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The experts are against opening up

syed putra

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Covid-19: Experts urge caution over govt plan to ease restrictions when two-thirds of Singapore are fully vaccinated​

Sunday, 27 Jun 2021 10:44 PM MYT


The government task force leading the pandemic response had said on June 18 that it would progressively ease restrictions both within Singapore and at its borders based on two milestones. ― TODAY pic
The government task force leading the pandemic response had said on June 18 that it would progressively ease restrictions both within Singapore and at its borders based on two milestones. ― TODAY pic

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SINGAPORE, June 27 — Without more scientific data supporting the exact parameters for the easing of Covid-19 restrictions, Singapore’s vaccination milestones for opening up will have to balance the risk of infection against the social and economic consequences of shutting down for too long, infectious disease experts told TODAY.

The government task force leading the pandemic response had said on June 18 that it would progressively ease restrictions both within Singapore and at its borders based on two milestones: When 50 per cent of the population are fully vaccinated and when 75 per cent are.
On Thursday, the target was shifted to when two-thirds of the population are inoculated with two doses, as the authorities have managed to bring forward the delivery of vaccine supplies.

Singapore is reaching the milestone soon as the task force said that two-thirds are expected to have received both doses of the vaccine by National Day on Aug 9.

One expert, however, suggested that the magic number should be set higher, at 80 per cent.
Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases specialist from the Mount Elizabeth Novena Specialist Centre, is calling for a “more cautious” stance as he fears that opening up too early might stress the healthcare system.
Noting that the Delta variant of the coronavirus which originated in India is more transmissible by at least 60 per cent, he said: “Once the healthcare system is overloaded, everything will crash very quickly.”
He also pointed out that various scientists had asked for a herd immunity of 70 to 90 per cent before opening up, but as Singapore has a relatively small number of community cases, its population relies principally on vaccines for protection.
“(At the two-thirds point,) I don’t think Singapore will be prepared. The number of cases and rapidity of spread may overwhelm our nation,” Dr Leong added.
“If you think about it, it is a figment of our imagination to think that humans are in control of the virus.
“Look at Bukit Merah. Look at the resources that were thrown at it. We are at best able to curtail the growth of the virus, but no way are we able to control it.”
When TODAY asked on June 18 how the task force intends to ease restrictions at each milestone, Health Minister Ong Ye Kung had said that the roadmap was still being worked out and plans would be announced in due course.
But he stressed that Singapore would not be emulating American cities like New York and California, where almost all restrictions were eased on June 15 after 70 per cent were given at least one dose of the vaccine.
This was because these were places that had also seen big waves of infection, so “a big chunk above (those who were vaccinated) actually have antibodies” protecting them from future infections, he explained.
On Thursday, Ong said that the two-thirds milestone is “actually not enough”. “We need to go further than two-thirds, especially given the transmissibility of the Delta variant,” he said.
Reiterating that the type of opening to be associated with the milestone is still being worked out, he cautioned that “there are still a lot of unknowns” despite having a plan.
“This enemy is full of curveballs, always thrown at us, so we are really crossing the river one stone at a time,” Ong said.
“Right now, I think we know the steps, we know some of the milestones that we can achieve through our vaccination exercise, and how we now marry the two to come up with a viable roadmap.”
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Professor Leo Yee Sin, the executive director of the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) at Tan Tock Seng Hospital, said that although an effective vaccine provides the best public health prevention to the population, it is “not the only preventive measure”.
The effectiveness of a vaccine can be influenced by the transmissibility of the virus, the evolution of the virus to escape the pre-existing immunity, and whether the vaccine can elicit long-lasting immune memory to protect against the virus, she said.
“How long vaccine protection will last until a booster is needed is currently uncertain,” she said. “The Delta variant has shown itself to be more transmissible. Available data also suggests that the blood of vaccinated subjects has reduced ability to neutralise the Delta variant.”
As such, it is likely that the relaxation of measures will have to be “progressively rolled out in a cautious manner with close surveillance and monitoring”, she said.
“It is not time yet for Singapore to return to the pre-Covid era.”
She also said that it is important for Singapore to continue to monitor its local cases while taking lessons from watching the global situation.
Of particular interest would be the situation in the United Kingdom where the easing of restrictions had to be postponed in light of rising Delta variant cases, despite its high vaccination rates. As of Friday, 83.7 per cent there had received at least one dose, and 61.2 per cent had been fully vaccinated.
Prof Leo, however, noted that countries that have had 50 per cent or more of its residents vaccinated at the moment are mostly developed countries that were “hit badly”, which meant that they would have built up a pool of naturally infected people with the necessary antibodies.
She also said that vaccines will have to be updated to counter new variants and more studies are needed to assess the need for a booster dose and when to give it, so it would not be wise to completely unmask in the near future.
“Risk-based mask policies should remain in high-risk places such as crowded, less well ventilated areas, and when one is sick with respiratory symptoms,” she said.
“Good habits such as frequent hand hygiene, seeking early medical attention, getting tested and self-isolating when down with infectious illness should continue to be practised.”
Dr Paul Tambyah, president of the Asia Pacific Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infection, said there are no experiments showing how many people can dine together or how many can be in a meeting room in published literature as yet.
The experience of other countries alone might not be the most reliable as weather conditions may play a part in transmission, he added.
Countries in the northern hemisphere, which are approaching midsummer, have had low rates of infection despite lower vaccination rates, while outbreaks have been reported in southern hemisphere countries, which are moving into winter, despite relatively high vaccination rates, he pointed out.
Dr Duane Gubler, an emeritus professor and founding director of the Emerging Infectious Diseases (EID) Signature Research Programme at the Duke-NUS Medical School, said that the task force is being cautious by picking two-thirds full vaccination as a milestone.
He added that the experience in Europe has shown that even a single dose of the vaccine is effective in preventing severe disease and death.
In the case of Singapore, the probability of an infected person transmitting the virus to another susceptible person is likely already less than one, and should decline even more as vaccination increases, he said.
It is “highly unlikely that we will ever eradicate this virus”, so the best approach is to focus on protecting the most vulnerable segments of the population, such as older age groups and those with comorbidities, to reduce severe disease and death, he said. — TODAY
 

nayr69sg

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Doctors by training are drilled and taught to be always cautious and conservative in their treatment.

Even for surgeons if there is no evidence that surgery will be more beneficial then don't operate.

There is no such thing as "garang", "risk taker", "adventurous" medicine. Even if got such dr, who wants to go to this type? Plus one mistake....KABOOM, sue until pants gone liao.

The "risk takers" in medicine are the aesthetic guys (cos there is really no medical indication for any of their treatments so one wrong step.....any lawsuit will usually win) and the oncologists where they could say push for aggressive chemotherapy treatments to try to save someone's life even if the chances are slim (with the patient and family's consent of course). I mean the patient prognosis is to die anyway.

So it is not surprising to see Dr Leong Hoe Nam say be cautious. Any dr worth his reputation and training will say that.
 

kaninabuchaojibye

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india indians should be banned from leaving their cuntry to stop the indian variant and indian plus from spreading around the globe

good luck to japan when the india contingent arrives for the olympics
 

nayr69sg

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life have to go on.....or else is it worth living?
we all die someday so stop worrying

Yes. Each person just decide for themselves what they want. If want take vaccine then risk of vaccine problems. If dowan take vaccine then risk kena covid.

No right or wrong. Just decide and choose.

But what i see is many people decide and choose already then not happy other people choose differently from them. Then must keep talking and try to convince everyone to choose same as them.

Haiz.....
 

mahjongking

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Yes. Each person just decide for themselves what they want. If want take vaccine then risk of vaccine problems. If dowan take vaccine then risk kena covid.

No right or wrong. Just decide and choose.

But what i see is many people decide and choose already then not happy other people choose differently from them. Then must keep talking and try to convince everyone to choose same as them.

Haiz.....

absolutely agree with you.
the only thing we can do is to keep fit and live life in moderation
 

tanwahtiu

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The Chinese created it. The Indians perfected it. The Yankees marketed it (vaccines).
The Yankee experiment and perfect the crime, blame China for scapegoats, the Indian add curry powder to become Indian curry virus, then handback to the Yankee marketed it as Indian flavour recipes in their rule based order program...
 

nayr69sg

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absolutely agree with you.
the only thing we can do is to keep fit and live life in moderation

Actually it is up to people how they want to live their lives.

Some people live dangerous stuff like skiing down mountains. Racing fast cars.

It is up to them. I mean I dont see people organizing Ski Parades where people say you must ski! Or cycling parades. Or European car parade.

Just do what they want.
 

nayr69sg

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When it comes to Covid there is no such thing as an expert. However there are people like me who can give common sense advice.
If it is by definition "common sense" then there is no need to give advice.

It is like me posting data about how you must keep breathing to live. The data supports this.

Or you must empty your bowels once in a while and not keep it in when you feel like pooping. The data supports this.

Or you must pee when you have a full bladder. The data supports this.

When you are very thirsty drink water.

Thats common sense.
 

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When it comes to Covid there is no such thing as an expert. However there are people like me who can give common sense advice.
KNN that's also the primarlee leeson My uncle always said most people in this world are not clear minded and majorities are also stoopid people KNN
 

syed putra

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If it is by definition "common sense" then there is no need to give advice.

It is like me posting data about how you must keep breathing to live. The data supports this.

Or you must empty your bowels once in a while and not keep it in when you feel like pooping. The data supports this.

Or you must pee when you have a full bladder. The data supports this.

When you are very thirsty drink water.

Thats common sense.
Do wha5 they want means opening up like normal.
We have become like communist states dictated by gomen like a c4ntral planned economy, except in this case, controlling the disease.
 

KuanTi01

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Indian variant of a chinese virus.
Chinese created it. Indians perfected it. The two should join forces to dominate the planet.
Why are you so sure the Chinese created it? I think the USA created it and tacitly allowed the Chinese to copy it. India perfected it.
 
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