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Ways to help increase the birth rate in Singapore.

Ash007

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This seems to be a topic of concern for the PAP and Singapore's society in general. I'm sure many will start highlighting the poor communication and implementation of the government's policies regarding this problem. Lets all move on and start suggesting what we can do to help improve the situation.

Here are some of my thoughts regarding this.
Singapore is a stressful society to live in.
Making babies are not the top priority when living, standards of living, comfort is at risk. Why bring in a new born when you run the risk of being replaced by an FT before you even reach 40. The expected overtime, overworked, hectic lifestyle causes not only psychological trauma in wanting to have a newborn but also physical stresses that could cause low-sperm counts in men and maybe irregular menstrual cycle in women. From anecdotal accounts, most couples in Singapore seems to be able to conceive a baby while overseas. Which leads to this suggestion.

1) Giving paid vacation for newly weds. Give them time to make babies out of the stressful environment that is Singapore. Go to wide open spaces in Australia, US, Antarctica. PAP, could potentially organise a baby making tours just for couples and have couples councillors in the trip to assist in any problem that can arise.

Singapore has a largely Asian culture where monetary status is needs to be achieve before starting a family. You need to have a car/house/credit card/5-6Cs before any couple will start thinking of having a newborn. Perhaps, the government should start revamping the education system to destress more on the monetary achievements but more on the intellectual, philosophical side of life. Encourage volunteers, help out the needy. At the end of the day, introduce curriculum where everything is not black or white but shades of grey. Perhaps by educating our next generation, material wealth not be seen as being more important then psychological, mental health.

2) Introduce education material like Eric fromm's "to have or to be". Ivan Illich's "Deschooling society". Education should be the first step that the material world is not everything. You are not a failure if you are a mechanic, salesman, plumber but that is what you want to do in life and they provide a valid earning and contribute to society as well.

The law regarding fair work dismissal, is practically non-existent in Singapore. You hear story of pregnant women returning to work only to be dismissed. Or them being heavily suggested to quit.

3) Make AWARE focus more on unfair termination, discrimination against pregnant workers rather then just divorces. AWARE motive is to promote womens issue, why is it that getting unfairly treated during and after pregnancy is not on their main agenda?

There is always the stick.
You can only get so far in offering carrots. Someone once said they should stick the spurs on Singaporean's hide. Instead of giving baby bonus tax cuts its time to fine/tax couples/adults that doesn't have kid.

4)fine/tax adults that doesn't have a kid.
Implement a new fund, a child bearing fund, CBF, similar structure to the existing CPF. For about 10% of salary of an adult Singaporean's working life this will be deducted with employers contribution on top of this. This will continue until you have your first kid. Contribution to CBF might be reduced untill the third kid is born, in which case, the funds could be used for child related expenses, e.g. schooling, books, nappies etc. This will be subject to minimum sum so as to ensure a lump sum will not be withdrawn at a go. If an adult does not have a kid till the age of 60, this will be lumped together with the CPF and subject to the withdrawal criteria. This will provide a) adequate fundings to raise a kid, b)provide additional cash when an adult goes into retirement and has no children to take care of.

I hope we will have more suggestions coming from this beloved forum. And wish the PAP would implement some of these suggestions.
 
Why obey the government at all? The government treats you like mere farm animals and digits.

It told you to 'stop at two', you meekly obeyed.

Now it tells you to 'make more babies' will you blindly comply as well?

Think for yourself.

Procreating is a private matter, and only two factors should be considered:

1) Can you afford to raise children?
2) Do you want children?

Do not let anyone else tell you what to do: not your parents, not the in-laws, not your married friends, and definitely not the government.
 
Very good and valid points you have raised. Many singaporeans have likewise given their feedbacks. There are many sacred cows and policies which the pap have implemented and which have contributed to the present situation. Unless we are prepared to slaughter these sacred cows and admit that some policies were mistakes, we are not likely to make much progress in iincreasing the TFR
 
Indeed, children do not benefit the family now then it was before but they are vital for a society. Having kids means more to society then to their own parents in the long run. What the government is afraid of is that there won't be any Singaporean around to benefit society in the terms of tax collection for the future. Would you rather they continue importing FTs to take care of you when you are old, or some local born Singaporean doing that? The government has a valid point, they may have done the wrong process, implementation but this concerns Singapore as a society in the future rather then now. Sure you can be selfish about this and refuse to budge. This thread is about how we can help the society grow or maintain for the future not about making you decide what they government wants you to do.

Why obey the government at all? The government treats you like mere farm animals and digits.

It told you to 'stop at two', you meekly obeyed.

Now it tells you to 'make more babies' will you blindly comply as well?

Think for yourself.

Procreating is a private matter, and only two factors should be considered:

1) Can you afford to raise children?
2) Do you want children?

Do not let anyone else tell you what to do: not your parents, not the in-laws, not your married friends, and definitely not the government.
 
I remember the same policy in getting "teachers". In the end they relied on getting teachers from overseas. I wonder what happened to the campaign to become teachers now. This topic goes beyond just PAP is bad or good. It will affect current generations and generations to come in the future. Imagine 30-40 years from now, who will take care of you if you have no kids? Singapore society will be gone, dead. So please, we know they have a lot of crap policy, the question is how to move on from there.

Very good and valid points you have raised. Many singaporeans have likewise given their feedbacks. There are many sacred cows and policies which the pap have implemented and which have contributed to the present situation. Unless we are prepared to slaughter these sacred cows and admit that some policies were mistakes, we are not likely to make much progress in iincreasing the TFR
 
Here are some of my views:

Which has higher birthrate? Rural agrarian society ot urbanized indsutrial? The former.

Which as a higher birthrate? Low literacy or high literate society? The former.

Which society easier to raise a family? Low-cost of living or high cost of living society? The former.

Which of the above area does Peesai belong to? The lattter.

Good luck chums.

Cheers!
 
I remember the same policy in getting "teachers". In the end they relied on getting teachers from overseas. I wonder what happened to the campaign to become teachers now. This topic goes beyond just PAP is bad or good. It will affect current generations and generations to come in the future. Imagine 30-40 years from now, who will take care of you if you have no kids? Singapore society will be gone, dead. So please, we know they have a lot of crap policy, the question is how to move on from there.

Ask the teachers....Many teachers are resigning from MOE because they are not teachers but mere digits. They dont get job satisfaction. MOE are recruiting foreign teachers which compounds rather than solve the problem. Instead of solving the root cause of teachers' resignation, MOE solves the symptoms.

It is so typical of the pap's problem solving ability.

If the pap refuses to tackle the root cause, they will continue to run in circles.

so if the pap refuses to see the root causes of low TFR, it will never be able to solve the problem
 
Indeed, children do not benefit the family now then it was before but they are vital for a society. Having kids means more to society then to their own parents in the long run. What the government is afraid of is that there won't be any Singaporean around to benefit society in the terms of tax collection for the future. Would you rather they continue importing FTs to take care of you when you are old, or some local born Singaporean doing that? The government has a valid point, they may have done the wrong process, implementation but this concerns Singapore as a society in the future rather then now. Sure you can be selfish about this and refuse to budge. This thread is about how we can help the society grow or maintain for the future not about making you decide what they government wants you to do.

Who cares about the abstract entity called 'society'? Does society care about you?

The government will continue to import FTs, regardless of the fertility rate. This recent debate about fertility rate is nothing more than a red herring for the govt to absolve itself of any sins for a blatantly pro-foreigner policy.

Also, people who choose not to procreate (singles and married couples) are no less selfish or less self-indulgent than those who chose to breed. In fact, from a purely biological perspective the breeders are more 'selfish' because they are propagating their genes onto the next generation.
 
There is only one way: remove all the PAP ministers. Birth rate will sore immediately.
 
TFR for Australia is 1.89, TFR for Singapore is 1.16. You come down to any major Australian cities and you will see kids everywhere. Is Australia a Rural agrarian society? A low literacy country? Low cost of living here?

Here are some of my views:

Which has higher birthrate? Rural agrarian society ot urbanized indsutrial? The former.

Which as a higher birthrate? Low literacy or high literate society? The former.

Which society easier to raise a family? Low-cost of living or high cost of living society? The former.

Which of the above area does Peesai belong to? The lattter.

Good luck chums.

Cheers!
 
30% discount for BTOs for singaporean families with 1 child.

Additional 5% discount for every child thereafter.

Priority for singaporean families with kids in BTO & Sale of Balance Flats Exercises.

20 to 30% Subsidies for singaporean families with kids when buying resale flats (if cannot wait 4-5 years for BTO completion).

Last but not least..

Organise a Sex Awareness Week, with a Sexpo convention held at Singapore Expo/Suntec City during the week! :D
 
yes SEXPO! Why don't the government encourage more SEX!?

30% discount for BTOs for singaporean families with 1 child.

Additional 5% discount for every child thereafter.

Priority for singaporean families with kids in BTO & Sale of Balance Flats Exercises.

20 to 30% Subsidies for singaporean families with kids when buying resale flats (if cannot wait 4-5 years for BTO completion).

Last but not least..

Organise a Sex Awareness Week, with a Sexpo convention held at Singapore Expo/Suntec City during the week! :D
 
Time for the bold measure, free education medical for each child. Assign partner to each citizens at age 18 to start fucking govt to pay for upbringing. Since many time we r not marrying hence cannot reproduce have a wedding bonus n ggift including house. Bold n ex yes but if pap wants solutions they need bite the bullet
 
I say, just abolish the inns keeper act requiring both parties to register.

And ask AV to relek one corner.

Very soon the birth rate will go through the roof. :D
 
Get more sex into Singapore.
Although Singapore has the topless bar, R21 rating, the government are still keeping it conservative in the society as much as possible. There needs to be better and more sex education in Singapore. Introduce sexpo, allow AV local production in the country. Recent months of sex scandals involving minors and sex for contracts/grades news have shown Singaporean are willing to go the extra mile in getting sex. Why not provide more avenues and opportunity for its citizens to explore these.

5) Introduce AV production in Singapore and allow more sex shops, sexpo in the country.
 
bro ash007, to have or not to have kids are really the choice of the couples. i personally felt govt should not implement policy to force ppl to have children. pap already tried it in the 70s with the stop at two nonsense and now look what happen..

There had been many instance where nations try to boost population even 2000plus years ago. remember the Xi Shi story? Yue king Gou Jian want to boost population so as to increase the size of his army implemented many laws. Parents with offsprings in child bearing age yet no marry were throw into prison. The State also will pay for the rearing of the second child and beyond. Age gap between the newly wed cannot be too big so as to ensure one was not too old to make babies. etc etc... u really want the State to dictate how many children u should have?

by the way, u believe pap statistic on population renewal? the malays was listed at 1.69, sure or not, so low meh? my next door neighbour have 3 kids, my colleague have 3 kids too. My mum downstair neighbours have 5-6 children from his three UNMARRIED daughters. another of my neighour down the corridor, her elder daughter have 5 kids, i never see the kids father.

as for chinese figure of 1.09 are also too low to believe, most my peers are married, have at least 1 kid but average ard 2, a few 3. sure there a few of them not marry yet but that dont mean they wont marry & have kids. yes, the population is greying but that because the baby boomers are now in their 50-60. those day, families commonly have 5-6 kids. not i black heart but once current 60-70s hand in IC, then the figure wont look as bad. if the 1.09 is truth, then find out which section of the chinese population are not pulling his/her weight in maintaining population growth.

if u believe only thru govt policy can boost population numbers, i know a easy way. Just outlaw AWARE and scraped the many unfair laws against men, then maybe ppl like laksaboy will believe in marriage and have children.
 
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Time for the bold measure, free education medical for each child. Assign partner to each citizens at age 18 to start fucking govt to pay for upbringing. Since many time we r not marrying hence cannot reproduce have a wedding bonus n ggift including house. Bold n ex yes but if pap wants solutions they need bite the bullet

wow, u want pap to be Yue King Gou Jian.
 
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