Police & CID CPIB & CAD

[jw5]

Can someone explain the difference between the police and the CID; and the difference between CPIB and CAD?
When is the CID involved in criminal cases and when is the ordinary police enough to handle the case? Are the police considered part of the CID?
When is the CPIB involved in corruption cases and when is the CAD involved? Are there cases that involve both organizations?

 

[Yoshitei]

Can someone explain the difference between the police and the CID; and the difference between CPIB and CAD?
When is the CID involved in criminal cases and when is the ordinary police enough to handle the case? Are the police considered part of the CID?
When is the CPIB involved in corruption cases and when is the CAD involved? Are there cases that involve both organizations?

CID handles investigation of a criminal nature within the Singapore Police Force. So unlike the regular police, they do not do patrolling or respond to 999 calls.

CID like Traffic Police are departments within the SPF.

CPIB handles investigation into corruption in both private and government sectors. So they look into matters such as if someone in your company or a government office is accepting bribes in return for preferential treatment (eg. inside information on a tender).

CAD handles investigation into white collar commercial or financial crimes. So they look into matters such as if someone in your finance department is forging signatures for cheque payments to themselves or cooking the books the make the company look financially stronger then it really is.

 

[Papsmearer]

CID handles investigation of a criminal nature within the Singapore Police Force. So unlike the regular police, they do not do patrolling or respond to 999 calls.

CID like Traffic Police are departments within the SPF.

CPIB handles investigation into corruption in both private and government sectors. So they look into matters such as if someone in your company or a government office is accepting bribes in return for preferential treatment (eg. inside information on a tender).

CAD handles investigation into white collar commercial or financial crimes. So they look into matters such as if someone in your finance department is forging signatures for cheque payments to themselves or cooking the books the make the company look financially stronger then it really is.

I just want to add that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO, and not to any police department. This is highly irregular in that the PMO has knowledge of all ongoing investigations of the CPIB including investigations into political corruption. because the PMO is a political entity, and the CPIB is supposed to be impartial, The PMO is therefore in a conflict position, because they can squash any investigation into their own kind.

 

[scroobal]

Agree with you. CPIB should report directly to AG or similar Government servant and not to a political leader.

I just want to add that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO, and not to any police department. This is highly irregular in that the PMO has knowledge of all ongoing investigations of the CPIB including investigations into political corruption. because the PMO is a political entity, and the CPIB is supposed to be impartial, The PMO is therefore in a conflict position, because they can squash any investigation into their own kind.

 

[Char_Azn]

I just want to add that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO, and not to any police department. This is highly irregular in that the PMO has knowledge of all ongoing investigations of the CPIB including investigations into political corruption. because the PMO is a political entity, and the CPIB is supposed to be impartial, The PMO is therefore in a conflict position, because they can squash any investigation into their own kind.

A thought came to mind after reading your comment. Wouldn't it be the same if it reports directly to say, the Police Commissioner. Since CPIB is also in charge of investigating, say corruption of members of the Police force, Police Commissioner in effect would have the power to stop the said investigation. On top of that, SPF is under the Home ministry which in effect is still under PMO hence could still indirectly influence the investigation of the case.

Going by this scenario CPIB -> Police Comissioner -> Home Ministry -> PMO

If we think about it that way, it is more logical for it to report directly to the PMO rather then Police Commissioner since the Prime Minister is only 2nd in command to the President himself hence the ability to influence investigation of a particular case by anyone in between is minimized. Come to think of it, might as well make it independent and have them report directly to the president altogether. Make sense?

 

[Lee Hsien Tau]

I just want to add that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO, and not to any police department. This is highly irregular in that the PMO has knowledge of all ongoing investigations of the CPIB including investigations into political corruption. because the PMO is a political entity, and the CPIB is supposed to be impartial, The PMO is therefore in a conflict position, because they can squash any investigation into their own kind.

Squash yes.

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[chingchong]

How come CAD did not investigate Lee Kuan Yew's brother's trading in UIC shares ?

 

[Lee Hsien Tau]

A thought came to mind after reading your comment. Wouldn't it be the same if it reports directly to say, the Police Commissioner. Since CPIB is also in charge of investigating, say corruption of members of the Police force, Police Commissioner in effect would have the power to stop the said investigation. On top of that, SPF is under the Home ministry which in effect is still under PMO hence could still indirectly influence the investigation of the case.

Going by this scenario CPIB -> Police Comissioner -> Home Ministry -> PMO

If we think about it that way, it is more logical for it to report directly to the PMO rather then Police Commissioner since the Prime Minister is only 2nd in command to the President himself hence the ability to influence investigation of a particular case by anyone in between is minimized. Come to think of it, might as well make it independent and have them report directly to the president altogether. Make sense?

And the president is in the pay of the PMO?

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[scroobal]

President is a Political entity.

A thought came to mind after reading your comment. Wouldn't it be the same if it reports directly to say, the Police Commissioner. Since CPIB is also in charge of investigating, say corruption of members of the Police force, Police Commissioner in effect would have the power to stop the said investigation. On top of that, SPF is under the Home ministry which in effect is still under PMO hence could still indirectly influence the investigation of the case.

Going by this scenario CPIB -> Police Comissioner -> Home Ministry -> PMO

If we think about it that way, it is more logical for it to report directly to the PMO rather then Police Commissioner since the Prime Minister is only 2nd in command to the President himself hence the ability to influence investigation of a particular case by anyone in between is minimized. Come to think of it, might as well make it independent and have them report directly to the president altogether. Make sense?

 

[drifter]

and LKY control them all .....

 

[allanlee]

How come CAD did not investigate Lee Kuan Yew's brother's trading in UIC shares ?

CAD was not around during Dennis's case......... was formed only after

 

[allanlee]

A thought came to mind after reading your comment. Wouldn't it be the same if it reports directly to say, the Police Commissioner. Since CPIB is also in charge of investigating, say corruption of members of the Police force, Police Commissioner in effect would have the power to stop the said investigation. On top of that, SPF is under the Home ministry which in effect is still under PMO hence could still indirectly influence the investigation of the case.

Going by this scenario CPIB -> Police Comissioner -> Home Ministry -> PMO

If we think about it that way, it is more logical for it to report directly to the PMO rather then Police Commissioner since the Prime Minister is only 2nd in command to the President himself hence the ability to influence investigation of a particular case by anyone in between is minimized. Come to think of it, might as well make it independent and have them report directly to the president altogether. Make sense?

The only reason that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO is that the PM must give the green light before investigations are commenced........ they do not want "heroes" to mess up the system......... and that's why only "YES" men and those who are extremely good at following orders are recruited into the CPIB.

 

[allanlee]

CAD handles investigation into white collar commercial or financial crimes. So they look into matters such as if someone in your finance department is forging signatures for cheque payments to themselves or cooking the books the make the company look financially stronger then it really is.

I think that's the jobscope of the CCB........ CAD goes for the Big Fish cases :p

 

[jw5]

CID handles investigation of a criminal nature within the Singapore Police Force. So unlike the regular police, they do not do patrolling or respond to 999 calls.

CID like Traffic Police are departments within the SPF.

CPIB handles investigation into corruption in both private and government sectors. So they look into matters such as if someone in your company or a government office is accepting bribes in return for preferential treatment (eg. inside information on a tender).

CAD handles investigation into white collar commercial or financial crimes. So they look into matters such as if someone in your finance department is forging signatures for cheque payments to themselves or cooking the books the make the company look financially stronger then it really is.

Thanks bro.
But when are police criminal cases considered serious enough to be referred to the CID?
Understand now about CPIB and CAD. CPIB for corruption cases. CAD for commercial crimes, not necessarily corruption.

 

[jw5]

I just want to add that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO, and not to any police department. This is highly irregular in that the PMO has knowledge of all ongoing investigations of the CPIB including investigations into political corruption. because the PMO is a political entity, and the CPIB is supposed to be impartial, The PMO is therefore in a conflict position, because they can squash any investigation into their own kind.

So who does the PMO report to?

 

[scroobal]

No complaint was lodged by the Stock Exchange.

How come CAD did not investigate Lee Kuan Yew's brother's trading in UIC shares ?

 

[Papsmearer]

Agree with you. CPIB should report directly to AG or similar Government servant and not to a political leader.

Yes, the CPIB should report directly to the legislative branch of the govt. and not the executive branch. That is the theory part of check and balances. The problem is that in S'pore, they are one and the same. The AG is hand picked by the govt. and is therefore compliant to the PAP. Also, the PAP does not want to give so much power to one person. If the CPIB reported to the AG, the AG will have the power to investigate the PAP, something which Con You does not want.

 

[Papsmearer]

The only reason that the CPIB reports directly to the PMO is that the PM must give the green light before investigations are commenced........ they do not want "heroes" to mess up the system......... and that's why only "YES" men and those who are extremely good at following orders are recruited into the CPIB.

That's about right.

 

[KuanTi01]

That's about right.

Spot on! Very zhun. If u ask for my honest opinion, I'll be very blunt about it -the police, CID CAD or CPIB ISD and what-nots all belong to the same party i.e.the PAP

 

[Lee Hsien Tau]

Yes, the CPIB should report directly to the legislative branch of the govt. and not the executive branch. That is the theory part of check and balances. The problem is that in S'pore, they are one and the same. The AG is hand picked by the govt. and is therefore compliant to the PAP. Also, the PAP does not want to give so much power to one person. If the CPIB reported to the AG, the AG will have the power to investigate the PAP, something which Con You does not want.

AG also cannot trust?

ST February 3, 2007
By Elena Chong

A former police officer was charged in court yesterday with 10 counts of corruption and two counts of cheating involving a total of about $12,000.

Ex-senior station inspector Ko Poh Koon, 48, whose services had been terminated in January 2005, allegedly accepted free dinner and entertainment from businessmen Joseph Teo Kee Lip and Albert Teo Teck Hee when he was with the Secret Societies Branch, Criminal Investigation Department.

This was allegedly in exchange for providing 'protection' to a Nigerian associate of the two Teos, and for help on police matters.

In September 2004, he allegedly lent Mr Albert Teo $20,000, but said it came from a friend. He told Mr Teo, 38, that the friend wanted $10,000 in interest and convinced him to hand over $5,000 as part payment. The following month, Ko is said to have lent Mr Albert Teo $5,000, but wanted $2,000 as interest.

Ko has applied for time to make representations to the Attorney-General's Chambers. He faces a fine of $100,000 or five years in jail or both for corruption. The penalty for cheating is up to seven years in jail and a fine.


Some people have connections. These people work within another law. They are privy to invisible dealings with the AG's.


TodayOnLine
14 April 2007
Leong Wee Keat
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A FORMER senior station inspector was fined $1,500 on Friday after he pleaded guilty to conducting himself in ways prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the police force.

Ko Poh Koon, a 27-year veteran of the force, accepted $2,000 worth of free dinner and entertainment from businessmen Albert Teo and Joseph Teo while he was attached to the Secret Societies Branch of the Criminal Investigation Department.

He was treated to dinner and nightclub entertainment between May and June 2004 for the "police protection" of the Teos' Nigerian business associates, and for help and information on police matters.

Originally charged under the Prevention of Corruption Act, Ko, 49, was given a reprieve when the charges were reduced, falling within the Police Force Act.

Under the latter, the maximum penalty he faced for each charge was a fine not exceeding $500 or three months' jail or both.

In Ko's mitigation plea on Friday, lawyer Shashi Nathan argued that Ko "never corruptly accepted any gratification" and never benefited financially. Ko also did not compromise his duties or position as a police officer, nor caused any harm or detriment to police investigators.

Ko had joined the police force in 1976 before he retired in 2003. He was later re-employed by the force, and his services were terminated in January 2005.