Sorry bro, there are days when I go mad.
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Katong Bomb - 1974 - Know You History
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they also killed a british high commissioner, a principal of the most prominent high school in KL and disfigured the principal of nanyang primary school.
Bro, when you stareted this, I thought you were going to tell us about the sparrow squad. Anyway confessions are for adulterers spouses and for crime novel writers. Confessions are worthless and the paper that it is written on is of no value. That is why every court system has a trial within a trial when confessions are disputed and judges routinely throw it out. Good investigators never bother about confessions. They want your life history and what you did.
One of old man's brother is also a doctor and he operated along Balestier Rd. Poh Soo Kai and Lim Hock Siew are both medical doctors and they opened Rakyat Clinic in Balestier Road. Old man took them out to allow his brother to flourish. I also heard that Teo Soh Lung and Ho Ching look like it each other and to avoid his son's straying eyes took Teo Soh Lung out.
Bro, there were many. The ones that are constantly mentioned are those English speaking ones and they are Communist Front lot and not the actual communist. Actual communists that were detained were many more and not put together with the political detainees. They suffered alot and they came from chinese schools and Nanyang Uni.
Bottomline of story is: those were dangerous times; you eat or be eaten.
Legacy: we dont trust those imprisoned who claimed they were innocent; we also dont trust the man who put them in.
You also will never ever know whether innocent people could be imprisoned for spurious reasons in future.
Legacy: we dont trust those imprisoned who claimed they were innocent; we also dont trust the man who put them in.
You also will never ever know whether innocent people could be imprisoned for spurious reasons in future.
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Well said. Covered all the bases.
Now see this from the other side.
Take Dr Poh Soo Kai for example. He was born with a silver spoon, a member of OCBC's Lee Kong Chian clan, did not have to work a day and could have lived a life of luxury. His first loves was English literature and poetry. When he began his medical studies at University of Singapore, he leaned towards the common man felt strongly about looking after the downtrodden and the exploited. He became a member of the Univeristy Socialist Club and became editor of Fajar. The British arrested the lot and charged them in court for sedition. A young Singapore Lawyer from Cambridge arranged for their defence and they were acquitted. Poh Soo Kai was in someone's basement in Oxley putting together flyer for the Owner's electoral debut.
These are men of conviction, resolve and not out to make money. They wanted to save those who could not help themselves. They preferred a classless society. The was only one issue. The means to the end was not limited.
Take Dr Poh Soo Kai for example. He was born with a silver spoon, a member of OCBC's Lee Kong Chian clan, did not have to work a day and could have lived a life of luxury. His first loves was English literature and poetry. When he began his medical studies at University of Singapore, he leaned towards the common man felt strongly about looking after the downtrodden and the exploited. He became a member of the Univeristy Socialist Club and became editor of Fajar. The British arrested the lot and charged them in court for sedition. A young Singapore Lawyer from Cambridge arranged for their defence and they were acquitted. Poh Soo Kai was in someone's basement in Oxley putting together flyer for the Owner's electoral debut.
These are men of conviction, resolve and not out to make money. They wanted to save those who could not help themselves. They preferred a classless society. The was only one issue. The means to the end was not limited.
Thanks for the enriching discussion. I do agree with the statement below; as an armchair historian, I also feel there's more good in accepting our history as it is, with warts, pimples and all, rather than trying to turn historiography into a battle between demons and angels.
I had a teacher who grew up during those times. He used to say, "If you were young and not a Communist, you didn't have a heart. If you are old and still a Communist, you don't have a brain."
I had a teacher who grew up during those times. He used to say, "If you were young and not a Communist, you didn't have a heart. If you are old and still a Communist, you don't have a brain."
seems like its either u arrest or u get bombed. very extreme indeed...
indeed. smoke and mirrors all this pap and communist history versions. obviously the pap was paranoid and over-reacted sometimes in those times when revolution was still a cool idea all over the world. obviously those arrested now want to pretend they are totally categorically innocent to sell books and get political street cred. for the future, history tends to repeat itself. same shit, different style.
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Here is piece of history that many have placed the leading protagonists on the wrong side.
The Hock Lee Bus Riots and some pictures of the event have been etched in the minds over the decades from school books to newspaper article and review repeats. The impression created was that the PAP was on one side fighting the communist who were behind the riots on the other side.
Guess what? - The incidents were started by key people in the PAP, some of whom were elected members of the legislative assembly. The Govt was led by David Marshal. The PAP was in opposition. The 2 key people directly involved were Fong Swee Suan and Devan Nair who were founding members of the PAP. Just before the riots began, the old man went to the hill near Tanglin and watched Alexander Road erupt. When it did erupt, he took leave and headed for a Fraser's hill for his holiday and golf that very night.
Ask anyone from a doctor to a clerk and they will tell that PAP was in Govt and fighting the communist at that time. Only those who are familiar with history or those lived during those times will tell you otherwise.
The Hock Lee Bus Riots and some pictures of the event have been etched in the minds over the decades from school books to newspaper article and review repeats. The impression created was that the PAP was on one side fighting the communist who were behind the riots on the other side.
Guess what? - The incidents were started by key people in the PAP, some of whom were elected members of the legislative assembly. The Govt was led by David Marshal. The PAP was in opposition. The 2 key people directly involved were Fong Swee Suan and Devan Nair who were founding members of the PAP. Just before the riots began, the old man went to the hill near Tanglin and watched Alexander Road erupt. When it did erupt, he took leave and headed for a Fraser's hill for his holiday and golf that very night.
Ask anyone from a doctor to a clerk and they will tell that PAP was in Govt and fighting the communist at that time. Only those who are familiar with history or those lived during those times will tell you otherwise.
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they are muddled if they credit PAP to this..
this was in 1955...PAP only won election in 1959.
back then it is still David Marshall...
i heard LKY abolished the jury system becos of this guy...is it true?
Right! My 88 yr old Mum lived thru those tumultous times. She used to work in the rubber factories which processed the latex from the rubber trees. FSS, LCS clique were really stirring up the unions and LKY would be the lawyer defending them. Of cos, he didnt just defend them - he advised them which legal loopholes to exploit so that thye would escape thru the cracks in the law. That's why he was legal adviser.
When his turn came to be the govt, he already knew the tricks of these guys, that's when he began to see monsters under his bed when he went to sleep. Over the years, he saw them everywhere he looked.
The end game is that history belongs to the victors. Sad but true.
Dr Poh, Raman, Soh Lung and those from USC etc were all idealists as it was then fashionable to be, but to me they were harmless - as harmless as English-educated revolutionaries can be (LKY always had believed so). Unwittingly, they were caught up as pawns in a dangerous struggle for supremacy between the British proxies and the real Communists who were faceless and would resort to violent means to overthrow estab govts.
Still, the PAP govt in the case of the Marxist conspiracy overplayed their hand. Seen against a backdrop of collapsed Communism in Russia and China, and the decimated MCP since 1957, the prolonged and undemocratic detention was unjustified without a trial. All that the "conspirators" deserved was a rap on their knuckles to wake up their idea not to be used as proxies by the Vietnamese (which was on the ascendacy) or the Chinese which was declining.
When his turn came to be the govt, he already knew the tricks of these guys, that's when he began to see monsters under his bed when he went to sleep. Over the years, he saw them everywhere he looked.
The end game is that history belongs to the victors. Sad but true.
Dr Poh, Raman, Soh Lung and those from USC etc were all idealists as it was then fashionable to be, but to me they were harmless - as harmless as English-educated revolutionaries can be (LKY always had believed so). Unwittingly, they were caught up as pawns in a dangerous struggle for supremacy between the British proxies and the real Communists who were faceless and would resort to violent means to overthrow estab govts.
Still, the PAP govt in the case of the Marxist conspiracy overplayed their hand. Seen against a backdrop of collapsed Communism in Russia and China, and the decimated MCP since 1957, the prolonged and undemocratic detention was unjustified without a trial. All that the "conspirators" deserved was a rap on their knuckles to wake up their idea not to be used as proxies by the Vietnamese (which was on the ascendacy) or the Chinese which was declining.
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Couple of points.
That is the reason why GKS was asking them to come back and gave good jobs to their kids. GKS knew that PAP used the communists and got into power. It also explains why 2 PAP candidates are the children of detainees. Family reunion!
The abuse however is apparent when you look at length of detention.
That is the reason why GKS was asking them to come back and gave good jobs to their kids. GKS knew that PAP used the communists and got into power. It also explains why 2 PAP candidates are the children of detainees. Family reunion!
The abuse however is apparent when you look at length of detention.
You will surprised. A lot of people think that the PAP was fighting the rioters during the Hock Lee Bus Riots when they were the ones behind it. Check the Hansard and you can see the old man getting crucified in the legislative assembly for the PAP involvement.
The jury was removed not because of Marshal but I believe because of the old man himself. He defended one of those who killed a white man during the Maria Hertogh riots and managed to get him acquitted via the gullible jury.
The jury was removed not because of Marshal but I believe because of the old man himself. He defended one of those who killed a white man during the Maria Hertogh riots and managed to get him acquitted via the gullible jury.
That's an interesting case you brought up. I don't remember the textbooks expressly pitting the PAP government against the Hock Lee bus rioters; then again, my recollection of secondary school history is fuzzy at best. I do think it's the creation of impressions, like you said. Most people don't have a good sense of history - it's probably a worldwide phenomenon - and won't be bothered to do any digging. The facts can be out there, but there are also ways of tacitly obscuring them, as opposed to constantly and repeatedly drumming them in like a broken recorder.
Self-styled bullshitters and their gullible followers here will have you believe that those detained in Operation Spectrum were 'Marxists' (or their proxies) and not politically motivated. Frog-in-the-well naïvete and 52 years of indoctrination by the prostitute press are the greatest danger to Singapore's future, not Marxism.
Well, Michael D. Barr has done some fine work on this:
Marxists in Singapore?
Abstract
Singapore's ruling elite runs a finely calibrated system of social and political control based on a mixture of monitoring and repression by the state, and self-monitoring and self-restraint by all elements of civil society. This system matured under Goh Chok Tong's premiership in the 1990s but its template was created by Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew in the final years of his premiership with his handling of a fresh upsurge of social justice activism and dissent that was becoming increasingly brave. In response to these challenges he created a fanciful narrative about a “Marxist conspiracy” to overthrow the state and centered the main force of his allegations on a group of activists who were associated with the local Catholic Church. He accused them of being Marxists who had been subverted by the teachings of liberation theology and used the Internal Security Act to detain them and destroy their rather modest and innocent operations; their treatment provided both an exemplar to other groups and a model for the next generation of the ruling elite to follow. This article uses archival, oral, and secondary sources to build an account of these events with a particular focus on the motivations and activities of this group of Catholics and the motivations of the government—which essentially means the motivations of Lee Kuan Yew.
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