Absolutely. The professionals in the financial industry know very well TJS's background. Just ask anyone who has dealt with him before.
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Tan Jee Say behind SPP internal rift, and will be behind NSP hostile takeover.
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Absolutely. The professionals in the financial industry know very well TJS's background. Just ask anyone who has dealt with him before.
Should he be called the opposition liquidator? From Wan Bao yesterday that he became the consultant of Benjamin Pwee's trust fund. Another cause for celebration! All other parties, SPP, SDP, SDA, SF, PKMS and RP will be liquidated and talent cum money will come and join his new party. A real hope for oppositions!
It seems that I was right to say that if he forms his own entity he will merely split opposition further.
Imagine this: -
BEFORE
NSP - Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Nicole, Jeannette, Jeislan, Theng
SPP - Chiam, Lena, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim
SDP - Chee, John, CSC, Gomez, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod, Isa
AFTER
NSP - Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Jeislan, Theng
SPP - Chiam, Lena, Jimmy
SDP - Chee, John, CSC, Gomez, Isa
New Party - TJS, Nicole, Jeannette, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod
From 3 parties of 7 leaders become 4 parties of 5 leaders. WP will remain strongest even with "Yaw-gate". PAP needless to say.
But if the gang joined NSP, it will be:
New Party - TJS, Nicole, Jeannette, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod, Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Jeislan, Theng
That would be quite a strong party.
Imagine this: -
BEFORE
NSP - Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Nicole, Jeannette, Jeislan, Theng
SPP - Chiam, Lena, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim
SDP - Chee, John, CSC, Gomez, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod, Isa
AFTER
NSP - Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Jeislan, Theng
SPP - Chiam, Lena, Jimmy
SDP - Chee, John, CSC, Gomez, Isa
New Party - TJS, Nicole, Jeannette, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod
From 3 parties of 7 leaders become 4 parties of 5 leaders. WP will remain strongest even with "Yaw-gate". PAP needless to say.
But if the gang joined NSP, it will be:
New Party - TJS, Nicole, Jeannette, Benjamin, Wilfred, Jimmy, Hamim, AYG, Michelle, Jarrod, Sebastian, Hazel, Tony, Jeislan, Theng
That would be quite a strong party.
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Chiam See Tong explains...
The following statement was released by Mr Chiam See Tong, Secretary-General of the Singapore People's Party:
Some of the claims made in public against members in the SPP and myself have become so warped that I am now compelled to give a personal explanation.
The six members of the CEC submitted their resignations to the party on 27 January, asking for that to take place with immediate effect. While we were reluctant, I eventually accepted their resignations in writing as they had made the resignations public.
The party can confirm that we have received legal advice to refute claims that the conduct of the Ordinary Party Conference (OPC) elections for new CEC members on 29 January was unconstitutional. Those claims were made by the ex-members who were not present at the OPC, and thus may not have been aware of the proceedings that day.
It has been levelled against me as Secretary-General of the SPP that I am not interested in leadership renewal and succession, or in being consultative. Nothing can be further from the truth.
I am aggressively building up the next batch of potential leaders, consistent with the public statement the party made recently. At this point of time, we can confirm that our talent pipeline is not affected. But the baton should only be passed when the right leaders are in place. To be sure of the capability and aptitude of the next leader, they have to work with our grassroots and volunteers. They have to show commitment to attending our walkabouts and other party activities. They have to showcase their policymaking capabilities through the policy working group.
I believe in the merits of a consultative, collective leadership. But the situation of a 'lack of collective leadership' which the party has been accused of was in fact a situation of 'collective leadership' exercised by those ex-CEC members in isolation from other CEC members. A key example of this was the setting up of their proposed community foundation under the banner of the SPP, which was privy only to them. The rest of the CEC was not consulted or involved in this setting up of this foundation.
We have been asked to respond to specific accusations over disagreements concerning signboards, book publications and event invitations. We see no point in doing so.
We reiterate that contrary to rumours, former presidential candidate Mr Tan Jee Say was not involved in the resignations. If he decides to join the SPP, we will welcome him fully.
The SPP is supportive of opposition unity and initiatives towards this end.
We have no ill intentions towards the ex-CEC members. They have indicated their intention to pursue other interests - we respect their decision and we sincerely wish them all the best in their future endeavours.
Chiam See Tong
Secretary-General
SPP
The following statement was released by Mr Chiam See Tong, Secretary-General of the Singapore People's Party:
Some of the claims made in public against members in the SPP and myself have become so warped that I am now compelled to give a personal explanation.
The six members of the CEC submitted their resignations to the party on 27 January, asking for that to take place with immediate effect. While we were reluctant, I eventually accepted their resignations in writing as they had made the resignations public.
The party can confirm that we have received legal advice to refute claims that the conduct of the Ordinary Party Conference (OPC) elections for new CEC members on 29 January was unconstitutional. Those claims were made by the ex-members who were not present at the OPC, and thus may not have been aware of the proceedings that day.
It has been levelled against me as Secretary-General of the SPP that I am not interested in leadership renewal and succession, or in being consultative. Nothing can be further from the truth.
I am aggressively building up the next batch of potential leaders, consistent with the public statement the party made recently. At this point of time, we can confirm that our talent pipeline is not affected. But the baton should only be passed when the right leaders are in place. To be sure of the capability and aptitude of the next leader, they have to work with our grassroots and volunteers. They have to show commitment to attending our walkabouts and other party activities. They have to showcase their policymaking capabilities through the policy working group.
I believe in the merits of a consultative, collective leadership. But the situation of a 'lack of collective leadership' which the party has been accused of was in fact a situation of 'collective leadership' exercised by those ex-CEC members in isolation from other CEC members. A key example of this was the setting up of their proposed community foundation under the banner of the SPP, which was privy only to them. The rest of the CEC was not consulted or involved in this setting up of this foundation.
We have been asked to respond to specific accusations over disagreements concerning signboards, book publications and event invitations. We see no point in doing so.
We reiterate that contrary to rumours, former presidential candidate Mr Tan Jee Say was not involved in the resignations. If he decides to join the SPP, we will welcome him fully.
The SPP is supportive of opposition unity and initiatives towards this end.
We have no ill intentions towards the ex-CEC members. They have indicated their intention to pursue other interests - we respect their decision and we sincerely wish them all the best in their future endeavours.
Chiam See Tong
Secretary-General
SPP
That sentence in bold is quite depressing.
But I agree with you that Yaw Gate will not dent WP in the long run. One thing I notice is that despite over the years, all the people keep accusing them of being "wayang" or "silent", but in the big picture somehow they get the long term fundamental approach correct. That is the basis of my confidence in WP.
I am not sure the gang can join NSP. The old guard of NSP will be major stumbling block. Unless the TJS coalition can usurp power and kick out the oldies.
Although Uncle Chiam said TJS's not involved, I cannot help but think that TJS indirectly caused the SPP group to flip. Someone must have whispered into their ears that collective leadership is very important during one of their "coalition walkabouts".
Does anyone know what's happening in NSP?
Does anyone know what's happening in NSP?
With all due respects to the Chiams, they are not smart enough to fuck around with TJS.
Yes, sir. Unbelievable!
Truly sad.
Thick Face Black Heart said:
They don't actually have to deal with him - just to shake his resolve a bit, knowing this guy will seize every opportunity. This much can be expected of Chiam. Even if TJS takes the bait, he cannot be making out much in SPP when the old guards are around. So he will pass but rue over a missed opportunity.
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issit wwn?
KNN. u all salah leh! TJS not involved!!! but the statement is aiming LINA CHIAM! haahahahaha. As long as no PAP woof woof involved, im happy 
Am I MILF Calibre?
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/02/we-wish-spp-and-mrs-chiam-all-the-best/
We are glad to hear that the recent SPP OPC elections was held constitutionally. Such public clarification and accountability bodes well for the SPP's credibility.
Our differences in opinion over leadership style have never ever been with Mr Chiam. We hold Mr Chiam in high regard and have never ever questioned his role as Sec-Gen and leader of the Party. We have sought hard to hear from Mr Chiam directly on all matters. We all want to continue his legacy and spirit of standing for consultation, democracy and inclusion, in society, in Parliament, and in the Party.
In the spirit of building a consultative collective team leadership, we have brought many matters (including the proposed Foundation, the photobook, and the NSP's CNY walkabout invite) formally to the Chiams and the CEC for collective consultation, response and decision. Many other CEC members other than those of us who left can attest to this, and there are email trails and CEC meeting minutes that record this. We together tried hard to seek consulted, collective CEC decisions on these and other matters.
We stand together with the Chiams and the SPP in stating that Mr Tan Jee Say was never ever involved with any Party internal CEC matters, nor with our leaving. We also fully agree with the Chiams and SPP that the details that led to our leaving is an internal Party matter.
Our clear public statement that our leaving was due to differences in leadership style and Party direction within the CEC, was to be publicly accountable to our Party members, supporters and voters for our leaving. We also want to state publicly again that our leaving was not due to any dispute over who was to take over the Sec-Gen post from Mr Chiam.
We chose to leave, to prevent further internal conflict and damage to the SPP leadership, and to allow Mrs Chiam and her team to continue to lead the Party in her chosen style and direction.
We continue to wish Mrs Chiam and her new CEC all the very best, as they lead the SPP forward.
–
Benjamin Pwee
Wilfred Leung
David Tan
Mohamed Hamim bin Aliyas
Mrs Mohamad Hamim bin Aliyas
Ting Sze Jiang
Am I MILF Calibre?
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2012/02/we-wish-spp-and-mrs-chiam-all-the-best/
We are glad to hear that the recent SPP OPC elections was held constitutionally. Such public clarification and accountability bodes well for the SPP's credibility.
Our differences in opinion over leadership style have never ever been with Mr Chiam. We hold Mr Chiam in high regard and have never ever questioned his role as Sec-Gen and leader of the Party. We have sought hard to hear from Mr Chiam directly on all matters. We all want to continue his legacy and spirit of standing for consultation, democracy and inclusion, in society, in Parliament, and in the Party.
In the spirit of building a consultative collective team leadership, we have brought many matters (including the proposed Foundation, the photobook, and the NSP's CNY walkabout invite) formally to the Chiams and the CEC for collective consultation, response and decision. Many other CEC members other than those of us who left can attest to this, and there are email trails and CEC meeting minutes that record this. We together tried hard to seek consulted, collective CEC decisions on these and other matters.
We stand together with the Chiams and the SPP in stating that Mr Tan Jee Say was never ever involved with any Party internal CEC matters, nor with our leaving. We also fully agree with the Chiams and SPP that the details that led to our leaving is an internal Party matter.
Our clear public statement that our leaving was due to differences in leadership style and Party direction within the CEC, was to be publicly accountable to our Party members, supporters and voters for our leaving. We also want to state publicly again that our leaving was not due to any dispute over who was to take over the Sec-Gen post from Mr Chiam.
We chose to leave, to prevent further internal conflict and damage to the SPP leadership, and to allow Mrs Chiam and her team to continue to lead the Party in her chosen style and direction.
We continue to wish Mrs Chiam and her new CEC all the very best, as they lead the SPP forward.
–
Benjamin Pwee
Wilfred Leung
David Tan
Mohamed Hamim bin Aliyas
Mrs Mohamad Hamim bin Aliyas
Ting Sze Jiang
someone says that wong HT was a mole who bring chaos to a few party and was now left out of all parties who become aware of it.
for the sake of having a strong opposition, all moles should be expose to prevent opposition parties to fail..
Chiam may have credibility in other areas, eg being a loving husband people don't doubt, being a good MP and caring for PP people don't doubt. But you are talking about party management and judgement of character here and you had a long list beginning with Chee/Ling/Wong who came from WP, then NSP who left SDA, then Sin KT shooting you several times, Desmond/PKMS then the new scholars of SPP.
It end up that no matter who is right, whether Chiam and gang or Pwee and gang, people will choose to believe Pwee and gang, just for this one.
The old guard of NSP are not as solid, cohesive or united as they look, nor are they so overwhelmingly power. Chris and Steve has always been rather solo. The "old guard dominance" within NSP has been overhyped, overrated. Furthermore as the name says, they are getting old. Tan, Yip and Ken are not longer really interested as they were before. They should know they have less than 10-20 years in this world.
Of course, if you yourself are a solo player with an eccentric ego attitude and warped perception of things, then nothing you can do. I can give you Socialist Front and you would still be unwelcomed.
Look how fast the ex-RP group managed to establish a foothold inside NSP. If NSP oldies really wanted to dominate, they would not even have taken one whole RP gang in one shot. This is always a medicine for trouble, unless the incumbents had wanted to retire in the first place.
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Very near to istana mah... cannot get into istana, get nearby also can.. Its a personal glorification thing.
