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UOB Sue Lippo Marina For Misrepresenting Condo Sales Price! Subprime Crisis Looming?

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Singapore’s United Overseas Bank (UOB) is suing property developer Lippo Marina Collection (LMC) for misrepresenting the sales prices of 38 condo units in Sentosa Cove. According to their lawyers, LMC misrepresented the sales prices by offering excessive “furniture rebates” resulting having the loan applicants awarded a loan higher than the “actual sales price”. For example, a unit was put on sales for S$5.98 million and LMC will give the buyer a S$1.78 million, giving the unit an actual sales price of S$4.2 million. In the meantime, the bank will grant a S$4.79 million loan based off the stated selling price.

In their defence, LMC said that the housing loan is a contract between UOB and the loan applicants and has nothing to do with them especially when it was UOB who did not consider the furniture rebates when issuing a loan.

UOB commenced legal proceedings against LMC when they realize 37 out of the 38 Sentosa Cove units ended up in defaults, and even blamed LMC for hiring fake buyers who did not have the means to service the mortgage to purchase these units.

Singapore banks are currently facing a subprime-like debt crisis as more mortgage owners are defaulting on their payment due to rising interest rates and property speculations. Singapore homeowners took up a dangerous amount of mortgage debt beyond their purchasing power. Bad loans in Singapore have also risen to a 6-year high as manufacturing, oil and gas, finance and the construction industries see drastic slowdown resulted from the recession in China.

http://statestimesreview.com/2016/0...for-misrepresentation-after-massive-defaults/
 

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What about dr tan cheng bock? He also default because no president stipend? :confused:
 

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Rich man game.
 

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there won't be subprime crisis in s'pore. the rules and regulations are intact and very stringent to sinkies seeking mortgage loans. they will do back ground check on your credit eligibility, your credit card, your car loan etc. my feeling is that banks want to loan more money to pple but they are bounded by the rules.
 

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there won't be subprime crisis in s'pore. the rules and regulations are intact and very stringent to sinkies seeking mortgage loans. they will do back ground check on your credit eligibility, your credit card, your car loan etc. my feeling is that banks want to loan more money to pple but they are bounded by the rules.

what back ground checks? obviously you cannot read. See above "they realize 37 out of the 38 Sentosa Cove units ended up in defaults......" ie almost 100% default!!!!! and you mean even after the banks did background checks???? the bankers who approved the laons either got kick backs or are blind. either way the should be shot. interesting things is people on the inside says this incident is the tip of the iceberg. why do you think MAS have to suddenly come out and says the banks are "healthy". no smoke without fire. Iwarn alot of people here 1 years ago that the prefect storm is coming and got laughed at. Now I am laughing. thiis is the mother of all crash.
 

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I don't know why UOB is still pursuing this. They don't have a leg to stand on at all. The whole project had 124 units. What happened to the rest? Mortgages ok? No excessive furniture rebates for those? The fact is that he UOB lending officers more then happy to do the mortgages with the lack of qualifications for these buyers. Lippo can always say that they gave the same discounts to the other units and yet the other lenders did not come after them. Also the property valuator the bank used also confirmed this value of $5.98 million. All UOB valuators are on their approved list, so its not like the client used his own valuator and bribed the guy to come up with a higher number. The best avenue for the recovery of money is to sue the property valuators since they relied on them for the property worth.
 
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what back ground checks? obviously you cannot read. See above "they realize 37 out of the 38 Sentosa Cove units ended up in defaults......" ie almost 100% default!!!!! and you mean even after the banks did background checks???? the bankers who approved the laons either got kick backs or are blind. either way the should be shot. interesting things is people on the inside says this incident is the tip of the iceberg. why do you think MAS have to suddenly come out and says the banks are "healthy". no smoke without fire. Iwarn alot of people here 1 years ago that the prefect storm is coming and got laughed at. Now I am laughing. thiis is the mother of all crash.

I can add such 'checks' only apply strictly to local Sinkies.

Probably does not apply or loosely to those connected elites as well as the foreigner investors many who have criminal mindset.

Anyway a lot of high end properties will crumble and start to affect the mid market condo market which are played by local peasants.
 

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I can add such 'checks' only apply strictly to local Sinkies.

Probably does not apply or loosely to those connected elites as well as the foreigner investors many who have criminal mindset.

Anyway a lot of high end properties will crumble and start to affect the mid market condo market which are played by local peasants.

this has nothing to do with whether local or elites etc. this type of con job is nothing new. In the 1996/7 financial crises in Indonesia that's what alot of corrupt indon companies did. receive kickbags when extending loans to crooks or over inflated assets. when the bubble burst alot of these crooks just declare bankrupt and ran off. the banks esp garmen aided then ask the central banks to bail them out. win-win for lender and borrowers. either way ultimately it is the central garmen and tax payers who loses. that's how marcos and suharto got kicked out. but don't expect sinkie garmen to save UOB this time. BTW lippo is an indon conglomerate. you connect the dots...........
 

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there won't be subprime crisis in s'pore. the rules and regulations are intact and very stringent to sinkies seeking mortgage loans. they will do back ground check on your credit eligibility, your credit card, your car loan etc. my feeling is that banks want to loan more money to pple but they are bounded by the rules.

If you read the article carefully, it does not say there will a sub prime crisis. rather its subprime-like. The subprime crisis was the result of bad mortgages repackaged as investment grade and then sold throughout the word. when the mortgage holders defaulted, the subprime crisis happened. The article is implying there is a fair amount of non performing bad loans in the portfolio of banks. We already know this. Its not caused by Indons defaulting on their mortgages. Rather its due to sinkie banks like UOB and DBS lending to many china companies and these companies are now in trouble.
 

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If you read the article carefully, it does not say there will a sub prime crisis. rather its subprime-like. The subprime crisis was the result of bad mortgages repackaged as investment grade and then sold throughout the word. when the mortgage holders defaulted, the subprime crisis happened. The article is implying there is a fair amount of non performing bad loans in the portfolio of banks. We already know this. Its not caused by Indons defaulting on their mortgages. Rather its due to sinkie banks like UOB and DBS lending to many china companies and these companies are now in trouble.

No doubt a lot of these PRC will be taking the loans using fake assets and accounts, rotate around to invest to properties (Prime Cities like SG).
 

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Lawyers will be the winners end of the day. They never lose.
 

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http://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...er-inflated-home-loans-for-sentosa-cove-condo

Wonder if the UOB VP for Home Loan (mentioned in the article) Hari Kiri.

I think the Group Heads of Consumer banking, Risk management and Compliance, all tio liao. But really, they are just the fall guys. This shit of giving rebates have been going for a long time. Although i have to admit Lippo 30% rebate is very generous. when market go up, even by a little bit, say even 5% per year, these Indons will for sure find the money to service their bank loans and UOB would be non the wiser. But when property prices go down they are just walking away from the mortgage and the property. UOB can go and find them in Indonesia. Good luck.
 

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No doubt a lot of these PRC will be taking the loans using fake assets and accounts, rotate around to invest to properties (Prime Cities like SG).

Oh yeah for sure, and not only singapore, but canada and the US too.
 

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From what UOB lawyers are saying, it will be hard to prove in court.

They are accusing Lippo of giving the buyers $1.78 million in furniture rebates. I am going to guess this was a cash rebate as its hard to buy $1.78 million worth of furniture for a condo, unless everything is gold plated. Heck, even antique French furniture is not that expensive. SInce these Indons were planning to rent it out as investment property, its even less likely they will buy nice expensive furniture for the tenants to potentially abuse. So, lets call it a cash rebate. However, the down payment is only $1.19 million (Sale price of $5.98 million minus bank loan from UOB of $4.79 million). Of course there is other costs like legal and ABSD, and what not. But still, there is over $500K missing somewhere. Is it pocketed by the Indons and a fee for helping Lippo? Is some of the money going into the pockets of the property valuator and the bank loan officer to facilitate the mortgage? Really interesting, and how will UOB prove this?
 

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They have been negotiating for three years to settle this case.

Riady hired the two agents from ERA to pull off this scheme. The two agents made a killing on this deal and they have left town.

Nobody can cheat Wee Cho Yaw in Singapore and get away.
 

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UOB gets nod to sue over inflated home loans for Sentosa Cove condo


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Marina Collection, a luxury condominium at Sentosa Cove. PHOTO: JLL


High Court allows bank to sue Lippo Group subsidiary, 7 others for 'misrepresentation'


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The High Court has cleared the way for United Overseas Bank to sue two real estate agents for alleged deceit and conspiracy over inflated loans for 38 units at a luxury condominium in Sentosa Cove.

Apart from the two agents, the bank is also suing five other individuals and developer Lippo Marina Collection (LMC) for conspiracy, with damages to be assessed.

UOB is alleging that excessive furniture rebates provided to buyers had deflated the stated sale prices of the Marina Collection condo units, which the housing loans were based on.

The sale price adjustments of the 99-year lease units breached housing loan cap rules set by the Monetary Authority of Singapore, UOB alleged.

The bank also claimed it had been misled by Lippo Group subsidiary LMC and the other defendants, as it was not informed about the substantial rebates that exceeded the market norm.

For instance, a unit with a stated sale price of $5.98 million was given a furniture rebate of $1.78 million, while the bank loan granted to the buyer was $4.79 million - more than the actual sale price of $4.2 million.

UOB also claimed that many of the buyers did not have genuine means to service the housing loans, but were merely fronts procured by the defendants to enter into purchase agreements with Lippo Marina. Of the 38 loans, 37 have defaulted.

LMC, represented by lawyer Siraj Omar, is vigorously denying the claims made against it.

Among other things, it said the loans were a matter solely between the buyers and UOB, and that it had no knowledge of any alleged misrepresentation of the purchase price.

The other defendants, variously represented by lawyers A. S. Shanker, Eugene Thuraisingham and Mirza Namazie, have also filed defence documents denying the claims. Pre-trial exchanges are ongoing.

In judgment grounds released last week over a preliminary point of the case, Judicial Commissioner Aedit Abdullah ruled that UOB was not precluded from suing for fraud or deceit against the two real estate agents.

The two defendants had jointly denied there was conspiracy or deceit in their defence to the main suit, and had countered that UOB's vice-president of housing loans at the time had been aware of all matters in relation to the buyers' housing loan applications.

They claimed she had also suggested cash transfers between relevant accounts.

Their lawyer A. S. Shanker argued that as she was from UOB, whatever she did was attributable to the bank and, thus, it cannot be said that the bank was defrauded by the two defendants.

Her knowledge would have stopped the bank from bringing the various claims against them.

At issue before the court was whether this knowledge, or action, by the vice-president can be attributed to the bank and, therefore, preclude it from claiming the two misled the bank and committed deceit.

UOB had applied to settle this issue, but an assistant registrar had dismissed its case.

The High Court has since allowed the bank's appeal as argued by its lawyer Eddee Ng.

The judicial commissioner stressed that his finding does not mean the two defendants had committed fraud or were involved in a conspiracy.

He clarified that the defendants are free to defend against the bank's claims in the main trial in due course and the issue he ruled on will be relevant in relation to specific defences they had raised in denying the claims.

The judge also allowed the bank's appeal to strike out several portions in the duo's statement of defence, as they "disclosed no reasonable defence".

A High Court pre-trial conference in relation to the main case involving all eight defendants and UOB was held last week.
 

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Hi , how cum got main case and sub case .

very confusing.

Question : how cum UOB has not made any CPIB , CAD and or Police Reports yet ?

Why ???
 

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Yup.
I can add such 'checks' only apply strictly to local Sinkies.

Probably does not apply or loosely to those connected elites as well as the foreigner investors many who have criminal mindset.

Anyway a lot of high end properties will crumble and start to affect the mid market condo market which are played by local peasants.

Yup. Like many things in singapore, foreigners always get the benefit of the doubt and the a break on everything. These are not available to sinkies.
 
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