View from the other side - Jakarta Post on the warship naming issue

[Agoraphobic]

I haven't the slightest idea of events to this incident. But I won't be surprised about your comment below on LKY's stance. He would've have been 110% to show his support for Singapore as a politician. And two or three dudes getting hanged or killed won't affect him at all. It was worth the political price.

Cheers!

Bros here can correct me if I have the facts wrong.. Suharto as President did made a request to the then PAP Govt for a life sentence on the 2 commandos instead of hanging them.. LKY and co rejected the request..

 

[Agoraphobic]

Tunku made a good decision. The Brits would not have the might, will or finance to stay and defend Malaya, the sun had set in their empire. The newly formed Federation would be vulnerable to a hostile Indonesia and Sarawak and Sabah would've been lost. Malaysia at that time was not in a position to fend for herself. Indonesia was just waiting for something like that to divert attention from home woes and would have loved the incident to escalade. It was in the better interest of South-East Asia that Suharto came to power later.

Cheers!

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Tunku being wise and still sober, politely rejected the offers of the British navy commanders to attack Indonesia for fear of further angering Sukarno and worsening the already strained ties between Malaysia and Indonesia..

 

[Agoraphobic]

I think the Konfrontasi was Indonesia against the formation of the Federation of Malaysia (Peninsula, Singapura, Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei?).

Indonesia is fond of Singapore. Peesai is one of the archipelago's largest trade partners.

The confrontation was between the Brits & the Indonesians.

I have had discussions with some older Indonesians & they saw it as a case of Indonesia trying to help the people of Spore against the Brits.

 

[Rogue Trader]

Indonesia is fond of Singapore. Peesai is one of the archipelago's largest trade partners.

how old are you? seriously......

 

[winnipegjets]

Indonesia is one of the SEA countries with the bloodiest history of nation building. Yet out of thousands of martyrs they decided to choose 2 NCOs who carried out foreign bombing mission of soft targets... you guys decide if this is acceptable or not...

It is decades ago ...and it was just a minor incident in the big picture. Our goondu ministers, trying to show off, make a mountain out of an ant hill. Now, the incident has escalated a tad. You think these goodu ministers know what to do? Now Kee Chiu kanan kabok ...how, how, he is asking his new found father.

 

[Agoraphobic]

I was taught never to ask age and salary. Anyway, I have nothing to lose, just past the half century mark. Why? What's my age got to do with Indonesia's fondness of Peesai?

Cheers!

how old are you? seriously......

 

[soikee]

It is decades ago ...and it was just a minor incident in the big picture. Our goodu ministers, trying to show off, make a mountain out of an ant hill. Now, the incident has escalated a tad. You think these goodu ministers know what to do? Now Kee Chiu kanan kabok ...how, how, he is asking his new found father.

Chan: Important to have open dialogues among nations



February 10th, 2014

Major-General (NS) Chan Chun Sing, Second Minister for Defense: "I suggest we interact boldly, dialogue openly, network assiduously and train together professionally."

Speaking at the opening of the 7th Asia Pacific Security Conference held at the Raffles City Convention Centre today (10 Feb), Second Minister for Defense Chan Chun Sing advised defense and security professionals around the globe to “build trust and cultivate habits of working together towards common goals at the military-to-military level.”

He said, “I suggest we interact boldly, dialogue openly, network assiduously and train together professionally.”




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So this CB kia paper general has begun to blink!

Yesterday he was talking so fucking tough and went about to cancel schedule meetings with the Indonesians and invitations to airshow and today he has got his tail in between his legs!

 

[steffychun]

Chan: Important to have open dialogues among nations



February 10th, 2014

Major-General (NS) Chan Chun Sing, Second Minister for Defense: "I suggest we interact boldly, dialogue openly, network assiduously and train together professionally."

Speaking at the opening of the 7th Asia Pacific Security Conference held at the Raffles City Convention Centre today (10 Feb), Second Minister for Defense Chan Chun Sing advised defense and security professionals around the globe to “build trust and cultivate habits of working together towards common goals at the military-to-military level.”

He said, “I suggest we interact boldly, dialogue openly, network assiduously and train together professionally.”




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So this CB kia paper general has begun to blink!

Yesterday he was talking so fucking tough and went about to cancel schedule meetings with the Indonesians and invitations to airshow and today he has got his tail in between his legs!

he should be gagged

 

[GoldenPeriod]

let's face it. This issue happened half a century ago. If paper general did not mention it, no one will be the wiser. Just another attempt to stir up nationalist pride but all pride was gone after his masters imported tons of FT's.

 

[zeddy]

Tunku made a good decision. The Brits would not have the might, will or finance to stay and defend Malaya, the sun had set in their empire. The newly formed Federation would be vulnerable to a hostile Indonesia and Sarawak and Sabah would've been lost. Malaysia at that time was not in a position to fend for herself. Indonesia was just waiting for something like that to divert attention from home woes and would have loved the incident to escalade. It was in the better interest of South-East Asia that Suharto came to power later.

Cheers!

Read this particular book about the The Confrontasi as a student..

After WW2, the British were really in trouble with their finances.. It worsened after India, Burma and many African countries gained independence.. The British then depended on Malaya to enrich their already crumbling Empire..

In fact they were starting to roll in tonnes of money thanks to Malaya's tin and rubber.. The demand for rubber worldwide in the 50s and 60s made the British very rich and rubber supply from Malaya kept the British economy going..

Thats why the British could afford to send in troops from Rhodesia, Fiji to help fight alongside the rest of the Commonwealth troops that were already based in Malaya.. They even brought in their famed SAS unit for the Emergency..

In fact they were rich enough to buy helicopters and despatched those choppers deep into the Malayan jungles in the fight against the Commies..

In fact the Malayan Emergency was the first time helicopters played a major part in any war and it was one of the main reasons why the Commies were defeated..

If not for Malaya's riches, the British would not be defending her for so long against the Indonesians and The MCP..

 

[steffychun]

Read this particular book about the The Confrontasi as a student..

After WW2, the British were really in trouble with their finances.. It worsened after India, Burma and many African countries gained independence.. The British then depended on Malaya to enrich their already crumbling Empire..

In fact they were starting to roll in tonnes of money thanks to Malaya's tin and rubber.. The demand for rubber worldwide in the 50s and 60s made the British very rich and rubber supply from Malaya kept the British economy going..

Thats why the British could afford to send in troops from Rhodesia, Fiji to help fight alongside the rest of the Commonwealth troops that were already based in Malaya.. They even brought in their famed SAS unit for the Emergency..

In fact they were rich enough to buy helicopters and despatched those choppers deep into the Malayan jungles in the fight against the Commies..

In fact the Malayan Emergency was the first time helicopters played a major part in any war and it was one of the main reasons why the Commies were defeated..

If not for Malaya's riches, the British would not be defending her for so long against the Indonesians and The MCP..

The Brits wanted Malaysia/Malaya to be stable fearing a communist SEA. So they were happy to have Lee wipe out the BS and they wanted to wipe out the "communist" insurgency as well. It was only after they felt they were really broke did they withdraw from the whole of the peninsula and letting the US and Aussies take over

 

[zeddy]

The Brits wanted Malaysia/Malaya to be stable fearing a communist SEA. So they were happy to have Lee wipe out the BS and they wanted to wipe out the "communist" insurgency as well. It was only after they felt they were really broke did they withdraw from the whole of the peninsula and letting the US and Aussies take over

Eliminating the Commies were the main common reason given by them.. But another reason as I mentioned was the money gained through Malaya's tin and rubber..

The British were not daft..

Why do you think they were then the No 1 Empire in the world colonising countries from Africa, Asia till the Middle East? To just preach Democratic values to the natives of these countries?

 

[eErotica69]

the whole world does not revolved around sinkieland..

the fucking PAP do not understand this??? Indonesia own them a living is it?

So if Singapore protest, you said that the whole world does not revolve around Singapore.

If we keep quiet, you call us ball-less.

Chump, go fuck yourself and fuck home to matland, you Foreign Trash.

 

[eErotica69]

You still " own " your army friend money ?

Dun anyhow say. You think he is a scrape goat?

Wait till he show you advance technology like Google Nose.

 

[eErotica69]

People have the right to choose any name they like. Who are you to say what name they can or cannot use.
So immature.

What a ball-less statement like a true UMNO Dog.

 

[Cestbon]

Sinkie just too sensitive.
In USA the name it President name that wanted war>>>> why no one dare to question USA.

 

[eatshitndie]

the warship will be jinxed and sunk. never name any ship after executed losers.

 

[Rogue Trader]

There is something brewing within Indonesia. They say real power there lies with the generals ... and the Indon president's job is to balance the Islamists (religion), the Chinese (money) and the military. Both Sukarno and Suharto got dethroned when they lost control over the military in '65(?) and '97. During when genocides against Chinese happened.

Also not forgetting it's Indon's election year... just pray the generals won't whip up a nationalist/religious frenzy like the m&ds did across the causeway in 1986...

 

[MOLANY0NG]

Indonesian military chief wades into ship row with Singapore

AFP
February 11, 2014, 1:55 am

Jakarta (AFP) - Indonesia's military chief said Monday Jakarta stood by its decision to name a warship after two marines who staged a deadly 1960s bombing in Singapore, insisting the pair were not "terrorists".

It came a day after Indonesian defence officials pulled out of this week's Singapore Airshow after the city-state complained about the Indonesian navy's decision to name the refurbished frigate "KRI Usman Harun".

Usman Haji Mohamed Ali and Harun Said were executed in Singapore for their roles in the March 1965 blast at a downtown office complex which killed three people and injured 33.

"We won't change the name of (the) warship," General Moeldoko, the head the Indonesian armed forces, told reporters.

"I cannot accept Usman and Harun being declared as terrorists," he added.

Defence Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro backed up Moeldoko's view, insisting the marines were "heroes".

Their remarks were the latest salvo in the row between the neighbours which began last week when Singapore complained to Indonesia, its third-largest trading partner, over the ship's name.

The attack by the marines was part of an effort by then Indonesian president Sukarno to stage an armed confrontation against the newly formed federation of Malaysia, which included Singapore.

The dispute over the name escalated Sunday when Jakarta announced that Indonesian defence officials had pulled out of the Singapore Airshow, which starts on Tuesday.

A defence ministry statement said that a visit by Deputy Defence Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin to Singapore for a "strategic dialogue" had been scrapped too. However an Indonesian air force aerobatic team would still perform at the airshow, it added.

Despite the rising tensions, Moeldoko insisted Monday that the row had so far caused "no significant change in Singapore and Indonesian military ties".

Singapore acrimoniously split from Malaysia to become an independent country on August 9, 1965.

Total trade between Singapore and Indonesia reached Sg$79.4 billion ($62.6 billion) in 2012.

 

[steffychun]

See...large military budget cant stop anything!!!!