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India's New French Rafale Jets are no Match for the Chinese J-20 (Garbage Jet)

capamerica

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...e-questions/story-Al6kSI8wjj0SvypDHeIrXI.html

Rafale vs J-20: Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa calls China’s bluff with ‘two simple questions’
Chinese Communist Party’s tabloid Global Times quoted a military ‘expert’ who claimed the Rafale fighter is only superior to the IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI jets but a generation below Chinese PLA’s J-20 fighter.
INDIA Updated: Jul 31, 2020 17:26 IST

Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has always highlighted how Rafale fighter jets (R) are better stealth fighters and are not superior to China’s J-20 jets (L). Rafale is 4.5 generation jet.
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has always highlighted how Rafale fighter jets (R) are better stealth fighters and are not superior to China’s J-20 jets (L). Rafale is 4.5 generation jet. (HT Photos)

Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa on Friday dismissed claims that the Rafale fighter jets inducted by the Indian Air Force this week had no chance against China’s J-20 stealth fighter.
The claims, made by an ‘expert’ in Chinese Communist Party’s tabloid Global Times, said that the Rafale was only superior to the IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI jets but a generation below Chinese PLA’s J-20 fighter.
“It is only about one-fourth of a generation more advanced and does not yield a significant qualitative change,” Zhang Xuefeng, who was described by the communist party’s propaganda website as a Chinese military expert, said.

Also Read: Indian Air Force with Rafale has plan to take the fight to China

The website, quoting unnamed experts claimed, that “Rafale is only a third-plus generation fighter jet, and does not stand much of a chance against a stealth, fourth generation one like the J-20”.
Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa, who has described the 4.5 generation Rafale fighter jets as a “game changer for the IAF, responded to the Chinese claim with “two simple questions”.
Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa had pushed for the purchase of the Rafale 4.5 generation fighter jets

Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa had pushed for the purchase of the Rafale 4.5 generation fighter jets ( Twitter/@IAF_MCC )
“If the J-20, also called the Mighty Dragon, is indeed a fifth generation stealth fighter, then why does it have canards while genuine 5th generation fighters such as the US’ F 22, F 35 and Russian fifth generation Su 57 don’t,” Dhanoa asked.
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Canards are fuselage-mounted small, forward wings located forward of the main wing to improve aircraft control and contribute to lift. They are considered to present large angular surfaces that tend to reflect radar signals.

“I don’t think J-20 is stealthy enough to be called a fifth generation fighter as the canard increases the radar signature of the fighter and gives away its position to a long-range meteor missile that the Rafale has,” he said.

The other question the former IAF chief has for the Chinese is: “Why can’t the J-20 supercruise if it is really a 5th generation fighter as its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation calls it.”

Supercruise is the ability of a fighter jet to fly at speeds above Mach 1 - the speed of sound - without the use of afterburners, the additional combustion component used on some jet engines to increase thrust.

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“The Rafale has the supercruiseaility and its radar signature is comparable to the best of the fighters in the world,” Dhanoa told Hindustan Times.

Dhanoa has flown top of the line Indian fighter aircraft including Sukhoi 30 MKI. He was the man responsible for targeting the Pakistani intruders on Drass, Kargil, Battalik heights and spearheaded the Balakot air strikes along with National Security Adviser Ajit Doval.

The retired top air force officer had earlier this week shredded the Chinese propaganda of superior air capability, wondering that if the Chinese equipment was so good, Pakistan would have used its Chinese JF-17 and not the F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on 27 February 2019. But Pakistan used the Chinese JF-17 to merely give air defence cover to its Mirage 3/5 bombers. Or why China’s “iron brother” uses Swedish early air warning platforms up north and the keep Chinese AWACS in the south.

Incidentally, India is expected to get 12 more Sukhoi 30 MKI and 21 MiG 29s next year from Russia. According to diplomats based in Moscow, the Su-30 MKI will “look better, shoot better, and fight better”. The MiG 29 will be used for setting up a new squadron in Jamnagar in Gujarat and will have the same capability as the MiG 29 that India currently has.
 

blackmondy

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Read an article somewhere Tiong army have no money for ammo during military exercises.
The army generals earn their fat extra income from colluding with businessmen that collect used ammo shells (melted for other purposes).
 

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Why do people even bother to respond to the madman Hu Xijin? :roflmao:

If the PRC were like Nazi Germany, Hu Xijin would be someone like Goebbels.

Spoiler alert: Mr Hu will not have a very happy ending, or a long life ahead of him. :cool:

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mojito

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Why do people even bother to respond to the madman Hu Xijin? :roflmao:

If the PRC were like Nazi Germany, Hu Xijin would be someone like Goebbels.

Spoiler alert: Mr Hu will not have a very happy ending, or a long life ahead of him. :cool:

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Why are chinks all so ugly? :confused:
 

A Singaporean

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War is good for the total collapse of the Sinkieland economy. I am looking forward to this. 61 % will be totally fucked.
 

leeisphtui

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Why do people even bother to respond to the madman Hu Xijin? :roflmao:

If the PRC were like Nazi Germany, Hu Xijin would be someone like Goebbels.

Spoiler alert: Mr Hu will not have a very happy ending, or a long life ahead of him. :cool:

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The Global Times is an amusing read. Reminds me of the Baghdad Bob of Iraq, who denied, twisted everything up to the last min during the Iraq War. Sad.

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capamerica

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China plane J-20 radar signature have canard to reduce stealth of plane. Can be seen on radar. Garbage plane

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Incidentally, India is expected to get 12 more Sukhoi 30 MKI and 21 MiG 29s next year from Russia. According to diplomats based in Moscow, the Su-30 MKI will “look better, shoot better, and fight better”. The MiG 29 will be used for setting up a new squadron in Jamnagar in Gujarat and will have the same capability as the MiG 29 that India currently has.

Why did india buy mig 29 and not the improved version mig 35?
 

capamerica

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Why did india buy mig 29 and not the improved version mig 35?
According to Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-35

Russia unveiled the MiG-35 at the 2007 Aero India air show in Bangalore,[11] amid Moscow's keenness to sell these planes to India. The MiG-35 was a contender with the Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, and General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon in the Indian MRCA competition for 126 multirole combat aircraft to be procured by the Indian Air Force. Deficiencies with the MiG-35's radar and its RD-33MK engines led to the fighter being ousted from the contest in April 2011.[12][13][14]
 

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Send these flying coffin into battle with F35. We will know who is better.
I don't know a single tiongster who will buy a tiong car. Those with enough money invariably buy German, those without usually buy Toyota or one of the Japanese brands. If that's what their own people think about cars, what more a high-tech, high-stress load plane? :confused:
 

syed putra

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According to Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-35

Russia unveiled the MiG-35 at the 2007 Aero India air show in Bangalore,[11] amid Moscow's keenness to sell these planes to India. The MiG-35 was a contender with the Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Saab JAS 39 Gripen, and General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon in the Indian MRCA competition for 126 multirole combat aircraft to be procured by the Indian Air Force. Deficiencies with the MiG-35's radar and its RD-33MK engines led to the fighter being ousted from the contest in April 2011.[12][13][14]
That was in 2011. They would have rectified those by now.
 

capamerica

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That was in 2011. They would have rectified those by now.
India chose Rafale over Mig 35.

https://defenceupdate.in/iaf-rejected-mig-35-fulcrum-f-mmrca/

Why IAF rejected MiG 35 Fulcrum


Furthermore, these are the following points which have prohibited IAF from acquiring it.

  1. The aircraft is still in developmental stage. The time period for production of the aircraft is being cited is unusually long. Also, this will happen once it is combat ready, which will be in 2018.
  2. Despite claims and added features, it is not suitable for long-range missions and its payload is lesser compared to other aircraft.
  3. It is an upgrade of the Mig 29, so most of the features and operational data would have already been tracked down by the enemy.
  4. It was high time IAF diversified its fleet. Most of our aircraft are Russian made.
  5. Compared to a Mig 29 which is priced around $20 million, the Mig 35 is currently priced at $40 million, which may change depending upon its final review in 2018.
  6. IAF has already met its requirements in the Rafale and the LCA.
 

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Actually waiting
War is good for the total collapse of the Sinkieland economy. I am looking forward to this. 61 % will be totally fucked.
Actually war is a better option for the economy of Singapore. Especially if combined forces against China. Singapore can just stay on the sideline as a supplier of commodity to the invasion effort. The first Iraq invasion created quite a number of multi millionaire through supplies of resources and it also bred quite a few generations of fat cats.
 

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Actually waiting

Actually war is a better option for the economy of Singapore. Especially if combined forces against China. Singapore can just stay on the sideline as a supplier of commodity to the invasion effort. The first Iraq invasion created quite a number of multi millionaire through supplies of resources and it also bred quite a few generations of fat cats.
i think all the neighbouring countries planning to do the same. Especially philippines.
 

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Why did india buy mig 29 and not the improved version mig 35?

The IAF runs a hi-lo mix of aircraft like the USAF. The USAF has F-16 and F-15 for their hi lo mix, the Indians have Mig-29 and SU 30 for theirs. The M9g 35 is not a suitable aircraft for them because of this. That plane is still in the design stage and prototype. They will not buy anything that is not widely adopted. In any case, the IAF already operate Mig 29 and build the engines under license, so it makes sense for them to buy more of it.
 
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