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Pastor Rony Tan said sorry
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It is good that the Buddhist and Taoist leaders came up with this statement. If not, there would be more problem within the country. It also shows that they are magnanimous and practice what they preach on being forgiving and merciful.
One up for the Buddhist and Taoist in term of their moral standing.
One up for the Buddhist and Taoist in term of their moral standing.
I hope this is not the same philosophy you applying to the erections? A person waiting for karma to come round the mountain is better of sleeping by the river.
Yes its double standards. Police no standard (arrest small boy) and ISD got standard (make such a bigot apologize like a virgin caught by her father sleeping with the bangla gardener).
It would be nice if politicians were required by law to accord due respect to the opposition too. 
After all, there isn't much difference between religion and politics. Both seek to expand their spheres of influence as part of a zero sum game.
After all, there isn't much difference between religion and politics. Both seek to expand their spheres of influence as part of a zero sum game.
I hope there will be no double standard in Seditious Act just because Buddhist and Taoist is more tolerance
SINGAPORE: A Christian couple has been found guilty of possessing and distributing seditious and undesirable publications to three Muslims.
In Singapore's first sedition trial, SingTel technical officer Ong Kian Cheong and his wife, UBS associate director Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, were convicted on four charges.
Three of the charges come under the Sedition Act and one under the Undesirable Publications Act.
In his judgement, District Judge Roy Neighbour said the two publications which the Protestant Christian couple had distributed in 2007 - called "The Little Bride" and "Who is Allah" - have a "strong seditious tendency".
The judge said he does not believe the couple's defence that they did not read the publications before sending them out, as the booklets were "ordered regularly and in bulk for over two decades".
Calling the couple "educated and intelligent people", the judge said they "would have known" that the publications "had a serious seditious tendency because the tracts are not only highly critical but denigrate Islam, the Roman Catholic Church and other religions".
He also disbelieved Chan's claim that she had "randomly" sent them out, "because in a multi-racial society like Singapore, a name can reveal a person's race and possibly religion".
Ong and Chan will appear in court again on June 4 for mitigation and sentencing.
The couple was arrested on January 30 last year after a police ambush party saw Ong dropping off a stack of envelopes at a mailbox outside SingTel Comcentre in Exeter Road that morning.
Twenty-two brown envelopes which contained publications were recovered from the mailbox. More items were found in Ong's car and his Maplewoods condominium home. Chan was arrested later in the day.
For each of the two Sedition Act charges, the couple can be fined up to S$5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years.
The possession charge can carry a fine of up to S$2,000 and/or a jail term of up to 18 months.
Distributing an objectionable publication is punishable with a fine up to S$5,000 and/or a jail term of up to 12 months.
SINGAPORE: A Christian couple has been found guilty of possessing and distributing seditious and undesirable publications to three Muslims.
In Singapore's first sedition trial, SingTel technical officer Ong Kian Cheong and his wife, UBS associate director Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, were convicted on four charges.
Three of the charges come under the Sedition Act and one under the Undesirable Publications Act.
In his judgement, District Judge Roy Neighbour said the two publications which the Protestant Christian couple had distributed in 2007 - called "The Little Bride" and "Who is Allah" - have a "strong seditious tendency".
The judge said he does not believe the couple's defence that they did not read the publications before sending them out, as the booklets were "ordered regularly and in bulk for over two decades".
Calling the couple "educated and intelligent people", the judge said they "would have known" that the publications "had a serious seditious tendency because the tracts are not only highly critical but denigrate Islam, the Roman Catholic Church and other religions".
He also disbelieved Chan's claim that she had "randomly" sent them out, "because in a multi-racial society like Singapore, a name can reveal a person's race and possibly religion".
Ong and Chan will appear in court again on June 4 for mitigation and sentencing.
The couple was arrested on January 30 last year after a police ambush party saw Ong dropping off a stack of envelopes at a mailbox outside SingTel Comcentre in Exeter Road that morning.
Twenty-two brown envelopes which contained publications were recovered from the mailbox. More items were found in Ong's car and his Maplewoods condominium home. Chan was arrested later in the day.
For each of the two Sedition Act charges, the couple can be fined up to S$5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years.
The possession charge can carry a fine of up to S$2,000 and/or a jail term of up to 18 months.
Distributing an objectionable publication is punishable with a fine up to S$5,000 and/or a jail term of up to 12 months.
Religion got this moral binding obligation whereas in politics there is none.
It would be nice if politicians were required by law to accord due respect to the opposition too.
After all, there isn't much difference between religion and politics. Both seek to expand their spheres of influence as part of a zero sum game.
"Yes! No double standard hor. We monks are offended deep deep as we are most righteous with the world... Amitabah..."
Religion is a personal thing while politics is not personal. That's the difference.
Karma does come around in politics, just a matter of when. Of course, we could accelerate it a bit here and there.
Goh Meng Seng
If there is really Karma, then many of us here will kenna 1st.
We curse, swear at everything and everyone. We're racist and pray everyday that something bad happen to others. Some of us laugh when SHT got burnt and complain that Indian smells bad.
If there is Karma, then we have to be careful hor. Many of the things we said or did will come around to haunt us.
We curse, swear at everything and everyone. We're racist and pray everyday that something bad happen to others. Some of us laugh when SHT got burnt and complain that Indian smells bad.
If there is Karma, then we have to be careful hor. Many of the things we said or did will come around to haunt us.
But seriously, your point is a valid indictment on the maturity of our Society currently.
For your suggested scenerio to happen, we would have to have a considerable layer of civic-minded community leadership comprising the intelligentsia as well as the grassroots living in a culture of goodwill & mutual respect.
That would indeed be the Gracious Society that we are all aspiring to have fo our beloved Singapore.
Harrow, Bro, Rony Tan IS Lighthouse Evangelism, donch u know ?
(hint: As founder-Sr Pastor, he is like Kong Hee or Joe Prince, Lumber 1 in his organization, founder-CEO like Old Man, u know ?)
WRONG ! Bro Tua Neh Pau !
Some assistant to the Buddhist Leadership :-
" nabei, limpei is bo-pian ! No choice, he easy easy say sori like last time that Pastor Derrick of COOS what 'don't let natiion cross the line' later also say sori.
Christian pastor say 'sorry' veri big oredy, u think like Mr Brown BakChorMee story : Sorry also not enuf ! ah ?
Bo-pian, our kah kia want to hoot him or kpkb back, but oh-mi-to-fo, we cannot be like them....
Lan Lan, who ask Lao Lee always say our Community is the most tolerant one ....
Sigh.... their same-same religion followers also among the top Cheng Hu lang .... we where got chance ?
maybe in ISD, they also chum-xiong chum-xiong, so Rony tan tau-ka-chew, no create more trouble, juz apologize , everybuddy happy...
In summary, (all together say.....) LET'S MOVE ON !
Harrow, Bro, Rony Tan IS Lighthouse Evangelism, donch u know ?
(hint: As founder-Sr Pastor, he is like Kong Hee or Joe Prince, Lumber 1 in his organization, founder-CEO like Old Man, u know ?)
Which means they do not answer to the NCCS and can operate like PAP.
Next lighthouse chief executive pastor.... Pacer!
In this country, one has to be lukewarm in their beliefs, no extremist, no overzealousness and no insensitivity.
To be lukewarm ... is just counterproductive.
To be lukewarm ... is just counterproductive.
Be careful, this is how a fundamentalist will react .....
Using words like 'lukewarm', how about 'half-baked' ?
It is not even about compromise or no compromise as truth cannot be compromised, right ?
It is more about recognizing that so many different types inhabit this one pitiful earth - & especially in Singapore, this multi-everything place has potent dynamics.
You want to go all out, you will attract all out counteraction.
As simple as recognizing socio-political realities.
Even then, there is STILL lots of room for each segment to expand - just don't step on each others' toes !
I think ISD did him a favour, I wonder how could Rony is charged in court and jailed?
Could it be that Buddhists and Taoists are more compassionate and forgiving?
Could it be that Buddhists and Taoists are more compassionate and forgiving?
It was the power of the ISA that brought him down to his knees not the internet
If I post a video ask why certain people walking to pray pray certain religion get knock down by car, means their mighty belief not bless them and actually is not existant, will I be charged for Sedition? 99.9999999% I will!
Then why this Rony so special no need charge? CHARGE HIM
Then why this Rony so special no need charge? CHARGE HIM
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