Nuclear energy for Singapore, screw solar energy.

[choonway]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore, but I have an alternative.

I propose we build it on giant container ships that also houses electrolysis as well as synthethic fuel plants. This will take oxygen/hydrogen from the water and nitrogen/carbon dioxide from the air to produce gasoline and other liquid hydrocarbon products that can easily be transported to singapore via another ship.

The ships will operate far out in the sea away from fishing/populated areas. In case of any accidents, the sea can dilute the radiotoxic waste. Modern buclear technology is getting cleaner and a far cry from chernobyl.

 

[cleareyes]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore, but I have an alternative.

I propose we build it on giant container ships that also houses electrolysis as well as synthethic fuel plants. This will take oxygen/hydrogen from the water and nitrogen/carbon dioxide from the air to produce gasoline and other liquid hydrocarbon products that can easily be transported to singapore via another ship.

The ships will operate far out in the sea away from fishing/populated areas. In case of any accidents, the sea can dilute the radiotoxic waste. Modern buclear technology is getting cleaner and a far cry from chernobyl.

I m sure out friends in the north will be making noise about this. Though i m sure your suggestion is indeed a good one, not very practical in the long run, but still a good one.

 

[choonway]

The malaysians have been running research reactors way before us. Not to mention that indonesia also had nuclear ambitions?

I have omitted alot of details in my last post to prevent the article from being too long. Why is my suggestion not practical? I don't get it.

 

[shOUTloud]

Good idea but better to do south off Indonesia.

 

[Ramseth]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore...

Why not?...

 

[Papsmearer]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore, but I have an alternative.

I propose we build it on giant container ships that also houses electrolysis as well as synthethic fuel plants. This will take oxygen/hydrogen from the water and nitrogen/carbon dioxide from the air to produce gasoline and other liquid hydrocarbon products that can easily be transported to singapore via another ship.

The ships will operate far out in the sea away from fishing/populated areas. In case of any accidents, the sea can dilute the radiotoxic waste. Modern buclear technology is getting cleaner and a far cry from chernobyl.

U retard, the ships will operate far out to sea? Than how do they transmit the power back to S'pore? Underwater power cables far out to sea, that can be cut/damaged, etc? Maybe they teleport the power?

 

[QXD]

Your lack of imagination makes even a retard look like Einstein.

U retard, the ships will operate far out to sea? Than how do they transmit the power back to S'pore? Underwater power cables far out to sea, that can be cut/damaged, etc? Maybe they teleport the power?

 

[choonway]

Why not?...

My opinion is that dirty stuff should be done as far away from our shores as possible. That being said, I'm also not happy with the industrial pollution in "certain parts" of singapore. Land above ground should be used for greenery. Land below ground should be used for commercial traffic and industrial purposes.

 

[choonway]

U retard, the ships will operate far out to sea? Than how do they transmit the power back to S'pore? Underwater power cables far out to sea, that can be cut/damaged, etc? Maybe they teleport the power?

It seems that you did not understand what I wrote. Ok I will simplify it further so that you can understand. After all I must at least make an attempt to "reach out" to more people.

Ships can operate that far out to sea. The major problem used to be bad weather, but with weather satellite technology and ever advanced weather prediction computers/software ships can now avoid bad weather easily.

Nuclear power used to generate synthetic fuels on board specialized offshore ships. The fuels are then transported back to singapore via oil tankers. The fuel will then drive existing power infrastructure (i.e. cars, power stations) without change.

 

[Papsmearer]

It seems that you did not understand what I wrote. Ok I will simplify it further so that you can understand. After all I must at least make an attempt to "reach out" to more people.

Ships can operate that far out to sea. The major problem used to be bad weather, but with weather satellite technology and ever advanced weather prediction computers/software ships can now avoid bad weather easily.

Nuclear power used to generate synthetic fuels on board specialized offshore ships. The fuels are then transported back to singapore via oil tankers. The fuel will then drive existing power infrastructure (i.e. cars, power stations) without change.

Ok, let me explain something to u. The only fuel that nuclear power can produce other than direct electricity is hydrogen. Any other synthetic fuel is at science fiction stage now. Unless s'pore converts over to hydrogen for vehicles or what not, this hydrogen is of limited use. U are much better off putting a couple of reactors on a barge and berthing it on a wharf and hook them up to the power grid. But that creates its own problems, doesn't it?

In your example of ships operating far out to sea. How would you dispense of the spend fuel? Bury it under the Istana? Which country would take your nuclear waste? We are in some of the most pirate invested waters in the world, and u want to sail a nuclear power plant around? U would need a small armada to defend it. And we haven't talked about the boat as a terrorist target, etc. But the maib problem is what the hell are u going to produce? Be specific about what synthetic fuels.

 

[Sperminator]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore, but I have an alternative.

I propose we build it on giant container ships that also houses electrolysis as well as synthethic fuel plants. This will take oxygen/hydrogen from the water and nitrogen/carbon dioxide from the air to produce gasoline and other liquid hydrocarbon products that can easily be transported to singapore via another ship.

The ships will operate far out in the sea away from fishing/populated areas. In case of any accidents, the sea can dilute the radiotoxic waste. Modern buclear technology is getting cleaner and a far cry from chernobyl.

Finally we have somebody who is bold enough, imaginative enough, and smart enough to voice out...

From what I understand about the world economy, building nuclear plants require money, lots of it, and I believe Singapore do have the abilities to build it, however, the risk concerns, and like what some forumers here says, what are you going to do with the radioactive wastes? (simple, sell it to some poor African Nations, which some African nations are accepting wastes from USA, and Europe etc... but require expensive refridgeration systems to keep the radioactive waste cool...)

Another concern from global nations, the UN, the EURO, etc, would be concern that when you have nuclear technology, would you use it to create nuke bombs... for SGP to have nuke abiliities does pose a big threat to the regional area, causing an arms race (unnecessarily), perhaps driving the DEFCON code a notch higher somewhere.

With the above understanding, I don't think the BIG NATIONS would allow Nuclear Power to be given to anyone, or even if you have it, they will not allow you to build it...

Ruling Nuclear Power Station out, due to two major concerns.

I really like the idea of Electrolysis Systems.

Here is a website for everyone's viewing and conclusion.

http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/stanleymeyer.htm

The above website is talking about Stanley Myer's invention ;

Basically it's a Pulse Electrolysis System that splits H2O into H2 & O2.

And of course if you produce H2 and O2 in large quantities, you should put it far away from residence...

I believe that such technology already exist today, but is not widely discussed, and all of us being brain washed to say that electrolysis is a 0 sum game.

(oh yes, by the way, Stanley Myer, when he was alive, he was offered Billions of USD to keep his mouth shut, and invention in the shelf, today, he is already dead, died of food poisoning... go figure out yourself)

So, this technology CANNOT be released publicly.

In Japan, there is one inventor who claims that his car runs only on WATER, it is posted. (Do find out yourself online via YouTube)

However, as soon as he announce that he have the technology, and he even demoed his car.... soon after, he put on a notice on his webpage that he have to close down his company due to non-funding.... FUCK.

(Go figure it out yourself)

The ideas are brilliant, however, it's ECONOMICS that is preventing this kind of technology from being released... once realeased, the balance of global power is destablized... (not to forget that USD is being kept afloat by CRUDE, and also many countries are rich due to CRUDE...) Imagine the repercussions, enemies being built... how many people will be after your life?

Another idea about WIRELESS TRANSMISSION of electricity from far distances, regardless of weather have already been thought of before, and researched by non other, Nickola Tesla... the Father of AC Power Transmission, and Father of FREE WIRELESS ELECTRICITY....

http://www.mind-course.com/wireless.html

These wonderful technology have been retarded by greed of mankind... I guess that we are not ready for such fantastic technology to exist with us yet, as now, people in power are still persuing wealth, money, money, money... but not persuing the greater good of the direction of man's progress...

Imagine that Stanley Myer's technology exist today, and with Nikola Tesla's technology...

Everyman would be FREE... no need to worry about FOOD, WATER, ACCOMODATIONS.... as everyone would have the POWER to have true choice...

We need more dreamers, it's the dreamers that made the world a difference...

We used to have dreamers in SGP, but these dreamers only envision dreams for themselves, but not for the people's greater good...

Keep up the good proposals, and need not be afraid of other's remarks, as you can only achieve something when you are fearless... (fearless to man, but fear GOD)

 

[GoFlyKiteNow]

Obviously we can't build a nuclear power station in Singapore, but I have an alternative.

I propose we build it on giant container ships that also houses electrolysis as well as synthethic fuel plants. This will take oxygen/hydrogen from the water and nitrogen/carbon dioxide from the air to produce gasoline and other liquid hydrocarbon products that can easily be transported to singapore via another ship.

The ships will operate far out in the sea away from fishing/populated areas. In case of any accidents, the sea can dilute the radiotoxic waste. Modern buclear technology is getting cleaner and a far cry from chernobyl.

And you think, the Intl laws of the sea will allow such a ship to operate in International waters or even within the territorial waters of Singapore ?..think again.

 

[choonway]

Ok, let me explain something to u. The only fuel that nuclear power can produce other than direct electricity is hydrogen. Any other synthetic fuel is at science fiction stage now. Unless s'pore converts over to hydrogen for vehicles or what not, this hydrogen is of limited use. U are much better off putting a couple of reactors on a barge and berthing it on a wharf and hook them up to the power grid. But that creates its own problems, doesn't it?

In your example of ships operating far out to sea. How would you dispense of the spend fuel? Bury it under the Istana? Which country would take your nuclear waste? We are in some of the most pirate invested waters in the world, and u want to sail a nuclear power plant around? U would need a small armada to defend it. And we haven't talked about the boat as a terrorist target, etc. But the maib problem is what the hell are u going to produce? Be specific about what synthetic fuels.

Synthetic fuel is not science fiction. See the Fischer-Tropsch (wikipedia-link) process. Even heavy fuels like diesel / jet fuel can be produced from this process. Synthetic fuels are cleaner than refined crude oil because they don't contain sulfur or other impurities. There's no need to change existing infrastructure to run hydrogen in the short term.

Spent fuel management for nuclear waste is quite advanced. See this article on nuclear fuel waste management (link). Did you know that coal / oil burning releases more radioactivity into the air per watt of energy generated than nuclear energy generation? How much conventional toxic waste are we producing by burning conventional oil?

We currently dump thousands of times more non-nuclear toxic waste into the environment than toxic nuclear waste. Does that make things any better?

A single container ship on a trip to nowhere can contain enough concentrated waste to last thousands of years for a single plant.

Pirates only attack civilian shipping at navigational choke points. They are at present opportunists and unable to launch 007 like operations. They do not yet have the capability for deep sea operations. A simple security escort and perimeter security will suffice.

A nuclear powerplant in the middle of nowhere would provide a less tempting target for terrorists than a conventional oil-fuelled powerplant on land.

 

[choonway]

Need to point out some errors in your post.

1. True, High Level Wastes do require cooling, but they don't require refrigeration. A simple cooling pond will do.

2. Low level nuclear waste can be disposed of normally. High level nuclear wastes can be either stored on floating barges, reprocessed or transmuted to other less toxic nuclear waste. However transmutation technology is not mature yet.

3. Did you know that Malaysia operates a nuclear reactor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors#Malaysia As long as there is IAEA safeguards, we're even cleaner than countries like Israel or Iran.

4. Pertaining to your electrolysis and water powered stuff, have you by any chance gone read (and hopefully understood) this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics#The_Four_Laws

5. Tesla's failure was due to his lack of ability turn his advanced inventions into a business. Edison, on the other hand, was able to turn simple inventions into big business.

Finally we have somebody who is bold enough, imaginative enough, and smart enough to voice out...

 

[choonway]

And you think, the Intl laws of the sea will allow such a ship to operate in International waters or even within the territorial waters of Singapore ?..think again.

1. When did that ever stop US nuclear submarines / carriers to park at changi naval base? http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250570

2. The only part I could dig up about nuclear in UNCLOS was http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part2.htm. It just says that nuclear ships have to be "careful". That's all.

 

[Ramseth]

My opinion is that dirty stuff should be done as far away from our shores as possible. That being said, I'm also not happy with the industrial pollution in "certain parts" of singapore. Land above ground should be used for greenery. Land below ground should be used for commercial traffic and industrial purposes.

It's OK to have a nuclear power station in Singapore as long as the radioactive wastes have somewhere to go (many countries would volunteer to receive cash for receiving trash). It's even OK to have nuclear weapons, e.g. nuclear missile submarine, as long as it's kept out at sea except for maintainence servicing. However, that's not going to happen as we know it. Having nuclear power makes the oil companies redundant in Singapore and having nuclear weapons makes NS and most of the colonels and generals redundant.

 

[Sperminator]

Need to point out some errors in your post.

1. True, High Level Wastes do require cooling, but they don't require refrigeration. A simple cooling pond will do.

2. Low level nuclear waste can be disposed of normally. High level nuclear wastes can be either stored on floating barges, reprocessed or transmuted to other less toxic nuclear waste. However transmutation technology is not mature yet.

3. Did you know that Malaysia operates a nuclear reactor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors#Malaysia As long as there is IAEA safeguards, we're even cleaner than countries like Israel or Iran.

4. Pertaining to your electrolysis and water powered stuff, have you by any chance gone read (and hopefully understood) this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics#The_Four_Laws

5. Tesla's failure was due to his lack of ability turn his advanced inventions into a business. Edison, on the other hand, was able to turn simple inventions into big business.

Sorry Choonway, I am just equally ignorant, hope that you can enlighten me further.

1. Okay, my fault, NUKE WASTE do not need a fridge or air con to cool down, just a cooling pond would do. Thanks for pointing out error.

2. Okay, sorry to tell you that I am no expert in nuclear waste handing, so I do not know what is high level waste and low level waste. And trasmutation technology is happening. got you.

3. Okay, sorry to say that I do not know that Malaysia have nuclear reactors, okay, you really know it well. thanks for pointing it out.

4. For Thermodynamics, I have returned to teacher long long time ago, so sorry, maybe you can be my teacher and teach me? Yes? By the way, it's not MY Electrolysis system, it's Stanley Myer's. So maybe I recommend you to consider going for some English School for some advanced understanding?

5. And finally for Tesla... Without Tesla, there would not be AC Power today... True Geniuses are NOT motivated by wealth nor power or status, they are just motivated by the good of what the technology can do for people. Whereas Edison, he is the father of DC Power... anyways, it all doesn't matter, I just want to point out that technology of the higher order already exist on this planet, and just have an open mind to learn what is going on, and you will discover that all of us is living in a myraid of matrix...

anyways Choonway, keep on pointing out my errors, feel free to do so...

and the more you do that, the more I'll recommend you to read "How to win friends and influence people, by dale caniegie" when I was 17 years old I read that... by the way, how old are you Choonway?

 

[choonway]

It's OK to have a nuclear power station in Singapore as long as the radioactive wastes have somewhere to go (many countries would volunteer to receive cash for receiving trash). It's even OK to have nuclear weapons, e.g. nuclear missile submarine, as long as it's kept out at sea except for maintainence servicing. However, that's not going to happen as we know it. Having nuclear power makes the oil companies redundant in Singapore and having nuclear weapons makes NS and most of the colonels and generals redundant.

I would advocate nuclear waste processing as far as possible without resorting to dumping. In any case, we dump thousands of times more toxic non-radioactive chemical wastes into the earth. http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28930 has an interesting article on waste transmutation.

Also, as the previous poster Papsmearer mentioned, there is the risk of terrorist attack if it is placed in Singapore. Putting it in the middle of the ocean provides even less incentive for terrorists to attack.

Nuclear weapons sort of detracts from this discussion. I was hoping for solar energy freaks to come debate with me. I will probably raise this issue in a seperate thread.

 

[choonway]

As for Stanely Meyer and thermodynamics, have you read the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression ? If you stand on the side of the free energy conspiracists, then I have nothing more to say.

As for the AC/DC war, a reference for the readers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents. George Westinghouse was the engineer who brought AC to the masses, not Tesla.

Mastery of a scientific discipline requires years of study. It is simple enough to memorise the laws of thermodynamics, or even simpler, newton's law of motion. But how many people are able to apply the knowledge to solve everyday problems?

I haven't yet gone into control theory yet, but i digress.

Hmm? As for my age? Why bring it up? Can't it be inferred from my writings?

Sorry Choonway, I am just equally ignorant, hope that you can enlighten me further.

1. Okay, my fault, NUKE WASTE do not need a fridge or air con to cool down, just a cooling pond would do. Thanks for pointing out error.

2. Okay, sorry to tell you that I am no expert in nuclear waste handing, so I do not know what is high level waste and low level waste. And trasmutation technology is happening. got you.

3. Okay, sorry to say that I do not know that Malaysia have nuclear reactors, okay, you really know it well. thanks for pointing it out.

4. For Thermodynamics, I have returned to teacher long long time ago, so sorry, maybe you can be my teacher and teach me? Yes? By the way, it's not MY Electrolysis system, it's Stanley Myer's. So maybe I recommend you to consider going for some English School for some advanced understanding?

5. And finally for Tesla... Without Tesla, there would not be AC Power today... True Geniuses are NOT motivated by wealth nor power or status, they are just motivated by the good of what the technology can do for people. Whereas Edison, he is the father of DC Power... anyways, it all doesn't matter, I just want to point out that technology of the higher order already exist on this planet, and just have an open mind to learn what is going on, and you will discover that all of us is living in a myraid of matrix...

anyways Choonway, keep on pointing out my errors, feel free to do so...

and the more you do that, the more I'll recommend you to read "How to win friends and influence people, by dale caniegie" when I was 17 years old I read that... by the way, how old are you Choonway?

 

[Sperminator]

As for Stanely Meyer and thermodynamics, have you read the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression ? If you stand on the side of the free energy conspiracists, then I have nothing more to say.

As for the AC/DC war, a reference for the readers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents. George Westinghouse was the engineer who brought AC to the masses, not Tesla.

Mastery of a scientific discipline requires years of study. It is simple enough to memorise the laws of thermodynamics, or even simpler, newton's law of motion. But how many people are able to apply the knowledge to solve everyday problems?

I haven't yet gone into control theory yet, but i digress.

Hmm? As for my age? Why bring it up? Can't it be inferred from my writings?

Dear Choonway,

Okay, I admit defeat. I think I am talking with a scientist.

Please do share with me your thinking of what kind of alternative energy do you think is most viable for Singapore?

Nuclear energy for Singapore?

What is your detailed proposal for the Goberment?

And why Screw Solar? What's your reasons on this?

Sounds like a General Paper question for you In words of no less than 1500 words. Looking forward to learn from the young scientist of Singapore...