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What if: India - China War 1962

KINGFALCON

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What If India Had Won The 1962 War Against China?

Tibet would have been liberated; the loss of face would have made China retreat into its shell instead of becoming an aggressive imperialist....and of course India's Marxists would have been defanged.

RAJEEV SRINIVASAN


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Indians have been conditioned to believe that we had not a ghost of a chance against China in 1962; but that's simply not true. If the Indian government had not been so blasé; if the military leadership had not been so ineffectual; if the Indian Air Force had not been grounded, ill-advisedly; well, all historic ifs, but the outcome would have been very different. China's army is a lot less than invincible, as the battle-hardened Vietnamese proved by thrashing it in 1979.Even the timing was propitious for India, yet we fumbled.

In 1962, China had just experienced four years of decreasing foodgrain production and a major famine. Chinese supply lines to the Indo-Tibet border were stretched thin, and could have been disrupted from the air. If only the Indian political and military leadership had not been criminally negligent—which is why the Henderson-Brooks Report on the war has been suppressed, for it would implicate too many in high places—India could have won.
The end results would have been dramatic: Tibet would have been liberated; Indians would not have been starry-eyed about China; the loss of face would have made China retreat into its shell instead of becoming an aggressive imperialist.


Tibet was an avoidable catastrophe. First is the decimation of a vibrant Indic culture, that of the Tibetan Buddhists. They have been doubly unfortunate. For, Tibetan Buddhism owes its traditions to the few monks who escaped being beheaded by Bakhtiyar Khilji in 1197 when he sacked Nalanda. And now, in a repeat, they are being exterminated once again, this time by fascist Han Chinese.

In 1962, China was quite weak militarily. If India had created a coalition with Western powers, who worried about the Soviet-China axis, the Han Chinese could have been ejected, and Tibet saved from genocide. The Americans would have cooperated; in those Domino Theory days, they even trained a group of Tibetans for a guerrilla resistance movement back home. India, instead, chose to be gullible "useful idiots", in Chou En-Lai's dismissive phrase.


However, in addition to altruistic concern for a sister culture, India would have gained concrete things from Tibetan freedom. The plateau is the source of many of the rivers in Asia, and benign Tibetan control over them would have given much of Asia water security: the Indus, the Brahmaputra, the Mekong and the Irrawaddy all originate there.


Instead, China plans to divert the Brahmaputra northwards from Tibet. If so, the Ganga-Brahmaputra doab would dry up, and civilisation as we know it would end in North India. This is a national security issue of the highest order, and Indians ignore it at their peril.


Chinese dams across the Mekong are already causing drought in downstream riparian states like Laos and Cambodia. The Chinese deliberately created floods on the Brahmaputra in Arunachal not too long ago. There is every reason to believe China will proceed with diverting water, ignoring India's objections.
This water war India could absolutely have avoided by routing China in 1962. Similarly, Chinese nuclear missiles in Tibet's high plains, as well as the dumping of nuclear waste therein, both have serious security and environmental implications for India.
On a more subtle level, the 'loss of face' to China would have had incalculable value in geopolitics. At that time, China was viewed with disdain. They got into the UN Security Council only because Nehru, in his infinite wisdom, gave them the seat offered to India! Bizarre experiments with fundamentalist Leninism/Stalinism, including the Great Leap Forward, caused most observers to view China as a freak show.


The bonhomie with the Soviet Union was showing signs of wear; the experiments in collectivisation had not brought the expected benefits; the Great Leap Forward (1958-62), an attempt at using vast amounts of manpower to rapidly industrialise the country, was a colossal failure, and instead created a famine in which as many as forty million perished.


China was vulnerable, its self-image mauled by colonialism, as despised gwailo (foreign devils) had ruthlessly penetrated their hitherto smug, supercilious land, the allegedly impregnable Middle Kingdom. The British, through judicious use of opium, and the Japanese, through military might, had shown Chinese their imperial pretensions counted for nothing in the real world.


A stinging defeat by India would have so seriously hurt Chinese self-esteem that they would not have dared to dream of dominating Asia. They would not be bullying all their neighbours, as in irredentist adventures in Xinjiang, Tibet, Arunachal Pradesh, Spratlies, Mischief Reef, and the Senkaku Islands. Their Sino-Islamic axis, aimed at containing India, would have been stillborn. And they would not have been proliferating nuclear technology so openly to North Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.


To consider the psychological effect of such a defeat, just look at India. Even though Indians are not quite so worried about 'face', the loss damaged the Indian psyche. The shock of betrayal, and the Macaulayite history of defeat that we imbibe through textbooks, have caused Indians to see themselves as losers. The Chinese would have been far more humiliated after a defeat by India.


There would have been more fringe benefits. Everyone respects power and the will to use it. India's case for the Security Council would have been much stronger. The containment of China through alliances with Vietnam, Japan, Taiwan and Russia would have proceeded apace. Pax Indica in the Indian Ocean would have given India a choke-hold on critical shipping routes transporting Persian Gulf oil to China. India would have acceded to the non-proliferation treaty as a nuclear weapons state, instead of being bulled by the offensive Chinese-drafted Security Council Resolution 1172 condemning the Pokhran II blasts.


Another side-effect—and in a way, this might have been the greatest benefit to India—would have been the defanging of India's Marxists. These evangelists for the Church of Marx would have been laughed out of court if they plugged the sayings of Chairman Mao immediately after China had been defeated by India. This would have prevented Marxist infiltration into academia, institutions and the media, which urgently need to be de-toxified from their baleful influence. Furthermore, both West Bengal and Kerala would have been spared decades of under-development and degeneration.


Thus, winning the 1962 war would have made an enormous difference to India. But there is no mistaking the civilisational conflict between India and China. In this millennia-old Grand Narrative, 1962 is a mere skirmish. India colonised Asia softly: with a few exceptions, without military conquest or migration. China colonised by demographic warfare.


Indic ideas went everywhere—West Asia, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, Tibet; even China and through it, Korea and Japan. The ideas were enormously influential, and they included religion and philosophy, martial arts, mathematics, language, architecture and mythology. China, on the other hand, depended on demographic thrusts: periodic emigration of Han Chinese took their culture and their industrial arts with them. They were looking for survival, for lebensraum: for China has poor land, and either too little or too much water. This process has continued to the present, with the large Chinese diaspora.


The last word in this monumental competition has not been written. China may be leading right now, but India is surely no pushover any more.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Yes it's plain obvious right. If indians weren't so incompetent they would have won the war right?

It's common sense. It's like me telling someone that failed his exams. If you were more hardworking you would have passed your exams. DUH!


In any case what's new here? Indian incompetence continues to this day. The fact that they keep on insisting on how superior they are yet don't have the walk to back it up. What's new here?

They screw up their commonwealth games. The standard of living of a typical indian citizen is dismal. It's fail fail fail all the way but yet not a an ounce of decency, an ounce of humility. An ounce of honesty to admit yeah i have failed. I need to change my way of thinking. Real disgusting mentality right there and should be chided and chastised at every opportunity.
 
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Jah_rastafar_I

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You have to give it to them that they can do a great dance round the coconut tree.

Yes i'll give you that but what's worse is that they will use their dancing around a coconut tree to show their superiority or how much cooler they are. Like bollywood movies have lots of dances in it we are superior to the chinese! Our country is better!

In local context we wash our backside with water! We are better!!!
 

KINGFALCON

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Yes i'll give you that but what's worse is that they will use their dancing around a coconut tree to show their superiority or how much cooler they are. Like bollywood movies have lots of dances in it we are superior to the chinese! Our country is better!

In local context we wash our backside with water! We are better!!!

The whole Indian sub-continent should just slip into the sea and rename the ocean New Dawn Ocean instead of Indian Ocean.

BTW, I'm under attack from racist sub-human roaches in another thread and since you've power pts, can UPz me for this great Indian bashing thread?
 

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This articles sums up the entire problem with some Indians. Instead of quietly building their strength to dominate the world, they live in lala-land and dream of beating China, which, like India, is not a developed country and has plenty of internal problems to deal with. I have no idea why India sees China as its competitor when it would be better served by trying to match USA in terms of dominance. Don't forget that India's riches were plundered by the British and not Chinese. This article is like a comedy where you pick a fight with the wrong person. If the Indians one day woke up and decided to work with the Chinese to become world superpowers together, they would be unstoppable. It would be unfortunate if they have been indoctrinated by the West to view China as their biggest enemy because that would only be to their detriment.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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This articles sums up the entire problem with some Indians. Instead of quietly building their strength to dominate the world, they live in lala-land and dream of beating China, which, like India, is not a developed country and has plenty of internal problems to deal with. I have no idea why India sees China as its competitor when it would be better served by trying to match USA in terms of dominance. Don't forget that India's riches were plundered by the British and not Chinese. This article is like a comedy where you pick a fight with the wrong person. If the Indians one day woke up and decided to work with the Chinese to become world superpowers together, they would be unstoppable. It would be unfortunate if they have been indoctrinated by the West to view China as their biggest enemy because that would only be to their detriment.

Bro you have to think about this in terms of following the indian mentality. Their mentality is based on racial superiority. Their version of racial superiority is based on very superficial terms like they assume since they look caucasian they automatically are more attractive than chinese since they look more attractive they are superior. On other issues like intelligence, physical prowess like strength they lose out to the chinese so they just have to lie to themselves but on the looks aspect since they look more white and white is the best so according to their warped logic they are somehow racially superior to chinese. Also whites like england and the US have been their masters and they look up to them. Indians want to emulate them they don't see them as their competitors. For india to catch up to the US is a very long shot. China would be a better target simply because it looks more attainable. It's say a man with a hundred thousand for example. He would first look to become a millionaire by obtaining his first million, then later he would try to become a multi millionaire before attempting to become a billionaire. That would be much easier rather than attempting to become a billionaire straight away since it's harder. That's not to say that china is a millionaire while the US is a billionaire since china and the US are rather close together in economic terms while india still lags behind.


For indians to work with the chinese forget it. These bloody indians have a snobbishness in them. Remember how i mentioned they somehow think they are racially superior to the chinese. With such a mentality how could one hope to work with them. You must also note that even though they do hold whites in higher regard they don't exactly love whites. Sure they emulate them but at the end of the day their true loyalty lies with other indians of the same caste as them. If you don't belong to that group you are an outsider to them. If you do recall once the grassroots in sg held some celebration welcoming them as new citizens but none of them even turned up. Of all the races in sg they are the ones that won't assimilate with the locals. This is the reason why indians are called snakes because they cannot be trusted.

It must be rather humiliating for them to have been ahead of china in the 60s with the support of the west and still lost the war with china and continue to fall behind china in all aspects. Yet you always see them so delusional somehow always claiming that they will get ahead of china one day yet don't ever achieve that. I must say that they have a very thick skin and like to live in wonderland. How else can you remain arrogant and think yourself superior despite your country falling so far behind your neighbour. This could be seen as pride although it isn't good it's like the exact opposite of china's. How else could you see chinese ppl so unimpressed with china despite all the advances it has made thru the decades. Contrast this with the indians who still remain so defiantly proud despite all their failures and incompetence. If only chinese ppl could hold more pride in them and become more racially aware. Then they would know how indians think and further defeat them.

India sees china as an enemy. The chinese should do well to be aware of that. Don't extend your hand in friendship to a wolf that is hostile to you, Your hand will only get bitten.
 

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This articles sums up the entire problem with some Indians. Instead of quietly building their strength to dominate the world, they live in lala-land and dream of beating China, which, like India, is not a developed country and has plenty of internal problems to deal with. I have no idea why India sees China as its competitor when it would be better served by trying to match USA in terms of dominance. Don't forget that India's riches were plundered by the British and not Chinese. This article is like a comedy where you pick a fight with the wrong person. If the Indians one day woke up and decided to work with the Chinese to become world superpowers together, they would be unstoppable. It would be unfortunate if they have been indoctrinated by the West to view China as their biggest enemy because that would only be to their detriment.

in a nut shell, a combination of sheer arrogance and simple mindedness caused the indians to fail to see things beyond the superficial. It is no surprise that the british were able to incorporate the whole indian sub-continent into their empire with great ease back then.

the india of today has not change much from the british india of the 19th century; they continue to be the loyal servants of their british raj.

and oh, u wouldn't want india to be a world superpower would u? juz by looking at their silly caste system and how they treat their women folk in general, i doubt they will be nice to the rest of the world if they were to become a world superpower
 

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I think the writer is living in a dream. If India had defeated China in 1962, India would have control of Tibet and India could have done what it wanted? Tibet does not want to be part of India or China. It wants to be on its own at least for now.

Tibet is Buddhist but Tibetan Buddhist. Note another Buddhist state, Myanmar. The British wanted to grant it independence as part of India. It resisted and fought. India would have faced the same problem of China today with Tibet.

If you ask me, how much eagerness do the local populace have for this political system or that, as long as they have a reasonably good living, I will say very little. Most of the time, it is the push from a small band of people, very often with the help and instigation of external powers, who knows what their agenda is, that is continually trying to change things.

India's problem is not one of strategic but a tactical competence. The sooner it realises it the better for them. India being one of the longest serving colony of the British Empire has a high respect for the White Men so it is no surprise that being the No. 1 power is not in their dream. Being the best of the rest is.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars
But in ourselves that we are underlings."
- Cassius in Julius Caesar
 
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He is just being a typical Indian. Talk so big, but achieve little.

The Vietnamese are so much better. No need to boast or dream, yet they frightened the PLA during their border skirmishes. One of my secondary school history teachers told our class that there was once during the border skirmish, that a Vietnamese woman single-handedly took out 3 Chinese tanks.

And what has the Indians achieved? Nothing.
 

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Ah Nehs are melodramatic people..

These Pundeks can never win a war..

Their troops will be busy doing the latest Bollywood dance moves inside the trenches..
 

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I saw a documentary on the india-china war, some indian' POW cried when they were released by the Chinese. they cried because they dun want to go back to India as the Chinese treated them way better than their living condition back home
 

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The most useless nation in Asia is India.
With population more than 1 billion. Nothing come out from India except cheap labor and talk cock Ah Neh can't do job in PMET.
 
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