no la only phone number police can trace liaowah the pimp gave away the particulars of the men so those men that joined have to give name, number, ic address and everything just like joining a country club for eg.
no la only phone number police can trace liaowah the pimp gave away the particulars of the men so those men that joined have to give name, number, ic address and everything just like joining a country club for eg.
based on the news... defence is spot on! if the identity of the whore was bogus, nobody would know if she was indeed underaged or not. besides, if there's no victim, the prosecution cant press charges based on a phantom "whore".
i think defense has successfully made the public prosecutors look amatuer
I think that is only minor technicality. Eventually, the prostitute will be called as prosecution witness.
Goh Meng Seng
We're still not sure if the prostitute is a Singaporean. If she is not, it's unlikely that she is still in Singapore. If she happens to be a local citizen, I cannot think of any incentive on her part to testify on behalf of the prosecution. She is not your typical victim in a rape or molest case.
I'd be very surprised if she could remember all the 80 faces with whom she had a 90-minute tryst. My guess is at the moment all that the DPP have is the telephone numbers of the accused based on the records of the OKT. The accused could still admit that they did have sex with the stable of girls provided by the OKT, but not the particular minor prostitute in question.
How is the DPP going to prove that the accused was in the same room as the minor prostitute, and that actual intercourse took place?
In normal circumstances, law in many places just presume innocent unless proven guilty. But in Singapore's system, it is kind of different. Whenever the criminal case is brought to the court, you will be seen as guilty unless proven innocent.
The "authority" of the establishment cannot be "compromised" or seen as "wrong" unless there are glaring evidence to prove otherwise.
Take for example, once they find drugs in your bag, it will be assumed you are trafficking it even though someone might have sabo you by slipping it into your bag. And that, is mandatory death penalty.
Goh Meng Seng
We're still not sure if the prostitute is a Singaporean. If she is not, it's unlikely that she is still in Singapore. If she happens to be a local citizen, I cannot think of any incentive on her part to testify on behalf of the prosecution. She is not your typical victim in a rape or molest case.
I'd be very surprised if she could remember all the 80 faces with whom she had a 90-minute tryst. My guess is at the moment all that the DPP have is the telephone numbers of the accused based on the records of the OKT. The accused could still admit that they did have sex with the stable of girls provided by the OKT, but not the particular minor prostitute in question.
How is the DPP going to prove that the accused was in the same room as the minor prostitute, and that actual intercourse took place?
How do you know it is not the OKT who made a deal and is providing the information to prosecute the men. The date, time and location published by the papers look like they came out of an OKT's timesheet for managing the time clients have.
I have no idea which part of my opinion says or impresses upon you that it's NOT the OKT who provided the information. Since day one the newspaper report has made it abundantly clear that it's the OKT who provided the information. And I did say "based on the records of the OKT."
But the issue is irrelevant now if subsection (2) does not require any actual sexual services between the client and the prostitute to take place.
no la only phone number police can trace liao
Goh Meng Seng said:Your logic is so weird. These men chose to do it and risk their own reputation knowingly. Don't put all the blame on the prostitute.
As for Yaw, he deserved every bit of it, not only being an adulterer, but also as an irresponsible person, least to say, politician. It is easy for you to say it so lightly here; let's see whether you will still hold such view if the woman he slept with is your wife or your girlfriend or just your sister.
Goh Meng Seng
Your logic is so weird. These men chose to do it and risk their own reputation knowingly.
Goh Meng Seng
You are really a mean guy. The only reason why you are on this thread is find an excuse to bring YSL's name in. What has Yaw to do with a case which has something to do with sex with an underaged teenager which is a heinous crime.
You are really a mean guy. The only reason why you are on this thread is find an excuse to bring YSL's name in. What has Yaw to do with a case which has something to do with sex with an underaged teenager which is a heinous crime.
It actually means that those being charged could have claimed that they didn't know she is underage. Thus, the prostitute may not even require to appear in court because what the prosecution needs is to get the OKT to be witness and say he told these clients the prostitute is underage.
I think this is why the charge sheet didn't specify the name of the prostitute.
Goh Meng Seng
Looks like the only defense is to say that they did'nt know she was below 18. Probably true for a lot of them. And frankly, it does'nt look like she was forced into it, unlike some hardluck stories of young girls from third world countries....