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NMP Chia Yong Yong: CPF Is Not Your Money, You Cannot Call The Shots

winnipegjets

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i also earned a profit selling my flat and making a windfall from cpf proceeds in that sale. with that lump sum, i was able to put a substantial down payment on my new home in order to secure a solid mortgage loan. the mortgage on that home has fully been paid off. this is all possible, thanks to the pap! :biggrin:

Most sinkees don't have the kind of dough to buy a house even after getting a windfall from the sale of their pigeon hole.
 

virus

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you want or dont want only..... lee wee ling is available. just days to windfall. ai mai?
 

Confuseous

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Her 18-minute speech was broadcast in full, matched only by Zorro who was also given full time.
None of the other senior ministers, MPs had that luxury.
Because she "cleared" her speech with LHL first?
 

yahoo55

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Interesting article on CPF by Philip Ang on the same day that Chia Yong Yong made her speech.

For me, I don't trust PAP with my hard-earned CPF money, they kept shifting the goalposts and changing the rules to lockup more and more of my CPF money till my death. Could it be that PAP elites have some sinister motive for locking up citizens CPF money till their death? CPF is actually debt for the PAP govt to play the market and they may not be able to repay the whole sum, locking some up till death can delay some debt repayment perpetually.


https://likedatosocanmeh.wordpress....y-way-to-stop-cpf-scam-remove-pap-from-power/

20150304 Only way to stop CPF scam – remove PAP from power

March 4, 2015 by phillip ang


PAP’s opacity and constant tweaking to prevent CPF withdrawal have led to an increasing number of Singaporeans to suspect CPF is a scam.

A ‘scam’ is defined as ‘a dishonest scheme’ or ‘a fraud’. Meant for retirement, two thirds of CPF contribution have been channeled by PAP into housing. CPF has also been abused as ‘friendly’ housing loans to buyers of HDB flats ie HDB concessionary loans. Returns in excess of the CPF rate have been retained by GIC for decades, returns which rightly belong to members. CPF qualifies to be a scam.

The PAP had the opportunity to clarify but has provided meaningless assurances such as telling members our CPF is safe. Many of us feel helpless in the face of PAP’s power, power given by Singaporeans which PAP has abused. Although we have victimised ourselves, fortunately, the upcoming election allows us to do what is right.

What is needed is an understanding of how the CPF scam works to have the confidence to vote wisely.

So why is CPF a scam?

1 No CPF member would have invested ALL our retirement savings in foreign assets. With family and friends in Singapore, very few would want to migrate to unfamiliar surroundings at the end of our ‘productive years’. The reason why GIC has invested 100% of our CPF in foreign assets – PAP never had the intention of returning OUR CPF.

2 The Minimum Sum (MS) was set at $30,000 in 1987 but has since increased by 430% to $161,000 by July 2015. One year before the introduction of the MS, CPF OA and MA rates were 6.5% but have fallen to the legislated minimum (almost every year) since almost 3 decades ago. Low CPF interest rate is one of the causes of our retirement shortfall.

3 Through legislation, CPF is ‘invested’ in Special Singapore Government Securities (SSGS) before being transferred into GIC where the real investment occurs. Traces of its CPF origin have been erased and CPF now belongs to the government where the PAP is then able to use our CPF at its whim and pays us peanuts in returns as it pleases. Not a scam?

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4 What PAP has really been doing is use our CPF as a cheap source of funds to build an international business empire. If the PAP is able to constantly skim off a certain percentage from what’s rightly our returns, they will continue to use OUR money to supplement the budget eg profit 6% but pay only 2.5% to 4% to CPF members. Why should CPF members help PAP supplement the budget?

5 Since CPF returns provide a boost to budget surpluses, the PAP has used this to justify permanently retaining revenue from land sales instead of using a small portion on social spending. Revenue from land sales total about $200 billion for the last decade but PAP portrays the government as poor.

6 It does not make any sense for PAP to invest ALL our CPF in foreign assets and be subjected to unpredictable forex movements.

Forex movements could be unimaginably wild such as SGD/CNY. The value of a S$1 billion Chinese investment in 1985 (RMB 1.2 billion) would have fallen to S$200 million 10 years later due to a lower exchange rate. Held till today, forex losses would have amounted to 75%.

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As for the Indian rupee, it has been depreciating at about 300% every 10 years during the last 30 years.

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Knowing full well foreign investments carry extremely high exchange rate risks and investments will have to be liquidated and converted to local currency, what are PAP’s real motives for investing ALL our CPF overseas?

7 More than 90% of MPs do not know where our CPF is invested. Only a handful of PAP ministers are privy to information on our $275 billion managed by GIC. Does this make any sense?

8 The CPF retirement shortfall issue has been brewing for more than a decade, leading to CPF protests at Hong Lim Park last year. Since Yee Ping Yi became CEO of CPF Board in 2011, his voice has hardly been heard without the approval of PAP. Why does the CPF CEO not serve CPF members’ interest but PAP’s?

9 The CPF Advisory Panel has expectedly proposed a partial lump sum return of our CPF at 65. The inability to return billion$ of CPF to members at 55 suggests all is not well with our CPF. If the PAP continues to conceal CPF investment information from members, the underlying issues may one day blow up in our face and this can only mean severe losses.

10 Are CPF members really paid from investment gains made by GIC? Since CPF funds are commingled with real reserves (CPF is pseudo reserves), can PAP prove our reserves were not used to pay CPF interest?

11 PAP has sold public property to its own $2 company, Action Information Management, at a fraction of the cost to HDB residents. The MND found nothing amiss in the transaction.

Since PAP could do such a thing behind our back, how can we still trust the PAP with our CPF?

12 GIC needs a constant stream of income to pay CPF members but its ability to do so is not evident from its listed securities portfolio. Most GIC securities pay peanuts/zero dividend. It is likely GIC’s revenue is derived from the purchase/sale of shares ie speculation. GIC needs to disclose its source of revenue.

13 A post by Roy Ngerng revealed Lee Kuan Yew denied GIC’s use of CPF funds in 2001 and 2006. Lee Kuan Yew had been GIC chairman since its inception and he could not have been unaware of the origin of GIC’s funds ie reserves included CPF monies. Why does the PAP go to great lengths to de link CPF from GIC?

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14 The PAP claims it is unable to disclose the size of “Government funds” managed by GIC because this will:
– amount to publishing the full size of Singapore’s financial reserves
– make it easier for markets to mount speculative attacks on our currency during periods of vulnerability.

CPF members have been misled because:
– there was never any mandate for the PAP to use CPF to conceal the full size of our reserves
– CPF was not ‘invested’ anywhere but merely a loan to GIC at a fixed, low interest rate through the MAS which acts as an intermediary
– currency speculators would only mount speculative attacks on fundamentally weak currencies, not on the strong Singapore dollar.

15 GIC’s performance has been mediocre at best but it appears its directors have been handsomely rewarded. Can the PAP confirm none of GIC’s directors have been paid in total hundreds of million$ from our reserves? PAP should be transparent because it is dealing with citizens’ money, not PAP’s. GIC’s 6.5% annualised 20 year return (US$) is only mediocre, as can be confirmed by the following:

The S&P was 444 points on Apr 1 1994, hitting 1883 on 31 March 2014. Excluding dividend payment, the S&P index 20 year compounded return is 7.49%.

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16 More than $40 billion of our CPF is not invested because they are loaned to other HDB flat buyers in the form of HDB concessionary loans. ‘HDB concessionary loans’ should in fact be renamed ‘CPF members’ friendly loans’ as the funds do not belong to the HDB. When our CPF retirement funds are not invested but merely borrowed by fellow citizens to purchase their HDB flats (CPF interest rate is tied to low HDB concessionary loan rate of 2.6%), is this not a scam?

Conclusion

No responsible pension fund would invest 100% of citizens’ retirement savings in foreign assets which are subjected to unpredictable forex movements. OUR CPF is ultimately converted to local currency and returned to citizens.

But PAP has recently decided it will only return the full amount only after our last breath ie to CPF members’ nominees. Delayed CPF withdrawal, OA and MA Minimum Sum will be increased to about $205,000 this year, etc confirm PAP has no intention of returning our CPF.

Without relevant inflation data, PM Lee had already decided in August 2014 to increase the CPF Minimum Sum to $161,000 in July 2015. It appears PAP has already laid out its plans and knows how much CPF dollars it needs.

PAP has total control of $275 billion belonging to 3.59 million CPF members. Only a handful of PAP politicians are aware of how CPF is invested by GIC. More than 90% of MPs are as blur as you and I.

GIC has been retaining returns in excess of CPF interest rate. As such, CPF members have collectively lost tens of billion$ to GIC. Is this not a scam?

To clarify CPF is not a scam, PAP would need to be transparent and disclose information it has concealed. After more than 3 decades, such information would likely be embarrassing.

PAP’s efforts at obfuscation and constant tweaking to prevent CPF withdrawal comes at a huge political cost. That it has not made a ‘U-turn’ strongly suggests a mismanagement/abuse of our CPF.

With total control of parliament, PAP will continue to be opaque. It appears the only option left for voters to stop the CPF scam is to remove PAP from power.
 

tanakow

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God already punished her once. Obviously she needs more punishment.


I usually give the handicap some leeway ...but she is beyond any sympathy. She is an idiot.

The CPF is NOT a pooling of funds. It is private money. What you put in is yours. Now, we should be getting more in returns if not for the fact that the government skims of 85 percent of the returns in exchange for a useless guarantee.

How did she qualify to be an NMP is beyond me ...a total idiot sucking our money away, just like the PAP MPs and ministars.
 

xingguy

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Her 18-minute speech was broadcast in full, matched only by Zorro who was also given full time.
None of the other senior ministers, MPs had that luxury.
Because she "cleared" her speech with LHL first?

NMP supposed to be apolitical, think again.

Pinky says that she makes an excellent speech.

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mojito

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Obviously the PAP is the best and you can count on us to protect your money from you. Yes, and nowadays you need more money for retirement, and we'll look after that for you too so you don't have to worry we can't pay you back. I mean you don't have to worry about not having enough to spend.
 

tonychat

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PAP is a CPF robber.. They rob your CPF by denying you the money through increasing the minimum sum..

This is how PAP rob your CPF.
 

enterprise2

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The crux is if everyone is responsible and don't spend more than what is in their CPF, the gahment has no case to withhold our CPF withdrawals. The fact they r withholding it more and longer means they worry more members r 'defaulting'!
 

xingguy

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Obviously the PAP is the best and you can count on us to protect your money from you. Yes, and nowadays you need more money for retirement, and we'll look after that for you too so you don't have to worry we can't pay you back. I mean you don't have to worry about not having enough to spend.

That is also what they say about a 150 year old American Bank before the collapse.

Ever heard of Lehman Bros.

Excerpt from How our CPF Ponzi scheme will end in tears for CPF members

"Ponzi schemes ultimately collapse because of redemption (withdrawal)

Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme, the biggest financial fraud in US history, unraveled because of a $7 billion redemption. Without the redemption, Madoff would not have been caught. Redemptions are equivalent to withdrawals in CPF.

CPF faces a similar situation where the mother of all withdrawals (redemption) is at its doorstep. What makes it so different from the Madoff case is that the government is able to change the rules of the game at its whim by mandating more funds for GIC. The only way for for GIC to get caught with its pants down is to have all its books opened. With the PAP’s overwhelming presence in parliament, this is not likely to happen any time soon."
 

halsey02

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But the 60% animals do not read " Animal Farm"!, they are often told by "squealor"...that they do not upgrade, do not be productive, not watchful..."Jones" will come & steal their jobs...but, blind, deaf & dumb they are, "Jones" have already came, in the great multitudes of Foreign Talents. But, "Squealor" is still singing the same " upgrade your skills" songs....now they playing it to the babies of the 60%...:rolleyes:
 

Hans168

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singtel was farking good... much better then M1. only BMW is one class better.

I rode Benz more often......... visually outstanding afterall Benz is a notch higher than BMW which is full of downtime
MG not bad too
 

Lizzert

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I totally agree, Just like her legs are not really hers ..she cannot really use them..
stupid paraplegic fucktard
 

halsey02

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I totally agree, Just like her legs are not really hers ..she cannot really use them..
stupid paraplegic fucktard

We have allowed ourselves for one (no offence), crippled person to insult the intelligence of all the CPF Account Holders....why do we , keep having people time & time ago, orchestrated by the MIW's to insult our intelligence??

We worked hard, BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS, contributing to our retirement funds, say we start working at age 25 years, 30 years of toil, hard work...till we reach 55 years...now we have one, "ironside"...to tell us, that CPF is never OUR MONEY...!! what the......makes you feel mad & sad isn't?
 

mojito

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Those are brave words from NMP Chia. Took the words right out of Pinky's mouth had he the balls to say it before the elections. We need more PAP MPs like Chia who say it as it is rather than to hem and haw like lazy schoolchildren called to turn in their homework.
 
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