PAP wants George Yeo to lose

[davetan3]

anyone has a list of the questions that he asked? over the years? the most significant ones?

 

[kukubird58]

hahaha....i tried very hard not to post this......but my little bird ask me to join in the TCSS.....
Papee wants GY to lose......by extension will mean that they want LHH to lose, Zainal to lose, Cynthia to lose, OYK to lose......
this is really testing the intelligence of bros in this forum......

 

[hairylee]

From this election one can see that LHL either undermine the positions or remove those within their ranks that does not support him.
Lim Boon Heng is an example.

 

[Char_Azn]

Politicians' speeches tell you much about a person's grasp of issues. The importance of soundbites cannot be denied but the truly great orator is able to fuse it with a narrative with utter compelling reasoning that will wow the crowd, and for those who know the issues in depth, they can sense the depth in a politician's mind. Such is the class which most local opposition politicians lack especially newbies speaking on a stage for the first time. In this class, I reckon only LTK and CST have this quality. CST in this election is a shadow of his past due to his poor health. In the heyday, CST is a class of his own. In the past, I reckon Francis Seow, JBJ and the fiery Tang Liang Hong got these qualities. Tang Liang Hong got to go, as I listened to him, he was such a power with his words yet conveying his shrewd awareness. He is a big threat. LTK does it in a moderate style but utterly effective. His ability to go on a topic with powerful logic, yet using consistent soundbites, got my admiration. It is easier to be fiery but to do it from a quiet style is far harder. LTK is in a class of his own without a doubt.

I disagree on the LTK part. LTK is a good MP and leader for the party. However he is not a good Parliamentarian. Far too often I've seen him being crushed too easily in Parliament or not press far enough on his own point.

CST has consistently done better in this department, even some of the former NCMPs like Sylvia Lim and Steve Chia actually fared much better then him in Parliament. Whether it's due to the law training of the former or the lack of proficiency of LTK himself, I am not sure. There is no doubt that he makes a good leader, a brilliant political strategist and a good MP. He is also very charismatic however LTK's debating skills leaves a lot to be desired.

With Sylvia Lim and Chen Show Mao both having Lawyer background, this might change in the near future

 

[patrickv]

I disagree on the LTK part. LTK is a good MP and leader for the party. However he is not a good Parliamentarian. Far too often I've seen him being crushed too easily in Parliament or not press far enough on his own point.


With Sylvia Lim and Chen Show Mao both having Lawyer background, this might chance in the near future

pap dog,



with u having so much body fats, it is certainly not easy to crush u. i pity the tiong aik guys tasked to carry u when u die.

 

[SotongMee]

The GRC game is like Casino now for those who created it.

GY is not the sacrificial lamb, they fought to the last at Aljunied GRC.

When you place a Minister to win the GRC you be prepared to lose one as well.

Problem is someone who had been on a winning streak at their own game had forgotten this could happen.

And had it been like previous GE when many in PAP are free to give a helping hand for campaign, they would have FIXed Aljunied GRC like Cheng San GRC ..so there is no conspiracy theory behind losing a gamble. It was every man for himself, so casualty can be expected.

In this forum nearly a month ago I revealed that LTK was leaving Hougang to contest the GRC. No one had revealed that or even hinted that before. That info did not come from WP members. It came from a govt source. Rest assured that GY and the rest of the establishment were well aware. This is the govt of Singapore that we are talking about. This is the same govt that bugged Ryan Goh's house in Perth and interviewed the shopkeeper near his daughter's place of abode about her demeanor. This is the same govt that entered Francis Seow's hotel room in the US and emptied his trash can in his room. The only people that seemed surprised are his party faithful except for an inner circle. Only the full slate was not finalised.

If this Govt wanted to save GY, they would have done it. All it takes is GY to move as they did with LSS.

 

[mutualsharing]

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[SotongMee]

You make it sound like Art of War and WP won by deception, come on, how can be so drama?
Don't tell me you are the mole, Agent 007. hahahaha

Surprised that you don't know.

This was the result of a disinformation campaign that took forever to implement. LTK was supposed to lead a "sneak" attack in Moulmein Kallang. Also, it was not supposed to be concentrated effort. Rather Sylvia and Chen was supposed to take Aljunied while LTK went to Moulmein Kallang with his "surprise" commando team.

This was fed to the moles who brought the poison back to their master.

On Nomination Day, LTK took the wrong bus and ended up in the wrong nomination centre. The rest is history.

 

[levusjovi]

I believe there maybe some logic to the theory that PAP may want GY to lose.

Firstly, when they added Kaki Bukit Ward to Aljunied, surely they would have known that MP had not been contested for years and Kaki Bukit was under East Coast before going to MP. And even before to moving to East Coast it was under Eunos. We all know that WP had strong support in Eunos and it was hotly contested previously. By moving Kaki Bukit, it may end up meaning more votes for WP than PAP. And the results confirmed that Kaki Bukit got more WP votes. Bad technical move? But I guess it may be done on purpose.

Even though WP did not announce where LTK was standing, but surely the PAP knows that the WP will send a very strong team to Aljunied. In that case, they have the following options. Move GY out of Aljunied if they really treasure him. But that would also means that it will make the WP capture of Aljunied easier. Therefore they should strengthen the team. Beside GY, the rest of the PAP Aljunied team is lightweight. For example LHH is already very unpopular in her ward due to the foreign dorm issues. CP had her fair share of negative news too. They are the weakest link in the team and yet LHL did not replace them.

When LHL apologize, he did that to save WKS and MBT asses not GY. Therefore poor GY had do make a last minute plead and vowed to be the voice of Aljunied as the WP had been campaigning on having opp voices. In my view this was like a penalty awarded in the 90th minute. However LHL did nothing to it. He could have supported GY and his team by declaring that the PAP whip will be lifted for the Alijunied Team if they get elected. This will definitely win back a lot of vote. But he kept quiet and therefore GY send the penalty wide and the rest is history.

 

[Sibehzun]

I believe there maybe some logic to the theory that PAP may want GY to lose.

Firstly, when they added Kaki Bukit Ward to Aljunied, surely they would have known that MP had not been contested for years and Kaki Bukit was under East Coast before going to MP. And even before to moving to East Coast it was under Eunos. We all know that WP had strong support in Eunos and it was hotly contested previously. By moving Kaki Bukit, it may end up meaning more votes for WP than PAP. And the results confirmed that Kaki Bukit got more WP votes. Bad technical move? But I guess it may be done on purpose.

Even though WP did not announce where LTK was standing, but surely the PAP knows that the WP will send a very strong team to Aljunied. In that case, they have the following options. Move GY out of Aljunied if they really treasure him. But that would also means that it will make the WP capture of Aljunied easier. Therefore they should strengthen the team. Beside GY, the rest of the PAP Aljunied team is lightweight. For example LHH is already very unpopular in her ward due to the foreign dorm issues. CP had her fair share of negative news too. They are the weakest link in the team and yet LHL did not replace them.

When LHL apologize, he did that to save WKS and MBT asses not GY. Therefore poor GY had do make a last minute plead and vowed to be the voice of Aljunied as the WP had been campaigning on having opp voices. In my view this was like a penalty awarded in the 90th minute. However LHL did nothing to it. He could have supported GY and his team by declaring that the PAP whip will be lifted for the Alijunied Team if they get elected. This will definitely win back a lot of vote. But he kept quiet and therefore GY send the penalty wide and the rest is history.

Indeed, it is telling from today's Shit Times when reporter asked the PM what he thought about GY's comment about reforming PAP.
His reply: 'That is an opinion expressed by George Yeo..."
GY's fate was doomed way before nomination day.

 

[tweedy4]

I disagree on the LTK part. LTK is a good MP and leader for the party. However he is not a good Parliamentarian. Far too often I've seen him being crushed too easily in Parliament or not press far enough on his own point.

CST has consistently done better in this department, even some of the former NCMPs like Sylvia Lim and Steve Chia actually fared much better then him in Parliament. Whether it's due to the law training of the former or the lack of proficiency of LTK himself, I am not sure. There is no doubt that he makes a good leader, a brilliant political strategist and a good MP. He is also very charismatic however LTK's debating skills leaves a lot to be desired.

With Sylvia Lim and Chen Show Mao both having Lawyer background, this might change in the near future

let's not forget also Pritam Singh ... one helluva debator

 

[Forvendet]

I don't think PAP want George Yeo or anyone to lose except Desmond Choo who's obviously in for the experience not for winning. I also don't think LTK is confident enough that he and Sylvia Lim could beat GY for sure, a contest too close to risk Hougang. Otherwise, he'd done it in 2006. So why now in 2011? Because the missing link is filled by CSM.

There was nothing PAP and GY could do about the situation. There were already two cabinet ministers and one minister of state in their Aljunied team. What the hell else could they do? Send in two more ministers to make it full ministerial team? They'd not only become laughing stock but also risk losing five ministers at one go, that's even worse.

 

[scroobal]

At no time did LHL mention GY name during the hustings in terms of support. When the result was known he also did not mention GY. No one does that to a key and respected person of the establishment for such a long time.

I can tell you now that Zainal was supposed to step down and take on the Presidency. He was not slated for speaker despite what the PAP said in the open. There was also talk that GY was interested in pursuing personal interest for quite a while. Push and pull factors in play with no love lost.

When LHL apologize, he did that to save WKS and MBT asses not GY. Therefore poor GY had do make a last minute plead and vowed to be the voice of Aljunied as the WP had been campaigning on having opp voices. In my view this was like a penalty awarded in the 90th minute. However LHL did nothing to it. He could have supported GY and his team by declaring that the PAP whip will be lifted for the Alijunied Team if they get elected. This will definitely win back a lot of vote. But he kept quiet and therefore GY send the penalty wide and the rest is history.

 

[ivebert]

Lots of MM (mind masturbators) on this thread


Any cold hard facts????????????????????????


Disgusting sinkies!

 

[Forvendet]

At no time did LHL mention GY name during the hustings in terms of support. When the result was known he also did not mention GY. No one does that to a key and respected person of the establishment for such a long time.

He did say something about GY like key minister too important to lose, so did GCT. But it was a lost cause to pursue except in token support as like cheering for Singapore when the team is two goals down with two minutes left.

I can tell you now that Zainal was supposed to step down and take on the Presidency. He was not slated for speaker despite what the PAP said in the open. There was also talk that GY was interested in pursuing personal interest for quite a while. Push and pull factors in play with no love lost.

I can confidently tell you that neither Zainul nor George will be fielded for presidency. PAP don't field losers and make themselves all look like reserve jokers for people to laugh over when people are looking for comic relief. That's one thing. The more thing is, they'll become first rate laughing stock as losers if PAP can't disqualify all contestants.

 

[kukubird58]

At no time did LHL mention GY name during the hustings in terms of support. When the result was known he also did not mention GY. No one does that to a key and respected person of the establishment for such a long time.

I can tell you now that Zainal was supposed to step down and take on the Presidency. He was not slated for speaker despite what the PAP said in the open. There was also talk that GY was interested in pursuing personal interest for quite a while. Push and pull factors in play with no love lost.

hahaha....my little bird says you are full of BS.....
did you watch the news conference.....go read the MSM and use your intelligence to filter the rubbish.

 

[jw5]

At no time did LHL mention GY name during the hustings in terms of support. When the result was known he also did not mention GY. No one does that to a key and respected person of the establishment for such a long time.

Actually, LHL did say that "Mr George Yeo would be a loss to my cabinet" at the press conference the morning after.