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Taiwanese Minister of Defence Army won't fight for Independence High Pressure to QUIT ARMY! No NSF!

democracy my butt

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Taiwanese DPP Govt Abolished NS and in Childish Expectation thought they could depend on Regular Recruitment but the whole scheme failed because NO BODY SIGN ON! Entire armed forces falling drastically Below Establishment Strength Level and high shortage. Total armed forces strength fell to historic low of 186 thousands.

Now Minister of Defense says the army personals won't want to fight against PLA invasion, and are under massive pressure to quit their regular sign-on jobs. Hence total strength will further fall and organizational problems rise sharply.

Better surrender to PLA ASAP!

http://www.sohu.com/a/230799945_115376

台独绝望吧!台防长:台军不会为台独而战
2018-05-08 07:39
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严德发台媒

海外网5月8日电 昨日(7日),台湾地区防务部门负责人严德发接受国民党籍“立委”曾铭宗质询,在回答“军人会不会为"台独"而战”时,严德发不假思索地表示“当然不会”。严德发称,“台军忠于国家,也忠于人民,而且始终如一。”

据台湾《中时电子报》消息,当日,面对质询,严德发说完“当然不会为"台独"而战”后,似乎意识到问题的敏感度,于是抢着说,“台军忠于国家,也忠于人民,而且始终如一。”有留言称,"台独"绝望吧”,“希望不是嘴炮”,“听其言,还要观其行”。

严德发:担心有些人抢着退伍

面对“军改”提问,严德发表示,他支持行政部门的“军改”版本,至于国民党版本所提“现役先行,退役不处理”原则,他不赞成。严德发称,“目前现役官兵中,有8000多人同时有新旧制年资,将因"军改"而减少退俸,这些人多是高阶军官,随时都可以退”,如果“现役先行,退役不处理”,恐怕有些人会抢着退伍。

严德发说,根据计算,“军改”后,30年可以省1千2百亿余元(新台币,下同),对此,多位国民党籍“立委”提出质疑,“立委”费鸿泰表示,如此一年只省40亿元,蔡当局一年浪费掉多少钱?为了这40亿元,竟把军人羞辱成这样。国民党“立委”李彦秀表示,现在真是“绿色恐怖”,她到会场排队,但民进党“立委”却冲进会场,并且霸占两个发言台。

“为谁而战”一直困扰台军

长期以来,蓝绿阵营争斗不休,“为谁而战”“因何而战”的问题一直困扰台军。还有国民党官员直言,“台湾没有打仗的本钱”,因为“射击时数严重不足,导致射不到靶,先进武器全靠采购外国,各军种只剩下18万6千人,且募兵失败,总兵力逐年下降。”

如今,由于对台军丧失信心,台湾许多年轻人已不愿服役。因为“为谁而战”“因何而战”的问题一直困扰台军,一个没有方向、意志涣散的军队,自然对台湾年轻一代没有吸引力。此外,台军丑闻频发,台湾执政党更替,台军内部不断经历“清洗”,许多年轻人对从军早已失去兴趣。

解放军军演就是针对“台独”

日前,解放军在台湾海峡水域进行了实弹演习。国台办发言人马晓光表示,解放军军演是针对“台独”势力及其分裂言行的,是为了捍卫国家主权和领土完整,维护两岸关系和平稳定,也是为了维护两岸同胞的共同利益,防止台湾民众福祉因“台独”图谋而受损。

马晓光说,解放军军演传达的信息十分清晰明确。我们有坚定的意志、充分的信心和足够的能力,挫败任何形式的“台独”分裂图谋和行径,捍卫国家主权和领土完整。如果“台独”势力继续恣意妄为,我们将进一步采取行动。(综编/海外网 朱箫)返回搜狐,查看更多



http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20180508000534-260118

嚴德發直言 國軍不會為台獨而戰


立法院外交及國防委員會7日開始審查軍改法案並詢答,國防部長嚴德發(左)答詢表示,他支持行政院的版本。圖右為退輔會主委邱國正。(劉宗龍攝)


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2018年05月08日 04:11 中國時報
呂昭隆/台北報導
國防部長嚴德發昨天被國民黨籍立委曾銘宗詢及,軍人會不會為台獨而戰時,嚴德發不假思索地表示「當然不會」;嚴德發接著說,國軍忠於國家,也忠於人民,國軍為中華民國而戰,且是始終如一。

攸關軍人年金改革的《陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例》修正草法,昨天下午在立院國防委員會進行詢答。曾銘宗於質詢最後時間,問了嚴德發「軍人是否會為台獨而戰」,嚴德發說「當然不會」。曾銘宗說「對」、「軍人當然不會為台獨而戰」。嚴德發似乎意識到問題的敏感度,於是搶著說,「國軍忠於國家,國軍忠於人民,而且始終如一。」

軍改重頭戲登場,昨天下午到場的立委多達20餘位,主席民進黨籍立委王定宇逐一唱名,就花了些許時間,是國防委員會極罕見的盛大場面,即便每年審查國防預算,也不曾見過如此大陣仗。

嚴德發明確表示,他支持行政院的軍改版本,至於國民黨版本所提「現役先行,退役不處理」原則,嚴德發不贊成。嚴德發答覆民進黨立委羅致政質詢時說,目前現役官兵中,有8000多人同時有新舊制年資,將因軍改而減少退俸,這些人多是高階軍官,隨時都可以退,如果「現役先行,退役不處理」,恐怕有些人會搶著退伍。

此外,嚴德發也不贊成時代力量主張將官的所得替代率,從最高90%降到80%,他說,將官的付出更多,不應該再調低。

國民黨立委李彥秀表示,現在國會真是綠色恐怖,她到委員會場排隊,但民進黨立委卻衝進會場,並且霸占兩個發言台;她說,幾場軍改公聽會都是過場,所有逐條審查,所有的朝野協商也是過場,最後都是暴力表決通過,因為所有條文都不能動,她不相信民進黨召委敢動行政院版的條文。

嚴德發說,根據軍方精算,軍改後,30年政府可以省1千2百億餘元,對此,多位國民黨籍立委提出質疑,立委費鴻泰表示,如此一年只省40億元,蔡政府一年浪費掉多少錢?為了這40億元,竟把軍人羞辱成這樣。

(中國時報)

台未獲WHA邀請函 民進黨應負最大責任
小英稱維持兩岸穩定 最優先




Taiwan independence desperate! Taiwan Defense Minister: Taiwan’s military will not fight for Taiwan’s independence
2018-05-08 07:39

Yan Defa Taiwan Media

Overseas Network, May 8 (Year 8) Yesterday (7th), Yan Defa, the head of Taiwan's defense department, questioned Zeng Mingzong of the Kuomintang legislator. When answering “whether the soldiers will fight for “Taiwan’s independence”,” Yan Defa said without hesitation. "of course not". Yan Defa said: "The Taiwan military is loyal to the country and loyal to the people. It is consistent."

According to Taiwan’s “China Times”, on the same day, after faced with the inquiry, Yan Defa said that “certainly not fighting for “Taiwan’s independence”” seems to be aware of the sensitivity of the problem, so he rushed to say, “The Taiwan military is loyal to the country. They are also loyal to the people, and they are consistent.” There are messages stating that “Taiwan independence” is desperate,” “I hope it is not a mouth gun,” and “listen to his words, but also watch his actions”.

Yan Defa: Worried that some people are rushing to retired

In response to the question of "military reform," Yan Defa said that he supports the "military reform" version of the executive branch and that the KMT version mentions the principle of "retiring from active service and retiring without handling" and he does not approve of it. Yan Defa said: "Among the current serving officers and men, there are more than 8,000 people who have both new and old age, and will be retired due to the "military reform." These people are mostly high-ranking officers, and they can withdraw at any time. If they are active, Retirement will not be handled. I am afraid that some people will rush to retired.

Yan Defa said that according to calculations, after the “military reform”, 120 billion yuan (NT$) will be saved in 30 years (Taiwanese dollars, the same below). To this end, many KMT legislators questioned the “legislators”, “Legislative” Fei Hongtai. It is said that only 4 billion yuan will be saved in this year. How much is the Cai authorities wasted in one year? For this 4 billion yuan, the military was humiliated into this way. According to Li Yanxiu, the “Legislative Yuan” of the Kuomintang, it is really a “green terror”. She lined up at the venue, but the “Legislative Yuan” of the Democratic Progressive Party stormed into the venue and occupied two statements.

"Fight for whom" has been plagued by the Taiwan military

For a long time, the blue-green camp struggled endlessly. The issue of "who fights for whom" and "what caused the war" has been plaguing the Taiwan military. Kuomintang officials also bluntly stated that "Taiwan does not have the capital to fight." Because "a serious shortage of shooting hours resulted in less than target shooting. Advanced weapons depended on the procurement of foreign countries. There were only 186,000 troops remaining in the services, and the recruitment failed. The total number of troops has decreased year by year."

Today, many young people in Taiwan are reluctant to serve because of the loss of confidence in the Taiwan military. Because the issue of "who fights for whom," and "who fights for it," has always plagued the Taiwan military. An army that has no direction and is willing to disperse will naturally not be attractive to the younger generation in Taiwan. In addition, the scandals of the Taiwan military have occurred frequently, the ruling party in Taiwan has replaced, and the Taiwan military has constantly experienced "cleansing". Many young people have long lost interest in the military.

The PLA military exercise is aimed at "Taiwan independence"

A few days ago, the People's Liberation Army conducted live-fire exercises in the waters of the Taiwan Strait. According to Ma Xiaoguang, spokesperson of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the Taiwan Affairs Bureau, the military exercise of the People’s Liberation Army is aimed at “Taiwan’s independence” forces and their separatist words and deeds. It is aimed at safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity, safeguarding the peace and stability of cross-Strait relations, and safeguarding the common interests of the compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Strait to prevent Taiwanese people. Welfare was damaged due to the "Taiwan independence" plot.

Ma Xiaoguang said that the information conveyed by the People’s Liberation Army military exercise is very clear and clear. We have firm will, full confidence, and sufficient capabilities to frustrate any form of "Taiwan independence" separatist schemes and actions and safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity. If the "Taiwan independence" forces continue to behave arbitrarily, we will take further action. (Comprehensive/Overseas Zhu Xi) Back to Sohu, see more



Http://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20180508000534-260118

Yan De expressly stated that the national army will not fight for Taiwan’s independence

The Legislative Yuan’s Diplomatic and Defence Committee began reviewing the military reform bill on the 7th and answered questions. The Minister of National Defense Yan Defa (left) answered that he supports the version of the Executive Yuan. Right in the picture is Qiu Guozheng, the chief of the Retired Council. (photo by Liu Zonglong)


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May 08, 2018 04:11 China Times
Lu Zhaolong/Taipei report
When Defense Minister Yan Defa was consulted yesterday by the Kuomintang legislator Zeng Mingzong and the soldiers would not fight for Taiwan’s independence, Yan Defa said without hesitation, “Of course not.” Yan Defa went on to say that the national army is loyal to the country and is loyal to the people. The national army is China. Battle for the Republic of China, and it is consistent.

The amendments to the “Regional Offshore and Air Service Officer Service Regulations” for the reform of the military annuity of Shaoguan have been answered in the Legislative Council Defense Committee yesterday afternoon. At the end of his inquiry, Zeng Mingzong asked Yan Defa whether “whether or not the soldiers will fight for Taiwan independence.” Yan Defa said, “Of course not.” Zeng Mingzong said that "yes" and "of course, the military will not fight for Taiwan independence." Yan Defa seems to be conscious of the sensitivity of the problem, so he rushed to say, "The national army is loyal to the country and the national army is loyal to the people and it is consistent."

The military reform has come to the fore. More than 20 legislators arrived in the afternoon yesterday. Wang Dingyu, the chairman of the DPP legislator, has spent a short period of time and is a very rare occasion for the National Defense Commission. Even if the national defense budget is reviewed every year, Never seen such a big battle.

Yan Defa made it clear that he supports the military reform version of the Executive Yuan. As for the principle of the “first in service and retired” in the KMT version, Yan Defa disapproved. Responding to the Democratic Progressive Party legislator Luo Zhizheng’s inquiry, Yan Defa said that currently more than 8,000 officers and men in active service have old and new systems at the same time. They will reduce their retreat due to military reforms. These people are mostly high-ranking officers and they can withdraw at any time. "If you are in active service and you are not retired," I am afraid that some people will rush to retired.

In addition, Yan Defa also disapproved of the power of the times to claim that the replacement rate of officials will be reduced from the maximum of 90% to 80%. He said that the officials should pay more and should not be lowered.

Kuomintang legislator Li Yanxiu said that now that Congress is really a green terror, she went to the committee field to line up, but the DPP legislator rushed into the venue and occupied two statements. She said that several military reforms and public hearings were all courtrooms. All the article-by-article reviews, all the opposition consultations among the parties were also cutscenes, and were finally passed by violent votes. Since all the provisions could not be moved, she did not believe that the DPP’s convocation of the Executive Council version.

Yan Defa said that according to military actuarial calculations, after the military reform, the government could save 120 billion yuan in 30 years. Many KMT legislators questioned this, and legislator Fei Hongtai said that only 4 billion yuan will be saved this year. How much is the Cai government wasted in a year? For this 4 billion yuan, the military was humiliated into this way.

(China Times)

Taiwan has not received the WHA invitation letter, the Democratic Progressive Party has the most responsibility
Xiaoying said maintaining cross-strait stability is the highest priority
 

Froggy

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The Peoples Liberation Army is there to guarantee Taiwan Province’s territorial sovereignty. Taiwan could save lots of money from relinquishing it’s defense budget.
 

KuanTi01

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The Taiwanese pro-independence dick-suckers are hoping that their Uncle Sam and stepmother Japan would come to their defence against China! Their army is just for show and to suck up to their masters buying American arms and currying favour. Looking forward to Liberation Day!
 

maxsanic

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I've always found the DPP's hostility to the armed forces inconsistent with the independence mantra. They seem to have carried over a lot of their nonsensical ideologies and emotional baggage from the old days of being persecuted by KMT so much so that most of their policies don't make any sense when they eventually run the government.
 

WW3Concert

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I've always found the DPP's hostility to the armed forces inconsistent with the independence mantra. They seem to have carried over a lot of their nonsensical ideologies and emotional baggage from the old days of being persecuted by KMT so much so that most of their policies don't make any sense when they eventually run the government.


DPP are 头疯 idiots.

If they want fight for independents than organized 100% volunteer no salary Martyrs of Independence Brigade to fight to death Kamikaze lah.

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have balls or not?

No balls want to dream so big?

Go fly kite!


NS don't want to serve. Dream FREEDOM & INDEPENDENCE & DEMOCRACY?!

Fucking idiots! Talk Cock and made laughingstocks! Eat Shit & Die!
 

democracy my butt

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台独傻屄们, 你们惨了! 阿共现在已经比美国厉害了! 而且高速领先美国,差距愈来愈大! 没有人给你们撑腰垫背,只有你们自己去死的很难看哦!

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-05-08/doc-ihacuuvu8999860.shtml

解放军仅凭2个连火箭炮为何就能摧毁台军新竹基地
2018年05月08日 10:42 新浪军事

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  昨天关于火箭炮攻击台湾新竹机场的简单分析,让台湾媒体Hi了一番,不少台媒大幅删减内容,转载了这篇文章后,下面一帮绿小将们是群魔乱舞。总的来说,就是说“你们大陆就会吹牛”呗。

  那今天还是继续伤害台独分子感情吧——顺便说一句,之前台湾国防部说观察者网写的文章是“伤害台湾人民感情”……但事实上我们从来只是说客观事实而已。

  毕竟面对的是“民主国家心防最强”——或者说官方吹牛从来不脸红的台湾嘛。

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  国军嘴炮厉害,那老共是比不了的

  相信有心的台湾民众是能够理解这一点的。事实上我们接触的很多台湾专家学者——首先他们并不是简单的蓝绿营,也不是那些在电视上大放厥词的“名嘴”,这里说的是真专家,不是“砖家”——是很清楚现状和事实的,只是——“旧中国传统在台湾”嘛,鲁迅当年讽刺过国民政府的那一套愚蠢的“宣传策略”现在在台湾继续大行其道嘛——所以即使这些专家很清楚台湾当局的嘴脸和听信台湾当局那套说辞的民众的想法,他们也并不急于说破。在笔者看来,这或许是一种“看戏”心态吧。

  这里补充介绍一下解放军的制导火箭弹,因为有一些包括国内的读者也并不明白PHL-03火箭炮的不同弹药究竟有多大区别。

  PHL-03火箭炮的来源就不必说了,我们已经介绍过很多次,上世纪90年代,引进俄罗斯BM-30(9A52)火箭炮技术,由兵器工业集团长春弹箭所研制生产,使用了航天集团的万山2400底盘。

  解放军从80年代到21世纪初,一直纠结于远程火箭炮选型的问题上。当时国内的几种远程火箭炮各有短长,WS-1火箭炮射程远,精度差;A-100火箭炮射程远、精度也不怎么好(原计划使用激光陀螺仪,精度应该非常好,但是因为陀螺仪太贵没有装,最后参加竞型的火箭弹精度和WS-1差不多);WM-80精度,射程也一般,所以解放军都没装备。后来随着微型廉价高精度的惯性原件和卫星制导系统普及,这几个型号又“咸鱼翻身”,成为国际市场的明星武器,这是后话。

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  WM-120火箭炮是WM-80的发展型号,在国内比较低调,目前也已经出口给了约旦、亚美尼亚等国

  而相比之下,俄罗斯的“龙卷风”火箭炮中国其实早就有接触,该火箭炮的最大特点是在没有使用昂贵的陀螺仪的前提下,仅通过两组简单的惯性测量元件和初始段的修正,就能够取得较好的精度。虽然射程70公里,和前述几种国产火箭炮相比都要短一些,但是作为一种投射高毁伤效果集束弹药——尤其是能发射末敏弹——的武器,它依然是在性价比等方面最合适的。

  最终,从2004年开始,PHL-03火箭炮正式装备部队,结束了多年来外贸市场上中国远程火箭炮攻城略地,国内却继续使用老式122火箭炮的一段尴尬状况。

  PHL-03火箭炮对于对台作战,那也是有着重要意义的,这仅从改型武器的列装情况就能看出。至今为止,解放军只有两个主要准备对台作战的集团军,在其编制内有两个远程火箭炮营组成的远程火箭炮旅。

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  PHL-03装备的第一支部队就是(前)第1集团军远火旅,意欲何为不是很明显吗?

  70公里的射程当然不能满足攻台作战的需求。2010年前后,国内网上曾出现不少讨论,说解放军可以效法当年康熙攻台,先夺澎湖,将火箭炮部署到那里来攻击台湾本岛。

  当然,如果解放军要直接进攻台独“大本营”的话,或许这样也可以。但在现在条件下,我军最希望的,是通过一场时间尽量短的军事行动,在最短时间内,攻占台湾行政中心台北,瓦解台湾当局,摧毁其“固守待援”的希望。从而快速解决台湾问题——当然或许有台湾绿青会说他们要在中央山脉打游击……但那明显不靠谱。

  那么这种作战就不大可行了——当然你说万一共军跟当年诺曼底登陆一样来个声东击西,那也说不定哦是不是……

  但这就说起来话长了,我们还是说对台湾北部地区的登陆作战。

  PHL-03的70公里射程在这种环境下颇为尴尬,部署在大陆这边,够不到目标,运过海去吧,这东西最小射程也有20公里,显然还不如122毫米火箭炮合适。

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  此前一度有传闻台湾要买ATACMS导弹,根据不同型号,其射程在150-300公里……然而美国最后还是没敢卖……或者说台军还是没敢买……

  放到船上或许是一个可行的选择,最近美军也在做这类测试,或许未来可以试试。

  但我们看到,从2016年开始,解放军原南京军区第一集团军的远火旅,开始进行火箭炮跨海射击演练。由于远火旅自己就有无人机等技术手段,所以完全可以发挥火箭炮的最大射程。

  而此时1军远火旅装备的,就是曾在珠海航展出现的,外贸代号“火龙140A”的制导火箭了。

  “火龙”系列火箭弹是兵器工业集团外贸火箭弹的代号,后面的数字,就是其标称的射程。

  火龙-140火箭弹采用的是简易制导,也就是和俄罗斯火箭弹类似的,有简易惯性测量组件,在发射后的几秒钟用姿控发动机进行一次简易修正的原理。

  而火龙-140A这一A,就不一样了,它采用了卫星制导——外贸型当然是用GPS\GLNASS\北斗这几个“全能”,自用型用北斗军码来制导。

  北斗军码和GPS的军码一样,是和民码独立的,具备抗干扰能力的卫星定位信号,要对其进行大范围的干扰是非常不容易的。

  根据近年来在国外航展上公布的,相关数据,使用GPS+INS复合制导的“火龙-140A”在140公里的距离上,圆概率误差应该在两米左右(50%概率偏差小于2米)。根据相关公式可知,这意味着除了失控离群弹,那没落进2米圈子里的50%,偏离量也不大于6米。

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  300毫米破片杀伤弹爆炸瞬间

  而新竹的那些机堡——起码大于20*30米尺寸,也就是说,火龙-140A可以确保击中。

  俄罗斯现在自己也开发了类似的弹药,射程90公里,因为俄罗斯对于这种火箭弹的价格要求还是比中国严格一些——也就是说,性能较好的固体燃料俄罗斯并不是没有,只是那会造成火箭弹比较贵,发射起来心疼。

  但对于解放军来说,打不过海峡的话,这种火箭弹其他性能好也没啥意义啊,所以,这个140公里的射程是个底线——当然事实上,自用的火龙-140A的射程应该不止140公里,不会出现目标距离141公里就打不到了这样的情况的,至少覆盖整个登陆作战的纵深应该是没有问题。

  也正是因为这种制导火箭弹的精度如此好,射程如此远,军改后东部战区71军远火旅的相关报道中,才会出现“多发弹攻击同一目标,不同弹种先后命中”,“一车多目标攻击”这样的战术。

  事实上这并不是什么黑科技——当然了在某些井底之蛙眼中可能是——当初美国就进行过B-2轰炸机一次投射80枚GPS制导炸弹在不到1分钟时间内同时攻击一个机场上的80处目标的试验,并且取得了成功——当然井底之蛙们会说,“美国爸爸才能做到,老共怎么可能?”

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  2003年美国B-2使用JDAM一次性攻击一个机场上80个目标的试验

  那我就只能耸肩了,照这个逻辑下去很快他们就要说不相信共军有核武器了是不是。但其实这对于大陆来说,真的不怎么难——其实大量的弹药同时打多个固定目标,对于卫星制导来说真的是没有难度,这玩意的原理和你开车按照卫星导航找路是一样的,卫星只需要发出制导信号即可,弹药可以自己根据目标经纬度坐标飞过去就是了。如果是打机动目标当然就会比较复杂,但是对于机堡这样的“死目标”嘛……

  至于说这种弹药的威力,中央电视台已经播放过西部战区用这玩意轰模拟三哥碉堡目标的视频了,打穿2米左右的钢筋混凝土跟玩一样。

  事实上钻地弹这东西,咱们之前在“光华奖”系列文章里说过,解放军早就有大量研究,在高速钻地弹领域,并不比以色列、美国的水平差,美国人能用150公斤炸弹做到的事情,没有理由解放军用200多公斤的火箭弹弹头做不到。

  对于现代战争来说,如果直接把敌方飞机在机堡里就摧毁了——那跑道炸不炸其实就没啥意义了……因为你没有使用这个跑道的飞机了,反而更有利于我方将来接收呢……

  当然,PHL-03的火箭弹也不光是钻地弹和高爆弹两种,还有各种集束弹药,这个杀伤威力么……

  其实精度这么高的弹药呢,对于台湾民众来说倒是可以放心了,从卫星地图上可以看到,台军基地的围墙距离其核心区域还是有点距离的,几十发火箭弹乒铃乓啷掉在基地里的时候,如果不是运气特别糟糕碰上离群弹的话,附近的民众应该是可以安心的啦。

  所以呢,台军弟兄们也知道啦,万一运气不好碰上这种事呢——那当然是要想办法逃啦,这个火箭弹虽然智能,但也还确实区分不了你到底是打算见到解放军的面就投降呢还是怎样的啊……300毫米火箭弹的一个弹头大概有230多公斤,杀伤半径还是蛮大的,所以尽量跑远点哦。

  那还有人说了,你这么简单的武器能打台湾,那我们台军也可以反击你大陆……

  是哈,你们多牛逼啊,还有雄-2E呢,据说还要搞雄3E哦,好厉害,好厉害。

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  台湾总共也就几十发雄2E,战斗部顶天500公斤,够干嘛的呢?

  不过呢——你要知道,就算台湾跟美国买上几百发“战斧”,由于台湾就那么大点,全岛没有地方能逃脱打击,而且经过那么多年的侦察,基本上已经没什么地方可躲可藏。反过来大陆呢?你知道解放军的火箭炮可能会部署到平潭,但是你知道它们在哪?它们什么时候开过去?从哪儿发射?

  之前看到台军内部刊物上发过一个神论,说如何反击共军火箭炮,说共军的火箭炮战术无非抄袭苏联,那苏联火箭炮的部署地域,在他们的示意图上都画着呢,我们照着图往那打就行了……

  额……

  且不说台军没有足以执行这一任务的武器——“雷霆2000”的性能一塌糊涂,数量还少的可怜——就算送给你几门PHL-03,你以为照着示意图里画出来的目标方位发射,能打到个毛线?

  台军一直自吹要依靠“数位化”、“资讯化”战胜共军,然而事实上,真正掌握信息优势的是共军好不好?

  台军到现在都没能解决在30公里外控制无人机的难题……而解放军这边?……额,为了防止你们说“美国爸爸能做到的你们共军怎么可能?”,你们可以去问问伊拉克、沙特、阿联酋这些玩“彩虹”“翼龙”无人机已经多年的国家,是不是很OK啊?

  至于说共军有没有胆子武统——笔者也不是决策者,放狠话也没啥意义的啦。但如果你们这样抬杠呢,我只能说,那你就继续作呗……(作者署名:席亚洲)

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The People's Liberation Army can destroy Taiwan’s Hsinchu base with only two rockets
May 08, 2018 10:42 Sina Military

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Yesterday's simple analysis of the rocket attack on Hsinchu Airport in Taiwan made Taiwanese media Hi a lot. Many Taiwan media drastically cut down the content. After reprinting this article, the following gang of green teenagers were dancing. In general, it means that "your continent will boast."

Today, it continues to hurt the feelings of Taiwanese independence elements. By the way, the Taiwan Ministry of National Defense said that the article written by Observer.com was “injury the feelings of the people of Taiwan.” But in fact we have only said objective facts.

After all, what is facing is “the strongest democracy in the democratic countries”—or Taiwan where the official bragging has never blushed.

The guns of the national army are terrible.

It is believed that the people of Taiwan who are interested can understand this point. In fact, we have contacted many Taiwanese experts and scholars – first of all, they are not simple blue-green camps, nor are they “famous” on TV. They are talking about real experts, not “brick homes” — they are very clear. The status quo and the facts are -- "The old Chinese tradition is in Taiwan." Well, the stupid "propaganda ploy" that Lu Xun satirized the Nationalist government at that time continues to prevail in Taiwan now - so even these experts are very clear about the Taiwan authorities. They are also not in a hurry to say anything about the idea of the people of the Taiwan authorities who have spoken and listened to the speech. In the author's opinion, this may be a kind of "look at the play" mentality.

Here is a brief introduction of the guided rocket projectile of the People's Liberation Army, because some domestic readers do not understand how different the ammunition of the PHL-03 rocket launcher is.

The source of the PHL-03 rocket launcher need not be mentioned. We have already introduced it many times. In the 1990s, the Russian rocket BM-30 (9A52) rocket technology was introduced. It was developed and manufactured by the Ordnance Industry Group Changchun Rocket and used the Aerospace Group’s Wanshan 2400 chassis.

From the 1980s to the beginning of the 21st century, the People's Liberation Army has been tangled in the issue of long-range rocket type selection. At the time, several types of domestic long-range rocket launchers each had short lengths. The WS-1 rocket launchers had a long range and poor accuracy. The A-100 rocket launchers had a far range and poor accuracy. (The original plan was to use a laser gyro, and the accuracy should be very good, but because of the gyroscope Instrument is too expensive to install, and finally the accuracy of the rockets that participate in the competition is similar to that of the WS-1. The accuracy of the WM-80 and the range are also general. Therefore, the PLA has no equipment. Later, with the popularization of miniature, high-precision inertial originals and satellite guidance systems, these models have become "starfish" and have become a star weapon in the international market. This is a later story.

The WM-120 rocket launcher is a development model of the WM-80. It is relatively low-key in the country and has also been exported to Jordan, Armenia and other countries.

In contrast, Russia's "tornado" rocket cannons have actually been in contact with China. The most prominent feature of the rocket cannons is the use of two simple inertial measurement elements and initial segment corrections, without using expensive gyroscopes. , you can achieve better accuracy. Although it has a range of 70 kilometers, it is shorter than the aforementioned domestic rocket launchers. However, as a weapon that projects high-damage effect cluster munitions, especially those capable of emitting end-sensitive munitions, it is still the most cost-effective and other aspects. suitable.

In the end, since 2004, the PHL-03 rocket launcher was formally equipped with troops, ending the long-range Chinese rocket launchers on the foreign trade market for a number of years, and domestic use of the old 122 rocket launchers has continued to be an embarrassing situation.

The PHL-03 rocket launcher is also very important for fighting against Taiwan. This can be seen only from the situation of modified weapons. So far, the PLA has only two group forces that are mainly preparing to fight against Taiwan. In its establishment, there are two long-range rocket artillery brigades consisting of long-range rocket artillery battalions.

The first unit of the PHL-03 equipment is the (former) 1st Corps far fire brigade. Is it not obvious what the intention is?

The range of 70 kilometers certainly cannot meet the needs of attacking Taiwan. Before and after 2010, there was a lot of discussion on the domestic Internet, saying that the People's Liberation Army could follow the example of Kang Xi’s attack on Taiwan, taking advantage of Wuhu and deploying rocket launchers there to attack Taiwan’s island.

Of course, if the People's Liberation Army wants to directly attack Taiwan’s “base camp”, it may be possible. However, under the current conditions, what our military hopes most is to take a short-term military operation in the shortest period of time to take over Taipei, the administrative center of Taiwan, to dismantle the Taiwan authorities and destroy its hope of "staying strong." So that we can quickly solve the Taiwan issue - of course, there may be Taiwan Green Green will say they want to make a guerrilla in the Central Range ... but that is obviously not reliable.

Well, this kind of combat is not feasible - of course, if you say that if the Commonwealth strikes the West in the same way as the Normandy landings of the year, then maybe that is not...

But this is a long story. We still say that we have landed in northern Taiwan.

The 70 km range of PHL-03 is quite awkward in this environment. It is deployed on the mainland side and cannot reach the target. Go over the sea. This thing has a minimum range of 20 kilometers. It is obviously not as good as a 122 mm rocket.

Previously there were rumors that Taiwan wanted to buy ATACMS missiles. According to different models, its range was 150-300 kilometers. However, the United States finally did not dare to sell ... or the Taiwan military did not dare to buy ... ...

Putting it on board may be a viable option. The US military is also doing this kind of testing recently. Perhaps it can be tried in the future.

However, we have seen that since 2016, the distant fire brigade of the First Army of the former Nanjing Military Area Command of the People's Liberation Army began a rocket firing exercise across the sea. As far away the fire brigade itself has drones and other technical means, it is fully possible to use the maximum range of the rocket launcher.

At this time, the 1st military fire brigades were equipped with the guidance rocket that had appeared in the Zhuhai Airshow and had the foreign trade code name “Fire Dragon 140A”.

The "Fire Dragon" series of rockets is the code name for the Foreign Trade Rocket of the Weaponry Industry Group. The number behind it is its nominal range.

The Fire Dragon-140 rocket is based on simple guidance, which is similar to the Russian rocket. It has a simple inertial measurement module and uses the attitude control engine for a simple correction after a few seconds.

The A-140A is not the same, it uses a satellite guidance - foreign trade type is of course using GPS \ GLNASS \ Beidou these "all-around", self-use Beidou military code to guide.

The Beidou Army yards, like the GPS military yards, are independent of the civilian yards and have anti-jamming satellite positioning signals. It is not easy to perform large-scale interference on them.

According to relevant data published in foreign airshows in recent years, with the use of GPS+INS composite guidance “Fire Dragon-140A” at a distance of 140 kilometers, the round of probability error should be about two meters (50% probability deviation is less than 2 meters). . According to the relevant formula, this means that in addition to out-of-control raids, it does not fall within 5 percent of the 2 meters circle, and the deviation is not more than 6 meters.

300mm Fragment Destroyed Instantly

And those fortress of Hsinchu - at least more than 20 * 30 meters in size, that is, the dragon -140A can ensure hit.

Russia has now developed similar ammunition itself, with a range of 90 kilometers, because Russia’s price requirements for such rockets are still stricter than China’s—that is, Russia, which is a solid fuel with better performance, is not without it, but it will cause Rockets are more expensive and they feel bad when launched.

However, for the People's Liberation Army, if we can't beat the Straits, there is no point in the good performance of this type of rocket. Therefore, the 140-kilometer range is the bottom line - of course, the 140-A range of the self-use Fire Dragon-140A should have a range of more than 140 kilometers. There will be no problem if the goal is not covered by a distance of 141 kilometers. At least covering the entire depth of landing operations should be no problem.

It is precisely because the accuracy of this guided rocket project is so far and the range is so far. In the relevant report of the Far East Fire Brigade in the Eastern War Zone after the military reform, there will be “multi-shots attacking the same target and different types of missiles hitting one another”. "One vehicle multi-target attack" is such a tactic.

In fact, this is not a black technology - of course, in the eyes of some frogs in the bottom of the hole may be - the United States had conducted a B-2 bomber at a time to project 80 GPS guided bombs attacking an airport at the same time in less than 1 minute 80 goals were tested and they were successful - of course, the bottom frogs would say, "American dad can do it, how can the old communist?"

In 2003, U.S. B-2 used JDAM to attack 80 targets on one airport at a time.

Then I can only shrug my shoulders. According to this logic, they will soon say that they do not believe that the Communists have nuclear weapons. But in fact, this is not very difficult for the mainland. In fact, a large number of ammunition hit multiple fixed targets at the same time. It is really not difficult for satellite guidance. The principle of this game and the way you drive by satellite navigation is In the same way, satellites only need to issue guidance signals. Ammunition can fly by itself according to the target longitude and latitude coordinates. If it is to be a maneuvering target, of course, it will be more complicated, but for such a "dead target" of Château?

As for the power of this kind of ammunition, CCTV has already played a video of the West Theater using this game to simulate the goal of the Three Brothers Bunker, and it penetrates about 2 meters of reinforced concrete to play the same.

In fact, we have previously said in the "Guanghua Awards" series that the People's Liberation Army had conducted a lot of research. In the field of high-speed earth-drilling, it is not worse than Israel and the United States. Americans can use 150 kilograms. There is no reason why the PLA bomb could not be achieved with a rocket warhead of more than 200 kilograms.

For modern warfare, if the enemy plane was destroyed directly in the castle, it would be meaningless if the runway was to be fried or not fried... because you did not use the aircraft on this runway, but it was more beneficial to us. Receive it in the future...

Of course, the PHL-03's rockets are not just two types of bombs and high-explosive bombs, but also various cluster munitions.

In fact, the ammunition with such a high precision can be assured to the people of Taiwan. From the satellite maps, we can see that the wall of the Taiwan military base is still a little distance away from its core area, and dozens of rockets have ping-pong balls. When in the base, if it is not particularly bad luck to run into a stray bomb, the nearby people should be able to feel at ease.

Therefore, the Taiwanese military brethren also know that if it is not good enough to run into this kind of thing, then of course it is to find a way to escape. Although this rocket is smart, it really does not tell you exactly what you intend to see. To the People's Liberation Army to surrender or what kind of ah ... ... a 300 mm rocket warhead about 230 kilograms, killing radius is still quite large, so try to run away.

Some people said that if you can use such a simple weapon to fight Taiwan, then our Taiwanese army can also counterattack your mainland...

It is Kazakhstan. You are awesome, and you have a male -2E. It is said that you are going to make a male 3E. It's so powerful. It's amazing.

In total, Taiwan also made dozens of males, 2E, and the warheads were 500 kilograms. What's enough?

However, you must know that even if Taiwan and the United States buy hundreds of "maisons," because Taiwan is so big, there is no place on the island to escape the blow. After so many years of reconnaissance, basically there is no place to be. Hide and hide. In turn, mainland China? You know that the People's Liberation Army rockets may be deployed to Pingtan, but do you know where they are? When will they open? Where did you launch?

Before seeing a theory on the internal publications of the Taiwan military, they said how to fight back against the communist rockets. They said that the tactics of the communist rockets were nothing more than plagiarizing the Soviet Union. The deployment of the Soviet rockets was painted on their schematic maps. We followed. Picture to play on the line ...

The amount...

Not to mention that the Taiwan military did not have enough weapons to perform this task. The performance of the Thunder 2000 was a mess, and the number was still very poor. Even if it gave you a few PHL-03s, you thought that you drew the target drawn in the diagram. Azimuth launch, can you reach a wool?

The Taiwan military has been urging itself to rely on "digitalization" and "informatization" to defeat the Communists. However, in fact, is it true that the Communists really grasp the advantages of information?

Taiwan’s military has not been able to solve the problem of controlling drones 30 kilometers away. ...... In order to prevent you from saying, "How is it possible for your fathers to be able to do in the United States?" you can ask the Iraqi, Saudi Arabian and UAE countries that have played the "Rainbow" and "Pterosaur" drones for many years. Is it OK?

As for whether or not the Communist Army has the courage to use the system - the author is not a decision maker. But if you do this, I can only say, then you will continue to work ... (Author: Asia)
 

Truth_Hurts

Alfrescian
Loyal
The Peoples Liberation Army is there to guarantee Taiwan Province’s territorial sovereignty. Taiwan could save lots of money from relinquishing it’s defense budget.
The fuckiens already want reunification with China..they know Taiwan itself has no economic future. And they can't stomach a fight.the pathetic state of the military also shows there is no real desire for independence. So might as well just give up this charade n end the song and dance.
 
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