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Serious That Chan Chun Sing question: Quite a number of points, actually

Confuseous

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Chan: “We can get you the numbers. But let me say this: What is the point behind the question? Has local unemployment increased with all these efforts?…
“It’s not the data — it is the point of (Singh’s) question.”

What is the point?

For a start, Singaporeans have the unquestionable, in fact, inalienable, right to know. Born and bred Singaporeans bore the brunt of having built up post-independent Singapore. They were not invited here to be part of the process of creating or developing the country. It was not a matter of choice, as PRs and foreigners had, enticed as they were by the lure of jobs or the search for a better life or somewhere to park their money.

True-blues had nowhere else to go to except to make good here – or die trying. So now they seek this piece of information so that they can judge for themselves whether they have been sidelined or been treated decently by the government. Call it one of the effects of globalisation, this anxiety which needs to be assuaged.
Giving true-blues or nativists or inward looking Singaporeans (whatever you sarcastically call them) the truth is not the government’s prerogative. It is its non-negotiable responsibility.

Next, it is absurd to imply that providing the statistics would lead to divisions or hostility towards PRs and foreigners. The DNA of this society is multi-almost everything, whether we like it or not. Many Singapore leaders were born in other countries – the late DPM S Rajaratnam was born in Sri Lanka and Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan in Penang.

One of the government’s own fears has always been we may end up neither here nor there and that we should work to retain a core to retain our values and anchor us as we deal with all the waves of change. Now, when it suits its purpose, suddenly hostility rears its ugly head. No, hostility exists only in the government’s own imagination, insecurity or inability to present its case convincingly to the public for keeping such figure so unnecessarily hush-hush.

The ball is in the court of the government to explain why any Singapore PMET has to become a security guard – with statistics. Even one Singapore graduate with an MBA working to be a guard or tuition teacher is a big indictment of our manpower management.

The ball is in the court of the government to persuade Singaporeans that they have not been disadvantaged by having to serve national service – full-time and reservist – as part of the much-lauded Team Singapore. While we are at it, are there figures showing how many true-blue Singaporeans have migrated to avoid having to be part of a system which works AGAINST them? Think of the unconscionable number of native talents we have lost in the relative neglect or preference for easy solutions.
Above all, for heaven’s sake, the request for data was raised in Parliament and not heckled around recklessly in the Geylang redlight district between questionable characters. An MP has raised a perfectly legitimate question and expect a civil answer.

Hence, the question true-blue Singaporeans wish to ask the government is: What is the point of asking Pritam Singh what his point was? He was just doing his job.


Tan Bah Bah, consulting editor of The Independent.SG, is a former senior leader writer with The Straits Times. He was also managing editor of a local magazine publishing company.

http://theindependent.sg/that-chan-chun-sing-question-quite-a-number-of-points-actually/
 

Confuseous

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By the "clever" answers from CCS and that Chee Hong guy, they have done nothing but just to
enhance/double confirm their stupidity.
 

jw5

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Actually, the point of Pritam Singh's question is that Singaporeans have the right to know if PRs have taken their jobs. It is surprising that Chan Chun Sing is so deluded that he does not realise this. :wink:

Hence, the question true-blue Singaporeans wish to ask the government is: What is the point of asking Pritam Singh what his point was? He was just doing his job.
 

steffychun

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Major General to troops: We can fight the enemy, but let me ask you this, what is the point of fighting?

Private: I don't know. When can we ORD?
 

Semaj2357

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By the "clever" answers from CCS and that Chee Hong guy, they have done nothing but just to
enhance/double confirm their stupidity.
hanor, Pritam doesn't need a rhetorical question to his quest for the figures.
keechiu was stumped and if can't have the answer (like in the saf) - just throw smoke :redface:
 

glockman

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Chan: “We can get you the numbers. But let me say this: What is the point behind the question? Has local unemployment increased with all these efforts?…
“It’s not the data — it is the point of (Singh’s) question.”

What is the point?

For a start, Singaporeans have the unquestionable, in fact, inalienable, right to know. Born and bred Singaporeans bore the brunt of having built up post-independent Singapore. They were not invited here to be part of the process of creating or developing the country. It was not a matter of choice, as PRs and foreigners had, enticed as they were by the lure of jobs or the search for a better life or somewhere to park their money.

True-blues had nowhere else to go to except to make good here – or die trying. So now they seek this piece of information so that they can judge for themselves whether they have been sidelined or been treated decently by the government. Call it one of the effects of globalisation, this anxiety which needs to be assuaged.
Giving true-blues or nativists or inward looking Singaporeans (whatever you sarcastically call them) the truth is not the government’s prerogative. It is its non-negotiable responsibility.

Next, it is absurd to imply that providing the statistics would lead to divisions or hostility towards PRs and foreigners. The DNA of this society is multi-almost everything, whether we like it or not. Many Singapore leaders were born in other countries – the late DPM S Rajaratnam was born in Sri Lanka and Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan in Penang.

One of the government’s own fears has always been we may end up neither here nor there and that we should work to retain a core to retain our values and anchor us as we deal with all the waves of change. Now, when it suits its purpose, suddenly hostility rears its ugly head. No, hostility exists only in the government’s own imagination, insecurity or inability to present its case convincingly to the public for keeping such figure so unnecessarily hush-hush.

The ball is in the court of the government to explain why any Singapore PMET has to become a security guard – with statistics. Even one Singapore graduate with an MBA working to be a guard or tuition teacher is a big indictment of our manpower management.

The ball is in the court of the government to persuade Singaporeans that they have not been disadvantaged by having to serve national service – full-time and reservist – as part of the much-lauded Team Singapore. While we are at it, are there figures showing how many true-blue Singaporeans have migrated to avoid having to be part of a system which works AGAINST them? Think of the unconscionable number of native talents we have lost in the relative neglect or preference for easy solutions.
Above all, for heaven’s sake, the request for data was raised in Parliament and not heckled around recklessly in the Geylang redlight district between questionable characters. An MP has raised a perfectly legitimate question and expect a civil answer.

Hence, the question true-blue Singaporeans wish to ask the government is: What is the point of asking Pritam Singh what his point was? He was just doing his job.


Tan Bah Bah, consulting editor of The Independent.SG, is a former senior leader writer with The Straits Times. He was also managing editor of a local magazine publishing company.

http://theindependent.sg/that-chan-chun-sing-question-quite-a-number-of-points-actually/
This incident speaks volume of the poor caliber of people like CCS, their skewed view of the opposition in a supposedly democratic country, and the elitist view they hold themselves.
 

nayr69sg

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Actually, the point of Pritam Singh's question is that Singaporeans have the right to know if PRs have taken their jobs. It is surprising that Chan Chun Sing is so deluded that he does not realise this. :wink:
No CCS knows what the point of Pritam Singh's question is.

He is just trying to reaffirm the millions of deluded sinkies saying "what's the point?".
 

jw5

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Elites + Wannabe Elites benefitting from PAP + Poor bastards depending on PAP + Easily impressionable and deluded Sinkies = 70%. :wink:

No CCS knows what the point of Pritam Singh's question is.

He is just trying to reaffirm the millions of deluded sinkies saying "what's the point?".
 

nayr69sg

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This incident speaks volume of the poor caliber of people like CCS, their skewed view of the opposition in a supposedly democratic country, and the elitist view they hold themselves.

Democracy works. It is just that there are way more stupid people in the world/ country than there are smart ones.

Hence the leaders voted in are the conniving populist snakes who say what people want to hear.

It is the same in Canada too.

If there were more smart people than stupid people the world would collapse though.
 

glockman

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Democracy works. It is just that there are way more stupid people in the world/ country than there are smart ones.

Hence the leaders voted in are the conniving populist snakes who say what people want to hear.

It is the same in Canada too.

If there were more smart people than stupid people the world would collapse though.

Smart or stupid people aside, democracy does work. But only in situations where it is allowed to mature and grow without hindrance. In situations where the power base is evenly distributed among all parties, or at least a few dominant parties. Not one party.
 

shittypore

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Numbers are only good and useful to Puppies, like increase in Electricity, water, transport fare, school free, parking frees and GST. Public no need to know the real numbers, just pay up and shut up.
 

nayr69sg

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= how fucked up the status quo is.
Exactly. Never blame the govt. It is the people.

Same with regimes like Iran North Korea etc.

You can argue that the regime is brutal and will kill dissidents. Well it is up to the masses to defy and sacrifice.

People are cowardly so they keep quiet.

Easier said than done of course. I would be one of those cowards. But you can also choose to escape and run away. Which is what I would more likely choose than to rise up and fight.
 

AhΜeng

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many ah nehs like ramesh and more get pr and the data is definitely screwed.
pap had been fabricating such data for decades
its a fact as many singaporeans have seen it in their workplaces
once they become pr, they are classified as local employment
no need serve ns and gets all the benefits and even the ability to empty their cpf once they relinquish
pap is a traitor to singaporeans
 

bobby

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If there is nothing to hide...just give the figures and let us decide whether it was pointless or not.

These days how difficult is it to extract data from statistics already computed into a system.
 
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