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Singaporeans should NEVER support China

i think the Chinese historical claims are based on the Yuan dynasty based in China, not the Mongol empire. the Yuan dynasty was one of four khanates under the Mongol empire. the Yuan dynasty is a imperial Chinese dynasty in official Chinese histories.

Yes. Using Yuan dynasty also does not hold water.
Tibet came under Mongol influence before Kublai Khan's conquest of China and regaining complete independence from the Mongols several decades before China regained its independence.
 
I'm rather hazy on the burmese and shan issue and didn't china give back shan to burma? Something along those lines. Look it's a fact of life. Humans enslave and kill one another. Muslims took over egypt and now they have lost their original religion for eg. The turkish took over the holy roman empire and it's a part of turkey today. US won texas from mexico and killed the red indians. These are just a few examples. Here's the problem though. Don't you think it's weird when all of a sudden the focus is only on one country that does what everyone does and they actually want to talk about morals and point fingers at said country when they themselves do it. It's the proverbial pot calling the kettle black issue. Also tibet and china have always had a close relationship. If china didn't take over tibet, tibet would have done the same but i'm sure ppl are fine with tibet taking over china.

All this hypocrisy that has been exposed time and again just shows the motives these nations and ppl have.

my point is historical claims are often ambiguous. China/Tibet issue is. Burma/Shan as well. was Shan State an independent kingdom? was it an autonomous or dependent region under the Burma King? the Qing also claimed Shan State as her territory till the British took over the Shan States in 1890. PRC Mao gave away Shan State ( fuck him, 5 times the size of Taiwan ) for free to Burma in 1950 just for the sake of evicting General Li Mi remnant nationalist troops from Chinese land.

i agree with you. every countries do that ( grab lands by force ). but if China do it, it's the worst atrocities in human history. China like all countries are looking after her national and security interests.
 
Yes. Using Yuan dynasty also does not hold water.
Tibet came under Mongol influence before Kublai Khan's conquest of China and regaining complete independence from the Mongols several decades before China regained its independence.

i think you should argue this issue on the Qing dynasty claims. Yuan dynasty was too far back. the PRC historial claims/legitimacy on Tibet was based on ROC/Qing territories.
 
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my point of contention is that PRC got no legitimate claim over Tibet. They annexed Tibet just like you said because they were stronger. Tibet was invaded.

I did not say it was okay for the US or other countries to annex their neighbours, you bringing in US and the rest is a strawman's argument. I am not well versed in Texas and Irian Jaya's history.....perhaps i will do my research while in prison when i have all the time in the world.
I have been to Tibet and seen first hand the oppression of the Tibetans by PRC government and the Free Tibet movement. I have not been to Texas or Irian Jaya but so far I have not heard of any Free Texas campaign.

Tibet has always been a part of china since yuan it was under the qing administration. Only during those turbulent times did they get some measure of freedom i suppose. Anyway the tibetian elites enslave the poorer tibetians too. China got back tibet and that's that. Thailand got issan from cambodia didn't it? The US won mexican lands and some areas from the spanish didn't they? Iran jaya belongs to the papuans but the indoensians took it. The papuans cannot hold protests because they are mostly tribal ppl that don't speak english! They don't have some famous hollywood star backing them up due to his own romantic views. If you want to talk about legtitmate claim as in semantics then that's even sillier. Russia has no legittimate claim over the russian far east but they took it over anyhow and they think it's a part of russia. Why don't somehow ask them about legitimate claims?

The US and mexico are so far away from SG and asia so you wouldn't know but it exists over there and elsewhere.

Go and google on the nation of aztlan. Here's a report on aztlan. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/160704ifmexico.htm

The mexicans want it back and they are trying to do so by immigration invasion and holding protests.

You want to talk about legitimacy here and on semantics why not try telling the americans that the land belongs to the mexicans. I think you would be shot by them. How did they get those lands like arizona, texas etc? By annexing them from mexico la! Cos they were stronger and won the war. Yet this isn't the issue here. It's on semantics and legitimacy here. They certainly have no legitimate claims on texas and the southern states. They took them from mexico. Try arguing with the americans on it and like i mentioned you might get violence shown to you and be shot even. Yet here's the problem. Some ppl will find that perfectly fine. It's perfectly ok for americans to commit violence and shoot ppl that say they don't have legitimate claim on texas but chinese ppl cannot do that on the tibet issue. The americans are perfectly and morally correct to behave in that manner.

Do you think in that same manner too? I believe that the mexicans should have the nation of aztlan since they were the original inhabitants and still live there today. Whites are reproducing lesser than them. So how? I'm sure you will agree with me that the US has no legitimate claim on texas and the other southern states.
 
Not At This Point Of Time

Vietnam claiming emplty islands with no people claiming ownership. China is claiming lands (country) of an people that has ownership of the land.


I dono whether you are an Independence for Tibet activist.

It's a difficult situation when some countries like Russia is also holding on to quite a large chunk of land belonging to others (non-Russian ethnic groups) too. But, Tibet was conquered and it was under the control of the emperors of the Ching dynasty as far back as the 16th century ? China has annexed this place for 400 years.

Anyway, having a Lama back as a monarch is definitely a no-no. Not all will want these aristocrats to come back and haunt them again. CCP is a bad party somehow. But, who is the better alternative ruler ?

China cannot allow Tibet to be free. Why ? Go and think hard.
 
my point is historical claims are often ambiguous. China/Tibet issue is. Burma/Shan as well. was Shan State an independent kingdom? was it an autonomous or dependent region under the Burma King? the Qing also claimed Shan State as her territory till the British took over the Shan States in 1890. PRC Mao gave away Shan State ( fuck him, 5 times the size of Taiwan ) for free to Burma in 1950 just for the sake of evicting General Li Mi remnant nationalist troops from Chinese land.

i agree with you. every countries do that ( grab lands by force ). but if China do it, it's the worst atrocities in human history. China like all countries are looking after her national and security interests.


The shan should free themselves from burma yet nobody says anything at all cos you know it's burma controlling the shan not china.

Ah yes thanks for telling me the story on this. Well mao gave it away to get rid of his enemy. I find that a silly move but that's what he did. I'm glad you can see the bloody double standards here. The brits took over parts of china and so did the 7 other western powers but nobody has an issue with that. China managed to get back most of her lands after that period and some ppl are pissed off talking about really silly things like legitimate claims and other such semantics like morality and so on. Mind you that only applies to china. Like i wrote earlier on the US taking over mexican lands. The americans don't think it's anything wrong. They won the war they deserve those lands and fuck legitimacy. What's worse is non americans like some forummers here think yeah it's cool for the americans to do it to mexico and other countries like thailand taking over malay lands in south thailand in which they have no legititmacy BUT when china does it suddenly it's a question on morality and legitimacy and other type of BS even though tibet and china always had a close symbiotic relationship.

Seriously why not ask about does thailand have legitimate claims on southern thailand which is mostly muslim and consist of malay kingdoms. Of course not. Yet you know it's fine they don't have an issue with it. They don't bother to rant online about how cruel and bad thailand is for taking over southern thailand and the malay kingdoms. This is just 1 of the many examples of countries that have taken over other countries and lands that did not belong to them.
 
Re: Not At This Point Of Time

I dono whether you are an Independence for Tibet activist.

It's a difficult situation when some countries like Russia is also holding on to quite a large chunk of land belonging to others (non-Russian ethnic groups) too. But, Tibet was conquered and it was under the control of the emperors of the Ching dynasty as far back as the 16th century ? China has annexed this place for 400 years.

Anyway, having a Lama back as a monarch is definitely a no-no. Not all will want these aristocrats to come back and haunt them again. CCP is a bad party somehow. But, who is the better alternative ruler ?

China cannot allow Tibet to be free. Why ? Go and think hard.

Knn fucking russia want to control so many ppls lands. Last time as the ussr they were even worse. Knn fucking russians................ Opps this only applies to chinese ppl.
 
PAP Voters ?

Please tell me this is irony. :(


I'm sure there are two stories in every aspect of this issue. Some who were under the bondage of the lamas wanted freedom and so PLA was their saviour. On the other hand, those that have good relationship and benefited from this regime will want to fight back. Then, you always have those ultra-nationalists or separatists who wanted their own way of governance or country back (independence) - future terrorist wannabes. These people could be the minority, not popular enough. So, there you go, you still have got a die hard PAP supporters.
 
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I'm actually "I Like Chocolate But Not In My Ice Cream" (future clone).

Must share these interesting pics mah. KNN, they copy almost exactly the same without shame.
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Blacks Are No Saints

Try being an arbo in oz or a black in the US and called nigger and then come back and talk about being treated better. Asshole.


I heard that blacks are dangerous people too. Some of the streets you have to avoid (street gangs controlled territory, police don't care unless call for help). Do not stop your car or bus in those places where the majority are blacks.
 
Re: Blacks Are No Saints

I heard that blacks are dangerous people too. Some of the streets you have to avoid (street gangs controlled territory, police don't care unless call for help). Do not stop your car or bus in those places where the majority are blacks.

Some blacks are dangerous but not all of them are criminals. I have black frens too and they are normal ppl college graduates with normal paying jobs. The thing is that blacks definitely suffer more racial discrmination compared to ppl in singapore.
 
Fuckin Blacks In Sinkiesland

Some blacks are dangerous but not all of them are criminals. I have black frens too and they are normal ppl college graduates with normal paying jobs. The thing is that blacks definitely suffer more racial discrmination compared to ppl in singapore.


Blacks ... I remember one from Africa (really black) was a guai lun fuck up type. He thought he FT so he could ask for this and that quickly. His grandfather gym mah. I forked him, he kept quiet. Of course, he not happy when I scolded him.

Foreigners are encroaching nearer to our living space. But, Lee and Lee can hardly care about the small gym and our HDB flats.

Luckily, he kept quiet. CCB I was going to MMA him.
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this has always been the point of contention.
PRCs have distorted history and bent facts to suit themselves just like our MIWs.

During the 13th and 14th centuries both China and Tibet came under the influence of the Mongol empire. China claims today that Tibet and China during that time became one country, by virtue of the Mongols domination of both nations. In validating this claim, it must first be remembered that virtually all of Asia was dominated by the Mongols under Kublai Khan and his successors, who ruled the largest empire in human history. Second, the respective relationships between the Mongols and the Tibetans and between the Mongols and Chinese must be examined. These two relationships were not only radically different in nature, but they also started and ended at different times. Tibet came under Mongol influence before Kublai Khan's conquest of China and regaining complete independence from the Mongols several decades before China regained its independence.

going by this logic if PRC wants to count this way then they have more legitimate claims over many countries now as the mongol empire covered 16% of the Earth's total land area.

Well it's typical behavior of PRC Chinese supporters, this is why nobody will ever agree with them apart from their themselves, their only logic is the Han Chinese logic which is laughable to the world. Nobody is allowed to claim lands from China but it's ok when China claim lands from others this is their logic.

This is how PRC Chinese supporters thinks: Well these bad ass Americans stole LA and Texas from the Indians 150 years ago, and Vietnam are also claiming empty islands that nobody claimed ownership (and the're no people living in it either) so why can't we Chinese claim and occupy lands from 7 or 8 countries that has several millions of people living, who cares if they were first indigenous people, Americans and Russians did that hundred years ago aswell ? if others can do it once or twice why can't our China do it 7 or 8 times. We already have Tibet, East Turkistan, Manchuria, Inner Mongolia for 60 years but it's actually 300 year or more if we include foreign invaders like Yuan and Qing who massacred and ruled the Han Chinese and other countries like Tibet for few hundred years, and they did this all in the name of China according to PRC supporters. At the same we PRC can also continue to claim islands from Vietnam, Philippines or lands from India, and Central Asia, since the others have done it before hundred years ago, it's OK for China to do it in this modern time and age, and we can be more greedy than anyone aswell.

Han Chinese are the successors of Qing dynasty? couldn't have been possible if they didn't overthrew the Qing rule and they properly pointed gun in the last Qing emperors head and forced him to sign the legitimacy of other territories like Tibet to Han Chinese, if the Manchus were still in power they would have never surrendered it to the Han Chinese for anything. Tibet are not happy with Han Chinese rule just like Han Chinese were not happy with Qing dynasty rule, that was why there was an Xinhai revolution to overthrew the corrupted Qing who abused and oppress the poor Han Chinese in China, this is also the reason the ancestors of early Singaporeans migrated. In fact Sun Yat Sen (first president of China) claimed them as foreign barbarians.
 
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You sound really dumb by making up inferences with 0 hard evidence to back it up and i just simply called a spade a spade. You sound dumb that's a fact so what's there to be offended about?

It's 0 hard evidence when you're confronting an PRC supporter, they choose to ignore and not acknowledge of the things they don't want to see, and throwing insults is an solution for them.

youtube in singlish? Yes that's right you see why didn't you dare answer my question? Cos that makes you look stupid. You don't know how viets, koreans etc think cos they don't write in english on english forums. The majority of them write on their own language forums.

I couldn't answer your question because it was a too damn stupid question. Asking what the language is youtube mostly in is like asking what's the language the internet is mostly in. It's also total irrelevant to bring out what Viet's and Koreans writing mostly in English or in their own language, is none of our damn business.


You need to your eyes check, there is more than enough anti-PRC comments in this forum.:rolleyes:

HAHAHAHA using this forum to gauge anti prc sentiment is even worse than using youtube. :rolleyes:

You were asking me about standards of living now you change to behavior ah? Yeah i see a few prcs climbing into the bus and then what? Ppl from other countries do it too. Let me remind you again but the bigger population of the prc. Then you showed me a picture of some china ppl squashed inside a train. That happens in japan too so the japanese are as bad correct?

Well I admit I'm kinda anti-PRC but that's also how lots of Singaporeans feel nowadays, but aren't you anti-Keling (Indians) yourself? so don't judge me.

You always try to compare with other countries but you never compare Singaporeans with them. You say other countries did the same like these PRC Chinese can you prove it to me?

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And even if you did proved it to me it doesn't change the fact it happens in China more often than any other country and this is my point. The shitting, pissing and other disgusting craps are always more common in China than in any other country I know. Know sure you could say that it happens everywhere but the proportion is always way higher in China than in any other country that's the real problem. If somebody does it once or twice people would think it's mental problem but it You say other countries do it too? prove it to me.

Cannot help it what. When ppl write something so stupid you just cannot help it but to laugh out long and loud. HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHaH

I see...keep expressing your big and long laughter in these forums.

i saw that list you wrote. Did you know your beloved US is right at the top. Hey china is less hated than the US so that's fine. Actually who says china wants to own the entire south china sea? Did you know an entire ocean is named after india. So i suppose the indian ocean belongs to india then. :rolleyes:

If you review at all my post I never once supported U.S actions, it's only you who made this claim about me. The only reason you keep bringing out U.S with China it's because you need to find justification that what China did is correct.



Don't act like a snake lah. You mentioned that a few chinese pee and shit in public and that's bad so i mentioned ok a few US ppl also did it and then you suddenly changed standards. Also it's a fact that ppl will associate SG with china. Ever heard SG is a part of china phrase? It's not jay chou that mentioned SG sucks. It's his co-star or rather the star of the green hornet who is a jewish ang moh fella. Can you read or not? Go search on him and find his interview where he says SG sucks.

I mentioned many Chinese do this and that even an few cases are bad. You told me of one Ang moh women doing that and you want to make an comparison with China?

I don't give an crap if it was Jay or his co-stars said, if there's anything about SG it's properbly for crap like what an boring country or other crap, for China it would be every disgusting thing not heard of before, like poison drinks or animal abuses.

Yeah i know the population of india. You want to make a pt make it don't just write pointless statements. Oic so thailand is worse compared to china in terms of chicken.

Yes in terms of Chickens Thais are worse, because 5% of their economy depends on Chickens. PRC Chinese women doesn't yet they shameless migrate to other overseas to get their nest poked by overseas Chinese and non-Chinese. We Singaporeans will never allow our own women to degrade themselves like these shameless PRC chickens.

Why don't you flipping understand? you told me of one ang moh,


y as long as you can see ppl pissing and shitting in public that proves the entire country is junk. I then followed YOUR standards and mentioned ok i can find an example of that occuring in the US too but yeah she has to be mentally ill. [/COLOR]:rolleyes: FYI you want me to find more pics of ppl shitting in public in the US that's easy to do. PPl shit and pee in the open everywhere all the time

The proportion of PRC Chinese who commit these acts is far higher than anybody and that's my point.

I don't see the problem sticking up for chinese. I'm chinese so i stick up for them. Nothing wrong. It's you that somehow needs to find some type of reason to say why chinese cannot stick up for other chinese yet you don't have a problem when other races do it. Do you think ang moh countries stick up for one another? Of course. Malays do it so do indians and so on but you don't have a problem there yet somehow you have a problem when chinese stick up for other chinese. You must be one weird fucker wanting to see chinese ppl be disunited. Probably a chinese dog here. Actually what are you writing about and mohs and kelings reading? You must be mad. :D I managed to disprove all your so called "truths" as BS that you simply cooked up from your asshole. Also pls lah don't put words into my mouth. I didn't ask you to prove anything. I merely showcased the facts that other countries also do the things ppl in china do. Every other country claims lands and kills other ethnicities so what the chinese do is normal therefore what's there to call them the most evil ppl in the world? You see you're just full of shit, dishonest and i have managed to refute all your false allegiations.

And this points out exactly why you've been bias. You been calling me bias but the truth is you're only sticking out for China because you're Chinese who don't want to acknowledged the problem of China, and so you keep using U.S.A who's in the same level of China to justify their actions Btw throwing insults shows your frustration and cowardice in confronting me in a civil manner. You must be out of your mind if you want Singaporeans to stood in the same level as PRC Chinese. If they do something shameful it should their own problem solo and nobody else. And if you think I'm disuniting Chinese you should ask why Hong Kongers hate PRC Chinese so much . And that's not the worst part, there was an Taiwanese video who celebrated the invasion of China by Japan, it got deleted because it was too graphic. And when you ask why Taiwanese hate PRC Chinese well there pointing missiles to Taiwan and threatening their independence, so who's disuniting China

Btw you should check out this video

蝗蟲天下Locust World (Subtitled with English)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueNr7mfFZu8
 
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Haha Mercury. I admire your indefatigability. I've long given up on this schizo. It's beneath me to debate with a crackpot. :D
 
Haha Mercury. I admire your indefatigability. I've long given up on this schizo. It's beneath me to debate with a crackpot. :D

I is for indefatigability! LOL!

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Interesting debate on Tibet.

So no way to own the pro-Tibetan ang mohs when trolling them online? :confused:
 
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