than 3 is silly!

 

[BuiKia]

I used to think just like that...until I got marginalised by Malays. Maybe only LKY and I would understand how it feels like to be in the situation.

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

They are the original people of Singapore and the Constitution respects that.

They have contributed to the defence of Singapore.

They serve national service.

They have President Scholars and top PSLE students amongst them.

They die during their national service (Recent Incident in Brunei)

When there is a problem, they are hear to weather it through like all the rest of us.

They suffer just like all of us.

They have feelings and pain just like us all too.

They are not some FTs here.

Please don't be so unkind to them

They are part of us.

Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

 

[Charlie99]

My friend in Toronto have four...hmmm!! but in SINgapore, to have more than 3 is silly!

My sister has 3, and my brother has 2.
And we only have a 3 bedroom house.

 

[sukhoi-30]

I believe it is all the different mindsets of each race. The Chinese has different aspirations, materialism being one of them. The Malays are a closely-knit society, which is true whereas Chinese tend to be less communal. For the Indians, I think they are more conservative, less contacts with the opposite sex and many of them got married through arranged marriages.

I doubt there is anything that can be done to improve the birthrate of the other races. Indians, not so much a worry as they tend to marry Indians from the continent, but for the Chinese it is the biggest worry.

Yes, I tend to agreed with jubilee on this.

I think the chinese have a different mindset from the other races on the issues of having babies. Some people deduce that Malays have more babies due to Islamic teachings . But when I look at Chinese Catholic friends, many were still chinese in mindset, either one kid or no kids at all. So religion is not a factor unless a chinese girl converts to Islam.( I had chinese girls friends who refused to give birth but after marrying Muslim men and converted, they are producing more than the 1.08 kids as per other chinese girls)

I think one most important factor is that the chinese are overly materialistic. They simply measured everything in monetary, money wised. They worried about the expenses needed to have kids or more than one kids as they want to have the best not only for their kids but they and the family as well. They want a good investment for the children in terms of education, extra classes in arts and tuition etc.This is good but overly worried might ends up nothing at all.

Another factor might be the mindset of chinese woman on marriage and childbirth. The chinese as materialitic in nature are not a communal community even though ppl talk about chinese family values etc. They are more individualistic as compared to the Malays or Indians who are more communalistic and when gotong royang allows relatives, friends to help each other in looking after the kids. The chinese are more educated and as working adults, they tend to see jobs prospects and making it successful in a working, business environment more important than just having kids and family.

Another reason might be the way the chinese tends to take care of the health of woman after childbirth. I may not be right but the chinese have several taboos in terms of food, medical care for woman after childbirth which means even employing some Yuemu to do the cooking for them. Thus it is a way to tedious for chinese girls to give birth to many kids as this means sacrificing time and money to look after themselves.

In a way, i think the materialistic nature of the chinese has create some positive as well as negative traits for their own community. The chinese treats everything in a very pragmatic way. As long as there are benefits, they will do it and vice versa if not. Its like the chinese's view of religion...and they do not really care whether this will affect their ethnic or cultural roots. Many young chinese couples even adopted pets like dogs as "kids" citing funny reasons that dogs are more obedient than actual children! You don't see these things happening in Malay married couple.

On reasons of romanticsm which the author points out, I think chinese men tends to be shy and less expressive when comes to romance and love. This may explain why other races like Angmo, Indians or even black guys are more successfu towards friending chinese girls than chinese guys themselves( it happens in US which I stay for awhile even ). A friend exclaimed that it is quite a pity that chinese guys can only friend chinese girls in KTV and bars using exorbitant rates while others non chinese guys has a easier time picking good chinese girls from work, schools etc. I'm not sure whether this is true but i have few very pretty and sucessful chinese classmates all married to angmo and indian guys and they have more than one kid.

These things are observed and may be wrong. My Malaysian chinese friends told them that their chinese community leaders had a very hard time persuading chinese girls to have more babies for the sake of their community survival in Malaysia as the chinese now are only 25 % compared to 45 % of total Malaysia population(in the 1960s). While there is some improvements, he belives the chinese would not care much about the general concern of the whole chinese community except for their own personal convenience.

 

[Television]

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

They are the original people of Singapore and the Constitution respects that.

They have contributed to the defence of Singapore.

They serve national service.

They have President Scholars and top PSLE students amongst them.

They die during their national service (Recent Incident in Brunei)

When there is a problem, they are hear to weather it through like all the rest of us.

They suffer just like all of us.

They have feelings and pain just like us all too.

They are not some FTs here.

Please don't be so unkind to them

They are part of us.

Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTABLE STATEMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN SAMMYBOY.

Kudos to you old timer.

Selemat Hari raya to the Malays and Muslims of SINGAPURA.

 

[halsey02]

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

They are the original people of Singapore and the Constitution respects that.

They have contributed to the defence of Singapore.

They serve national service.

They have President Scholars and top PSLE students amongst them.

They die during their national service (Recent Incident in Brunei)

When there is a problem, they are hear to weather it through like all the rest of us.

They suffer just like all of us.

They have feelings and pain just like us all too.

They are not some FTs here.

Please don't be so unkind to them

They are part of us.

Selamat Hari Raya to all Muslims.

We are not talking if they are not part of us...only recently you hear them serving NS, during my time, is a rarity & some of them even boasted they are 'royalty' that is why they never served in the army...if they do, it is the Police Force or Civil Defense..in my time, I have only come across one Malay 2nd Lt., and there were others, but they were from the British days... so what they are dying serving National Service, during my NS days, we have our colleagues died during field exercises & overseas, not only the Chinese, Indians & Eurasians too!

We are talking about, why they have so many babies...I have one working under me , many years ago...kids came along 'back to back'..wife not working, had a total of 4 kids & stopped...won't want to divulge what I told that chappy, why stopped at 4!! might as well go to 5 or 6, since that chappy is so blesses!! ( religiously & politically incorrect). We have to back up this chappy at work, for was often late, sick, emergency leave, etc.. plus before pay day borrow money, after pay day borrow money..etc Holding a regular job, but moonlighting at night & weekends..

the question is why do they have so many babies...we are never unkind to them...it takes them 50 years to change our perception of them..

 

[Fook Seng]

Chinese think too much and use the wrong head to think. Also the covering up by Malays could actually make the act more exciting and more precious, so a more successful outcome.

Nowadays, Chinese wear very little - hot pants, short skirts (especially when riding taxi, to enjoy the discount, according to Mdm Tang), leaving nothing to imagination and therefore nothing else to anticipate when you remove that.

 

[Charlie99]

My friend in Toronto have four...hmmm!! but in SINgapore, to have more than 3 is silly!

During the old days, my wife did not collect the extended 50 week EI (Employment Insurance benefits for ladies on maternity leave), because it was only introduced not too long ago.
In addition, we do not qualify for child tax benefits (which is based on total family income and the number of children).
Therefore, the govt cannot alleged that we had 4 children, in order to collect child tax benefits.

 

[Television]

I used to think just like that...until I got marginalised by Malays. Maybe only LKY and I would understand how it feels like to be in the situation.

Who is more guilty of marginalizing the other communities? LKY is a bigot and will always be remembered as a bigot by the minority community.

My generation is extremely united and do not condemn one another so easily unlike those of the older generation. If internet existed during the 50s,60s,70s,80s I can guarantee that there will be at least 50 people getting arrested weekly for racism. This generation, Yes it has some bigots contaminated by the older generation but generally Gen Y do not share your sentiment and the stereotypes of the other racial Community. The older generation of Singapore is still Chinese/malay/indian 1st then Singaporean 2nd. (Gen X/Baby Boomers).

 

[Kohliantye]

[QUOTE=Charlie99;1180482]Yes, Sir.
Before I proceed, may I make one correction re: hear vs here (I am sure you know the difference).
When I was in primary school (near Mount Faber), I had many Malay friends.
I was the only Chinese boy in the school badminton team which came in second at the Combined Schools level. The other team members were Malays and one Arab.[/QUOTE]

Noted. Many Thanks bro...

 

[Kohliantye]

We are not talking if they are not part of us...only recently you hear them serving NS, during my time, is a rarity & some of them even boasted they are 'royalty' that is why they never served in the army...if they do, it is the Police Force or Civil Defense..in my time, I have only come across one Malay 2nd Lt., and there were others, but they were from the British days... so what they are dying serving National Service, during my NS days, we have our colleagues died during field exercises & overseas, not only the Chinese, Indians & Eurasians too!

We are talking about, why they have so many babies...I have one working under me , many years ago...kids came along 'back to back'..wife not working, had a total of 4 kids & stopped...won't want to divulge what I told that chappy, why stopped at 4!! might as well go to 5 or 6, since that chappy is so blesses!! ( religiously & politically incorrect). We have to back up this chappy at work, for was often late, sick, emergency leave, etc.. plus before pay day borrow money, after pay day borrow money..etc Holding a regular job, but moonlighting at night & weekends..

the question is why do they have so many babies...we are never unkind to them...it takes them 50 years to change our perception of them..

Dear Halsey,

What I am trying to say is that we should love and NOT loathe them. They are like us too - HUMANS.

The fact that they are having babies is that they are seeing the positive side of it.

Even a father, who is deep in crime will never allow his kids to go wayward the same way that he did. Self-pride............

I am sure you may have known such cases yourself.

If the Malays can have more kids so can all the rest of Singaporeans.

Off course the Government should roll in lot of goodies to encourage procreation.

Lip-service won't make any good.

There should be action - everyone knows that it is expensive bringing up kids - the price of milk products, pampers and special food, not forgetting the high sum paid for deliveries and post-natal care.

Look around us and you will see that many Malays (of both sexes) are marrying other races.

The union of two races brings the two closer to respect each other's customs and traditions.

With the passage of time, we will have new citizens with open minds.

That is what we want for our beloved SINGAPORE. Don't we???????????

It is no use always crying foul when one succeed and the other is left behind.

We have to join in the race.

Please don't get me wrong as I sincerely believe that we should LOVE and not LOATHE.

 

[laksaboy]

If the Malay community's fertility rate is as low as the Chinese, I doubt the PAP would have made a hoo-ha over the fertility 'problem', nor would it have imported all the Tiongs to make up the numbers.

The PAP knows that the day the Chinese population becomes the minority, or even dips below a certain percentage threshold, is the day the PAP will be ousted from power. It's politically incorrect and they would not admit it (cue the highfalutin about multi racial society), but deep down inside they know it is true. It is their darkest fear.

The PAP is only doing that which is politically expedient for its own continued cling onto power: getting Singaporean CHINESE to make more babies.

 

[LEROY13]

the differents is they are not dumb asses. they dont waste time believing in ghost and fucking burn everywhere around the island, knncb fucking irritating. i cant breath. stupid yellow skin

 

[Narong Wongwan]

I really don't understand why these race is always taken to task.

It's LKY's tactics to play race card to divide and conquer.
Come up with all the racist policies.