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Plagiarism in the Bible

drifteri

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The Bible (both the Old and New Testament) are central to Christianity and so are its many myths, stories and parables. But even though many of these myths help to define the religion, some of them are not original – they have been borrowed or copied from other myths from other religions. This makes sense since all books in some way draw on the traditions and ideas of the past. What is interesting is that if some of the central stories of the Bible have been plagiarised, then how can the Bible be the inerrant word of God? Is it the word of some other god before Christianity? Or does plagiarism in the Bible show that the book is not holy, but merely an invention of the imagination? I think the answer to the last question is probably yes.

If Christians admit that the myths of religions before it have no basis in reality or history, then if they drew on those same myths for inspiration, on what basis can they say that their myths are true? I'm not saying that the stories in the Bible are not compelling – they are just as interesting as any of the Greek myths – I'm saying that they do not prove that Judaism or Christianity are original, special or more 'holy' than other religions. They're not. I'll go through some of these plagiarised stories to get this point across.

Genesis 3 in the Bible tells the story of how Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, which God forbade her to do, and this act released evil into the world. This is similar to the myth of Pandora's Box. Pandora was the first woman (like Eve) created by the Greek gods. Like Eve, Pandora was created in the image of her creator. Pandora opened a box she was told not to open (like the fruit Yahweh told Eve not to eat) and once she opened the box, evil came out of it. Both Pandora and Eve were curious and tempted, and both the ancient Greeks and Christians (with the idea of Original Sin) use their disobedience to God to explain why disease, sickness and sin exists in the world. Historically, the Jews flourished in ancient Greece, so they would have been aware of the myths and stories relating to Greek gods.

Many scholars recognise that the parallels between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the book of Genesis are so obvious that the authors of the Bible must have used them. The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Mesopotamia and is one of the earliest known works of literature. It dates to the 18th Century BC. The first parallel is between the story of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve. In both stories a man is created from the soil by a god, and lives among the animals. He is introduced to a woman who tempts him – he accepts her offering of food, decides to cover his nakedness, leaves paradise, and is not allowed to return.

Later on in the Epic of Gilgamesh, a snake steals a plant from Gilgamesh which has the power to give him immortality. The snake represents evil in the epic, and represents Satan in the Bible. The parallels are so identical that it would be an incredible coincidence if the authors of the Bible invented the story themselves. That said, both the story in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible are entertaining allegories which try to explain the existence of evil in the world. The snake features as a symbol in many other stories and myths from around the world.

Andrew R. George, a translator of the epic argues that the flood story in Genesis 6-8 closely matches the Gilgamesh flood myth in such a way that Genesis must have been derived from it. As Andrew notes, the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood story “point by point and in the same order”. In the epic, the god Ea warns Utnapishtim of a great flood and told Utnapishtim to build a boat in order to save all the living things. Just like Noah, he builds the boat, puts all the living things and his family on it, experiences a storm, and after it was all over, he offers a sacrifice to God. Flood stories have been found in many texts which predate the Bible. It's found in the epic of Ziusudra and the epic of Atrahasis (which is nearly identical to the epic of Gilgamesh). In Hindu mythology, texts like the Satapatha Brahmana mentions a great flood, in which Vishnu advises Manu to build a giant boat.

The story of the life of Jesus, so vital to the Christian faith, is not original either. This is probably the story which actually has the most parallels with other religions, suggesting that the story is universal and expressed by many cultures in a similar way. Carl Jung called these universal stories or symbols archetypes and Joseph Campbell argued in his book, The Hero With a Thousands Faces, that the story of Jesus is just one way of expressing the archetypal story of the archetypal hero.

The Zeitgeist movie goes through some striking similarities between the life and death of Jesus and previous gods from other religions, such as Horus, Mithras, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, as well as many others. The creator of the movie, Peter Joseph, does however overstate these similarities in order to support his conspiracy theory that the myths of Jesus and other gods relate to astrological and astronomical events. He claims, for example, that gods like Horus were born on the same day as Jesus (the 25th December) and that Horus' mother, Isis, was a virgin. By comparing the Bible to ancient Egyptian texts, we know this is not true – Horus' birthday was most likely between August 24th and 28th and he was not born of a virgin; his father was Osiris.

However there are still similarities between Jesus and other gods, suggesting that the authors of the Bible borrowed myths from other religions. For example, the story of the “dying-and-returning-god” is considered a pattern or archetype by many, particularly by Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. The gods Adonis, Tammuz, Osiris and Dionysus died and were then resurrected. It seems likely that the story of Jesus was following a pattern found in other myths, which in turn were following a common “dying-and-returning-god” pattern. This suggests that there never was a real, historical Jesus.
 

Frodo

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The Bible (both the Old and New Testament) are central to Christianity and so are its many myths, stories and parables. But even though many of these myths help to define the religion, some of them are not original – they have been borrowed or copied from other myths from other religions. This makes sense since all books in some way draw on the traditions and ideas of the past. What is interesting is that if some of the central stories of the Bible have been plagiarised, then how can the Bible be the inerrant word of God? Is it the word of some other god before Christianity? Or does plagiarism in the Bible show that the book is not holy, but merely an invention of the imagination? I think the answer to the last question is probably yes.

If Christians admit that the myths of religions before it have no basis in reality or history, then if they drew on those same myths for inspiration, on what basis can they say that their myths are true? I'm not saying that the stories in the Bible are not compelling – they are just as interesting as any of the Greek myths – I'm saying that they do not prove that Judaism or Christianity are original, special or more 'holy' than other religions. They're not. I'll go through some of these plagiarised stories to get this point across.

Genesis 3 in the Bible tells the story of how Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, which God forbade her to do, and this act released evil into the world. This is similar to the myth of Pandora's Box. Pandora was the first woman (like Eve) created by the Greek gods. Like Eve, Pandora was created in the image of her creator. Pandora opened a box she was told not to open (like the fruit Yahweh told Eve not to eat) and once she opened the box, evil came out of it. Both Pandora and Eve were curious and tempted, and both the ancient Greeks and Christians (with the idea of Original Sin) use their disobedience to God to explain why disease, sickness and sin exists in the world. Historically, the Jews flourished in ancient Greece, so they would have been aware of the myths and stories relating to Greek gods.

Many scholars recognise that the parallels between the Epic of Gilgamesh and the book of Genesis are so obvious that the authors of the Bible must have used them. The Epic of Gilgamesh is an epic poem from Mesopotamia and is one of the earliest known works of literature. It dates to the 18th Century BC. The first parallel is between the story of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve. In both stories a man is created from the soil by a god, and lives among the animals. He is introduced to a woman who tempts him – he accepts her offering of food, decides to cover his nakedness, leaves paradise, and is not allowed to return.

Later on in the Epic of Gilgamesh, a snake steals a plant from Gilgamesh which has the power to give him immortality. The snake represents evil in the epic, and represents Satan in the Bible. The parallels are so identical that it would be an incredible coincidence if the authors of the Bible invented the story themselves. That said, both the story in the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible are entertaining allegories which try to explain the existence of evil in the world. The snake features as a symbol in many other stories and myths from around the world.

Andrew R. George, a translator of the epic argues that the flood story in Genesis 6-8 closely matches the Gilgamesh flood myth in such a way that Genesis must have been derived from it. As Andrew notes, the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood story “point by point and in the same order”. In the epic, the god Ea warns Utnapishtim of a great flood and told Utnapishtim to build a boat in order to save all the living things. Just like Noah, he builds the boat, puts all the living things and his family on it, experiences a storm, and after it was all over, he offers a sacrifice to God. Flood stories have been found in many texts which predate the Bible. It's found in the epic of Ziusudra and the epic of Atrahasis (which is nearly identical to the epic of Gilgamesh). In Hindu mythology, texts like the Satapatha Brahmana mentions a great flood, in which Vishnu advises Manu to build a giant boat.

The story of the life of Jesus, so vital to the Christian faith, is not original either. This is probably the story which actually has the most parallels with other religions, suggesting that the story is universal and expressed by many cultures in a similar way. Carl Jung called these universal stories or symbols archetypes and Joseph Campbell argued in his book, The Hero With a Thousands Faces, that the story of Jesus is just one way of expressing the archetypal story of the archetypal hero.

The Zeitgeist movie goes through some striking similarities between the life and death of Jesus and previous gods from other religions, such as Horus, Mithras, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, as well as many others. The creator of the movie, Peter Joseph, does however overstate these similarities in order to support his conspiracy theory that the myths of Jesus and other gods relate to astrological and astronomical events. He claims, for example, that gods like Horus were born on the same day as Jesus (the 25th December) and that Horus' mother, Isis, was a virgin. By comparing the Bible to ancient Egyptian texts, we know this is not true – Horus' birthday was most likely between August 24th and 28th and he was not born of a virgin; his father was Osiris.

However there are still similarities between Jesus and other gods, suggesting that the authors of the Bible borrowed myths from other religions. For example, the story of the “dying-and-returning-god” is considered a pattern or archetype by many, particularly by Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. The gods Adonis, Tammuz, Osiris and Dionysus died and were then resurrected. It seems likely that the story of Jesus was following a pattern found in other myths, which in turn were following a common “dying-and-returning-god” pattern. This suggests that there never was a real, historical Jesus.

Can you tell us where did YOU plagiarise the above from?
 
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drifteri

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“A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact plagiarized material, particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians – the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the flood story, the creation of man out of clay, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, the tree of knowledge, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths, like the throwing of Moses after he was born in the river, are all but stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 5000 years back in time”

[video=youtube;blU_bBAbOUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU_bBAbOUc[/video]
 

Frodo

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“A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact plagiarized material, particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians – the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the flood story, the creation of man out of clay, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, the tree of knowledge, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths, like the throwing of Moses after he was born in the river, are all but stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 5000 years back in time”

[video=youtube;blU_bBAbOUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blU_bBAbOUc[/video]

Which just begs the question, on what basis you assume the Bible plagiarised drom Sumerian accounts?
 

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Prometheus: son of the sky god Zeus who came down to earth to give a gift to mankind (fire). Was nailed to a wall and suffered for it, until he was resurrected by the will of his father.

Apollonius of Tyana: Philosoper in Greece, claimed by his followers to heal the sick and raise the dead, taken to trial by Romans, followers claimed to have seen him resurrected.

New Testament: Initially written in Greek, and much later than these two stories.

Coincidence?
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
 

Frodo

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Prometheus: son of the sky god Zeus who came down to earth to give a gift to mankind (fire). Was nailed to a wall and suffered for it, until he was resurrected by the will of his father.

Apollonius of Tyana: Philosoper in Greece, claimed by his followers to heal the sick and raise the dead, taken to trial by Romans, followers claimed to have seen him resurrected.

New Testament: Initially written in Greek, and much later than these two stories.

Coincidence?
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html

Care to examine all of them side by side? You would see that the differences are so glaring that you would be so embarassed of claims.
 

drifteri

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The new testament parallel predated Greek's mythology- "The book of John began as a pagan philosophy written by the Greek Philosopher Heraclitus who wrote of the Logos about 500 years before Jesus. The Book of John repeats the philosophy almost word for word and adapts it to a description of Jesus as the creator. Originally this philosophy was written by Heraclitus, a pagan Greek, to explain his belief of Zeus as the creator of the universe. This philosophy was well known in the ancient world."

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Frodo

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The new testament parallel predated Greek's mythology- "The book of John began as a pagan philosophy written by the Greek Philosopher Heraclitus who wrote of the Logos about 500 years before Jesus. The Book of John repeats the philosophy almost word for word and adapts it to a description of Jesus as the creator. Originally this philosophy was written by Heraclitus, a pagan Greek, to explain his belief of Zeus as the creator of the universe. This philosophy was well known in the ancient world.

Ok, now comes the difficult part for you. Provide the evidence in support of the above. Surely the cartoon is not the evidence?
 

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Deleted, thank you frodo for being excellent in spotted small mistake but can't see the big mistakes in the bible:wink:
 
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drifteri

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Does this mean you agreed that Gospel of Barnabas is a medieval forgery?
The catholic church has already made an official request for the authentication of the gospel. I would rather wait for official confirmation. Some christians are acting like they are expert in every field. Do you know how many expertise is requiried?

It is a well know fact that the 4 official gospels are approved by the roman rulers:wink: There are many gospels existed in ancient time....
 

Frodo

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The catholic church has already made an official request for the authentication of the gospel. I would rather wait for official confirmation. Some christians are acting like they are expert in every field. Do you know how many expertise is requiried?

It is a well know fact that the 4 official gospels are approved by the roman rulers:wink: There are many gospels existed in ancient time....

The result would be that the document is a genuine document, but a genuine counterfeit.

Many gospels? Like how many? Written by who and which one you believe is the true one?
 

drifteri

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The result would be that the document is a genuine document, but a genuine counterfeit.

Many gospels? Like how many? Written by who and which one you believe is the true one?

Genuine counterfeit? Your absurdity really make me laughing !!!Backup yourself. By past record I don't think you are able to :wink: The other question, Google yourself. Sorry I plagiarise exactly one of your standard answers, whahahahaha
 
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Frodo

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Genuine counterfeit? Your absurdity really make me laughing !!!Backup yourself. By past record I don't think you are able to :wink: The other question, Google yourself. Sorry I plagiarise exactly one of your standard answers, whahahahaha

I understand that you may have problems comprehending what is meant by genuine counterfeit. Are you really truly sorry about your plagiarism? You seem perfectly happy doing that.
 
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