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PAP deserves high salary say expert and bankers

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Experts weigh in on ministers' pay
It should reflect incomes of average folk, say HR experts and economists
By Cai Haoxiang & Amresh Gunasingham

HOW much political leaders deserve to be paid should depend partly on how much the man in the street earns.

This was the consensus of most economists and human resource experts The Straits Times spoke to.

Their reasoning: Political leaders are public servants whose role is to improve the lot of the average Joe.

DBS economist Irvin Seah suggested that 65 per cent of a minister's pay should be based on a predetermined multiple of the median individual income of Singaporeans, and the remainder kept on the current formula.

As of June last year, the median individual income was $2,500.

The higher weightage is necessary to emphasise that politics is a calling that requires sacrifice, said Mr Seah.

Agreeing, former MP Ho Geok Choo said this would 'incentivise office holders to cater to the needs of the average Singaporean, and would have the additional benefit of being perceived as equitable.'

None of those interviewed was prepared to suggest what the multiple of the median individual income should be.

Pegging ministerial pay to top private sector performers has been a political hot potato since it was introduced in 1994.

Over the years there have been many calls, including from opposition parties, to change or scrap the practice.

Currently, pay for ministers is set at two-thirds the median incomes of the top eight earners in each of six professions, including banking and law.

The most current figures released by the Public Service Division show that the annual salary of an entry-grade minister was $1.57 million in 2009. The Prime Minister's salary that year was $3.04 million.

On Saturday, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong announced a review of political salaries to be undertaken by a committee led by retired accountant Gerard Ee.

The committee will have two reference points: salaries of comparable jobs in the private sector, and general wage levels in Singapore.

Securities Investors Association of Singapore (Sias) president David Gerald, however, suggested that the peg to private sector pay should be scrapped altogether.

He argued that there will always be some public unhappiness with such a peg, whatever the discount level.

This is because politicians are unlike private sector professionals who 'take enormous risks and are rewarded accordingly', he said.

Citigroup economist Kit Wei Zheng noted that ministerial pay will be 'inherently biased upwards' if it is pegged only to top earners in the private sector.

Analysts The Straits Times spoke to believe that a related matter which bears reviewing is that of bonuses linked to the annual gross domestic product (GDP).

The bonus was introduced in 2000 and, in 2007, was revised to form 20 per cent of the annual pay of top officials.

This bonus is three months if the economy grows by 5 per cent and can go up to eight months if growth exceeds 10 per cent. It is zero if the economy grows by 2per cent or less.

But experts believe the bonus should be reviewed.

'Many factors beyond the control of ministers affect economic growth, and it is impractical to account for how the individual actions of each minister contribute to that growth,' Madam Ho said.

Citigroup's Mr Kit noted that the figures could be buffered by external factors such as labour imports and corporate profits that may not necessarily result in higher wages for the average Singaporean.

'There is no denying that GDP growth remains a relevant indicator of economic welfare, but it is a highly incomplete one at best,' he said.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist Chua Hak Bin suggested a refinement - pegging to annual GDP per capita rather than GDP growth per se.

Meanwhile, human resource experts suggested pegging ministerial pay to job scope, similar to what is done in private sector companies.

Said one human resource consultant by way of example: 'Should the environment minister be paid the same as the minister of defence or finance?'

Economists, however, cast doubt on the wisdom of paying according to which ministry a minister helms.

Said Mr Kit: 'The idea will not be easy to implement in practice, because defining the proper key performance indicators (KPIs) for each ministry will be difficult. A poorly-defined set of KPIs is bound to lead to poorly designed policies.'

Sociologist and former Nominated MP Paulin Tay Straughan said the review announced by PM Lee fits within his previously stated notion of politicians being 'servant leaders', which implies that pay can never compensate for the sacrifices a leader makes in serving the country.

She added that the review committee will have to balance this principle with the need for 'fair compensation', so that capable people are not penalised too much for stepping forward.

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cooleo

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How many minsters were fired for screwing up? - 0

How many employees in private sector are fired if they screw up? - Numerous
 

longbow

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Aiyah just peg to what other politicians are paid. Follow US or HK or Uk or avg or the 3.

Or these funny pegging to private sectors is just a ruse to justify what is still a very high salary after the adjustment.

Obama makes $400K so just peg to his pay. Go see how much US transport minister makes and peh Liu's salary to that. US Transport minister has huge poritfolio unlike Liu.
 

cooleo

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Aiyah just peg to what other politicians are paid. Follow US or HK or Uk or avg or the 3.

Or these funny pegging to private sectors is just a ruse to justify what is still a very high salary after the adjustment.

Obama makes $400K so just peg to his pay. Go see how much US transport minister makes and peh Liu's salary to that. US Transport minister has huge poritfolio unlike Liu.

Actually, they shouldn't peg themselves to American politicians who have more on their plates. Do u know how many times bigger America is? Maybe...compare against Malaysian politicians (without the kopi money) and divide by 5. hehe
 

Ash007

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They should allow Ah Tiongs, Ah Neh to be MPs so that there would be more competition in their salary. Stick more spurs on their hides to do betterest, cheaperest, fastest.....
 

Forvendet

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I disagree with pegging to any other country, or even a basket of countries, determining ministerial salary is not managing forex exchange rate. Ministerial salary in the this country should reflect what good has been done for this country. Now it's pegged to a factor the top income earners, which means it's to the ministers' incentives to keep helping the top income earners earn even more. It should be pegged to a multiplier of the median income, so that ministers work for the masses.
 

Confuseous

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I disagree with pegging to any other country, or even a basket of countries, determining ministerial salary is not managing forex exchange rate. Ministerial salary in the this country should reflect what good has been done for this country. Now it's pegged to a factor the top income earners, which means it's to the ministers' incentives to keep helping the top income earners earn even more. It should be pegged to a multiplier of the median income, so that ministers work for the masses.

Whatever the formula, the key thing is that people should get fired and not make self-serving comments like "he had wanted to resign 2 elections ago, and I asked him to say bs bs bs bs..........." The MIWs are either delusional, think we are really daft or THEY are daft. Worse, they continue to insult us.
 

Forvendet

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Whatever the formula, the key thing is that people should get fired and not make self-serving comments like "he had wanted to resign 2 elections ago, and I asked him to say bs bs bs bs..........." The MIWs are either delusional, think we are really daft or THEY are daft. Worse, they continue to insult us.

It's obvious that they're fired for the deficiency in their work and election results. All those remarks are for face-saving not to be taken seriously.
 

jw5

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These "experts" and "bankers" have just been told that their salaries will be pegged to the ministars' new salaries. :biggrin:
 

GoldenDragon

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I disagree with pegging to any other country, or even a basket of countries, determining ministerial salary is not managing forex exchange rate. Ministerial salary in the this country should reflect what good has been done for this country. Now it's pegged to a factor the top income earners, which means it's to the ministers' incentives to keep helping the top income earners earn even more. It should be pegged to a multiplier of the median income, so that ministers work for the masses.

For a change, instead of the practice of pegging to the high fliers. perhaps they should peg their salaries to the lowest income citizens. What about 80 times the average salaries of cleaners, security guards, retail assistants, coffee shop assistants etc ? That way, these ministers will have to collectively crack their heads and help the down and out.
 

Ash007

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indeed they should have done that in the first place.
For a change, instead of the practice of pegging to the high fliers. perhaps they should peg their salaries to the lowest income citizens. What about 80 times the average salaries of cleaners, security guards, retail assistants, coffee shop assistants etc ? That way, these ministers will have to collectively crack their heads and help the down and out.
 
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It should be pegged to a multiplier of the median income, so that ministers work for the masses.

How about pegging to average potential savings of people earning median income?
Known as Discretionary Income, ie Income minus Tax minus Basic Cost of Living.
 

batman1

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Stupid PAP.The PAP still didn't get it ? Still in the blur is it ? Why ask so-called experts and bankers ?
Why go ask the wrong persons ?
The correct persons to ask are the Singaporean Voters of Singapore !
 

Ash007

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The Singaporean Voters of Singapore, voted them back in. In fact, they voted them back in to be the ruling government with a majority. If you take it from that perspective, they actually want them to have the million dollar salary. The voters, at east 60% this time, actually wants business as usual for them.

Stupid PAP.The PAP still didn't get it ? Still in the blur is it ? Why ask so-called experts and bankers ?
Why go ask the wrong persons ?
The correct persons to ask are the Singaporean Voters of Singapore !
 

Papsmearer

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I disagree with pegging to any other country, or even a basket of countries, determining ministerial salary is not managing forex exchange rate. Ministerial salary in the this country should reflect what good has been done for this country. Now it's pegged to a factor the top income earners, which means it's to the ministers' incentives to keep helping the top income earners earn even more. It should be pegged to a multiplier of the median income, so that ministers work for the masses.

Yes, the multiplier should be 1.5 times.
 

streetsmart73

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hi there


1. top pay equates top kips too!
2. top pay equates full responsibilities, accountability and consequences.
3. top pay equates efficient leadership & not sheep that just blah to the same tune.
 
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