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Updated News/Gossips/KNNBCCB PAP Never Solve Haze Problem Thread

steffychun

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Re: Ng Eng Hen and Army show off: Distribute N95 masks only to PAP controlled PA

Really a bunch of arseholes. When humanitarian efforts are run along political lines it can only indicate how morally corrupt this govt is. Come 2016, the PM will again plead for mercy.

I really wonder if opposition wards are singled out as in the case of HDB lift upgrading
 

batman1

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Loyal
Re: $$$Million Dollar FAP Minister: Be Fair, Refer to 24hr PSI, not 3hr!

Get real! There will never ever be a situation where they declare u can stop work, understand!

U are right.
If pap declare stop work,GDP,yes GDP again will dropped and the
PAP ministers' salaries and bonuses will decreased.
In the eyes of the PAP,everything they do must be profitable or
beneficial to them even at the expense of the health and life
of the citizens of Singapore.
Till today,NO FREE MASKS to ALL Citizens of Singapore,
Singapore has turned into a gas chamber where the citizens
Are suffocating n risking death by inhaling toxic poisonous smoke.
This haze crisis expose the incompetency,impotence ,stupidity n
greediness and evilness of the pap.
 

Equalisation

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
If the haze persist for another 1 month,

the Surgeon General with deliberations with his associates, the Singapore Flyer will be re-named as Weowna Flyer.:o
 

Confuseous

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Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

Defence Minister and Chairman of the Haze Inter-Ministerial Committee Ng Eng Hen on Friday urged the public to refer to the 24-hour Pollutant Standards Index (PSI) reading rather than the three-hour reading. He said that most studies on the exposure to pollutants are based on 24-hour measurements, and explained that was why the government’s guidelines are also based on 24-hour measurements.

This is dangerous nonsense. Does one whose house is burning around him make a decision whether to leave the premises based on 24-hour average temperature? Just as that person would be burned to death in minutes if he decided to stay in a burning building, similarly, serious lung damage could be sustained by one breathing in high PSI air for short durations like 15 minutes.

Has the relatively recent smoke grenade fatality involving a young NSF not taught us that fine particulate matter in air can be harmful in short intense exposure? Or has the poor young man been forgotten? Granted, that tragic case is not identical, but there are important similarities.

(The PAP Government should be reminded of the basic fact that if a 3-hour average PSI reading is, for instance, 300, then there must have been 10/20-minute average PSI readings in the relevant 3-hour time span above 300. Possibly significantly above 300.)

It is certainly true that the health impacts of air pollutants are determined both by the concentration and also the duration of exposure. But what the PAP Government is saying is truly incredible, and incredible claims have to be backed up by evidence.

If the government can put forth credible evidence that exposures of 10 to 20 minutes, common for simple necessary actions like walking to the bus stop and waiting for the bus, to PSI levels of over 200 has negligible ill-effects. We should take note and relax a little. But in the absence of such credible evidence, it is only safe and reasonable to assume that such exposure should be actively avoided because such exposures may cause complications; Complications that may be much more severe in some than others.

The PAP Government should not misinform Singaporeans about the haze threat. It is dangerous and does Singaporeans a huge disservice.


Jeremy Chen

* Jeremy is currently a PhD student at the Department of Decision Sciences at NUS Business School. Jeremy believes in the possibility of a beautiful synthesis of “social justice” and “the free market”. He also hopes for less politicking and more policy discussion in the political arena. He blogs at http://jeremy-chen.org.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Re: Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

why can't they just give the real time PSI? something to hide? how they expect to cover up the fucking haze and pretend its not there?
 

Confuseous

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Asset
Do You Trust PAP to Manage Singapore After This Haze Incident?

Proactive Vs Reactive

A good leader is ready for emergencies. An average leader reacts to an emergency. From this haze incident, it has shown that PAP has no plans at all to a possible haze. The inter haze committee has only been set up [link] . There are no clear protocols in place. Every citizen is wondering if the children are going to school. Contradicting guidelines tells Children to stay indoors when PSI reaches 300 [link], but they have to go to school. This is confusing. Perhaps there are some tele-portals for the rich to reach school without travelling outdoors?

An 11 year old agreement NOT ratified till now?

PM Lee mentioned that it is his priority now to look after the health of Singaporeans [link]. I am unsure about how it was for the past 11 years, or what his priorities are. However, there seemed to be a lack of urgency on PAP’s part on an Asean agreement from 2002[link]. The agreement was left hanging there for 11 years. No one seemed to take it serious. At least PAP didn’t take it serious or place enough emphasis for Indonesia to take it seriously. A lapse of 11 years shows complacency on all parties. Hence, no one, including PAP can claim that they are ever serious about an agreement.

Leadership by Singapore on the 2002 treaty?

Since 2002, Singapore was given opportunities for leadership roles in Asean . From 1 Jan 2003 – 31 Dec 2007, a Singaporean was the Secretary-General [link]. In 18‒22 November 2007, Mr Lee Hsien Loong, was the host leader [link]. I am unsure if there was another form of leadership shown during this period to ensure that Indonesian takes the 2002 agreement seriously. If there was, Indonesia sure did not seem to agree that the leaders then were serious about the treaty.

Leadership on the pollution indicators?

The choice of an air pollution index is crucial in management of air pollution. PSI is one such index. However, this has been abandoned by the founding fathers for a more updated index since 1999 [link]. However, the Singapore political leaders (aka PAP), have kept and stuck to this index. It is acceptable that to choose this index. However, please do not give excuses on the index when faults are presented. Or worse, telling us not to be fixated on this Index[link]. Then in the first place, why have the objective index? There is a write up on the PSI [link]. The article shows that the PSI is not reflective and has a lag time. It is puzzling and flummoxed me why did our leaders choose such an Index. It is akin to telling us that a flood has occurred after the flood has done its damage at Orchard road. Or was that what has happened to the flood warning system as well [link]?

Top dollars for such Leadership?
The PAP ministers are the highest paid ministers in the world [link], even after the so called pay cut. Was the pay cut a wayang just like Prince William visit [link] or their own crowd at the election rallies [link]? Eventually, it is undeniable that they are the highest paid. As such, it is inevitable that with such a pay, an acceptable quality of service and solutions are required. Otherwise, why pay top money for poor leadership and a lack of therefore?

Coming up with solutions?

One minister lamented that all netizens do is to complain and even use expletives [link] . We have done nothing. Think again. We did. Having to write an article is to awaken fellow Singaporeans. As it draws closer to the election 2016, we have to expose that the current PAP is no longer the only choice for Singaporeans. There are alternatives. Please do not label us as complaining. Our solution is to push for a regime change in 2016. It is time for a new government who is serious about Singaporeans, a new political party or parties who cares for us and will look after us. PAP is too concern with increasing our population with foreigners. It is difficult to manage and encourage Singaporeans to have children. So the easier way out is to increase the population it via foreign intake.

Conclusion

Did PAP show leadership in the whole issue? Especially when they had ample opportunities for years? Yet, the same leaders demand top dollars for such leadership. Will they take the easy way out ? Will it be another case of the 6.9 million populations? 2016 is not the time to find out. It is time Singapore rally together, learn from this haze incident and prepare to give the current poor leaders the boot. Do not bare with this incident, reach out to your fellow Singaporeans to think carefully in 2016.

Thank you.

Anson Be
*This article first appeared in http://therealsingapore.com/

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/06/23/do-you-trust-pap-to-manage-singapore-after-this-haze-incident/
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Re: Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

Smokers have their own personal PSI of 5000 in their lungs with no ill effects after 24 hours of smoking. It takes many years before smokers succumb to their disgusting habits.

My dad smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before he quit at 50. Many years have passed and he's still alive and well.

You guys are simply trying to politicise the whole haze issue but the criticisms are so ridiculous that they lose all credibility.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Re: Do You Trust PAP to Manage Singapore After This Haze Incident?

I trust them 100%.
 

chupacabra

Alfrescian
Loyal
Re: HAZE ?!!! > CHEAP & GOOD air filter system

Where to get in peesai? These sort of things should be readily available in peesai since the air quality in peesai is shit compared to other cuntries in the west.
 

Confuseous

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Asset
Re: Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

why can't they just give the real time PSI? something to hide? how they expect to cover up the fucking haze and pretend its not there?

They are hiding behind all the cocks and the bulls, with the Bradell Brothell joining in today, pages and pages in the Engrish prostitute press.

And of course, our Ladyship-in-Chief aka Chua Mui Hoong suggesting that we use the energy against the perpetrators, not against the gahmen.
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

Smokers have their own personal PSI of 5000 in their lungs with no ill effects after 24 hours of smoking. It takes many years before smokers succumb to their disgusting habits.

My dad smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before he quit at 50. Many years have passed and he's still alive and well.

You guys are simply trying to politicise the whole haze issue but the criticisms are so ridiculous that they lose all credibility.

You are most welcome to come and inhale the sinkapore air.
 

batman1

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Loyal
Re: Responding to ng eng hen's nonsense of only referring to 24hr psi

Smokers have their own personal PSI of 5000 in their lungs with no ill effects after 24 hours of smoking. It takes many years before smokers succumb to their disgusting habits.

My dad smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years before he quit at 50. Many years have passed and he's still alive and well.

You guys are simply trying to politicise the whole haze issue but the criticisms are so ridiculous that they lose all credibility.

Hi boss,lucky u are in NZ.
Here in Singapore,if u have the urge to take a puff,just open the window.
 

Confuseous

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Asset
Shanmuggam: Singapore will 'take all steps' to protect citizens. ZZZZZ

Singapore intends to do what it can within the framework of international law to protect its citizens against the haze, said Foreign Minister K. Shanmugam yesterday.

"Our primary duty has to be safeguarding the health, security of Singaporeans," he told Singapore and international media. "We cannot allow this situation to continue, and do nothing and say nothing."

Later, in a separate briefing with local reporters, he said: "We have to take all steps regardless of how it may be viewed by our neighbours... even if it means that our neighbours are upset."

In international law, countries have a duty to control actions within their boundaries when they cause an environmental impact on other countries, he said, citing the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development adopted at a 1992 United Nations conference.

While Singapore will be pursuing this point at Asean meetings in Brunei this week, Mr Shanmugam, who is also Law Minister, signalled it may also be prepared to turn to other international fora to press its case if it came to that.

But first it will see what steps are taken through the Asean meeting and whether there are concrete results for Singapore. Asked to elaborate on which other meetings the haze issue could be raised at, he replied: "We will calibrate and decide where else this needs to be raised."

In 2006, Singapore raised the haze issue at a United Nations forum, but this was said to have drawn the ire of some Indonesians.
 

escher

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Re: Do You Trust PAP to Manage Singapore After This Haze Incident?

Never trust those PAP bastards before the haze
Never trust those PAP bastards during the haze
Never trust those PAP bastards after the haze
Never trust those PAP bastards at all

VOTE ALL THOSE PAP BASTARDS OUT OUT OUT IN 2016
 

tonychat

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Generous Asset
Re: HAZE ?!!! > CHEAP & GOOD air filter system

Where to get in peesai? These sort of things should be readily available in peesai since the air quality in peesai is shit compared to other cuntries in the west.

go and find it yourself lah, sinkies love to be fucking spoonfed...so lousy!!!
 
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