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'My policies save more lives than it takes away': Shanmugam on capital punishment for drug traffickers​

'My policies save more lives than it takes away': Shanmugam on capital punishment for drug traffickers
PUBLISHED ONSeptember 21, 2023 5:31 PMByClaudia Tan
When it comes to developing policies on drugs and the death penalty, Minister for Law and Home Affairs K Shanmugam feels that a "soft heart" and a "hard head" are needed.
This means having compassion, but also a hard head to "analyse and understand facts", he explained.
"And then the question is, how do you marry the two?"
Shanmugam was speaking to and fielding questions from 80 youth leaders at the Asian Civilisations Museum on Wednesday (Sept 20) evening during a dialogue on drugs and the death penalty.
Kicking off the session, Shanmugam spoke about Singapore's approach towards drugs and the death penalty, saying that the latter is not something that any government can start off wanting but rather, the Government must be sure that this is essential to saving more lives.
If it cannot be sure the death penalty is essential to saving more lives, then the Government should not have the death penalty, he added.
This two-hour session was organised by the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) and National Youth Council (NYC).

Moral implications of death penalty​

One participant asked the minister about the moral and ethical implications of capital punishment, especially when it involves the "deliberate and irreversible decision of taking a human life by the state".
"That's what my entire speech is about," said the minister, adding that the question was similar to the narratives of anti-death penalty activists.
"I can argue or I can put forward discussion points based on evidence, which I have," he replied.
"But if you start from the position that it's just wrong for a state to have the death penalty regardless of the facts, that means even if I show you that 10,000 lives have been saved, while 16 have been hanged, and if you say 'Well, that's irrelevant, the state just shouldn't execute', I respect that position."
Since resuming executions in March 2022, Singapore has executed 16 individuals for drug trafficking offences.
"I'm not saying that it's wrong, but it's a position based on ideology. It's based on values."
He then countered that he comes from "slightly different values", which is the state's obligation to ensure safety and security within Singapore, and to save lives.
"And my policies save more lives than it takes away, and a lot more lives which actually would be lost," he said.
"But once we discuss it along the lines of ideology, then we just have to agree to disagree."

Singapore's approach to drugs​

In dealing with the issue of drugs in Singapore, Shanmugam shared that the government takes a three-pronged approach: preventive drug education; tough laws and vigorous enforcement and evidence-based rehabilitation and aftercare.
The death penalty, he explained, is one aspect of a series of measures and laws dealing with drug abuse.
However, it only applies to drug traffickers who bring in a significant amount of drugs.
For instance, traffickers who are caught with more than 15 grams of heroin could face the death penalty. This amount can be converted to 1,250 straws, which is enough to feed the addiction of about 180 abusers for a week.
The Home Affairs Minister also presented statistical evidence of the effectiveness of capital punishment.
The numbers showed that within four years of the death penalty being introduced for trafficking more than 1.2 kilograms of opium in 1990, the average net weight of opium trafficked was reduced by 66 per cent.
In another study conducted by MHA in 2021, 87 per cent of regional participants believed that the death penalty makes people not want to traffic a substantial amount of drugs into Singapore.
83 per cent of these participants also believed that the death penalty is more effective than life imprisonment when it comes to discouraging people from trafficking drugs into Singapore.
One participant also asked why the President rarely granted clemency, where Shanmugam replied that those on death row had gone through the entire legal process. And have been been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
“On what basis does the cabinet then recommend clemency? Basically, then you will be subverting the judgment of the court and the law... So it’s very very exceptional circumstances something has happened after the penalty was imposed,” he said.

'Who cries for these children?'​

Presenting some facts and research findings on the global impact of drugs, Shanmugam referenced a report from NBC which stated that in 2013 alone, more than 27,000 babies were born addicted to opioids like heroin or prescription painkillers in the US.
Driving his point home, Shanmugam presented a picture of a drug abuser's home in Singapore, where drug enforcement officers found the abuser's nine-month old baby in close proximity of drug paraphernalia.
"You talk about compassion. Multiply this a thousand-fold is what you would get if you're going soft on drugs, because this is the norm seen in many countries.
"Lots of people, the activists cry for death row traffickers, but who cries for these children?" he asked.
 

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His policy?
Why no death sentence for alcohol peddlers?
how come myanmar drug lord money are kept in sinkie? And capitaland do business with same drug lord in myanmar.
One law for the filthy rich. And another for the less opulent.
 

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The ones who get executed are the drug mules from 3rd World countries and petty drug pedlars.

The drug lords in Myanmar (and the junta generals behind them) get off scot-free and get to launder their dirty money in Singapore.

That's why even with the most draconian drug policy in the world, the drug trade is flourishing here, and expanding. Drug addiction and drug-related crime are on the rise.
 
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The ones who get executed are the drug mules from 3rd World countries and petty drug pedlars.

The drug lords in Myanmar (and the junta generals behind them) get off scot-free and get to launder their dirty money in Singapore.

That's why even with the strictest drug policy in the world, the drug trade is flourishing here, and expanding. Drug addiction and drug-related crime are on the rise.
These drug guy ornganise rave parties right under Sham's nose. The peddlars comes in their Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Their clients too. Children of wealthy parents.
 

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These drug guy ornganise rave parties right under Sham's nose. The peddlars comes in their Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Their clients too. Children of wealthy parents.
That's why this slimy Shan snake is bullshitting big time when he says taking 1 life saves 10,000 lives. Really? The life of one poor drug mule?

You got it wrong, Minister. You kill one drug mule, 10,000 other drug mules will take his place.

The day we execute one drug lord we'll start seeing some real success in eradicating drugs here.
 

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God creates PAP terminates PAP greater than God?
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
 

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These drug guy ornganise rave parties right under Sham's nose. The peddlars comes in their Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Their clients too. Children of wealthy parents.
I agree with black snake on this. The issue is we should not abolish the death penalty....the issue is the law needs to be implemented without discrimination....hence these rich druggies need to be hanged too.....
 

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The ones who get executed are the drug mules from 3rd World countries and petty drug pedlars.

The drug lords in Myanmar (and the junta generals behind them) get off scot-free and get to launder their dirty money in Singapore.

That's why even with the most draconian drug policy in the world, the drug trade is flourishing here, and expanding. Drug addiction and drug-related crime are on the rise.
This is call wealth distribution. Drug mules are poor and needy what's wrong with giving them a good high paying job? If u take a way the deaf penalty, there will just be more lowly paid drug mule and every one will just have to do more trips. :unsure:
 

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This is call wealth distribution. Drug mules are poor and needy what's wrong with giving them a good high paying job? If u take a way the deaf penalty, there will just be more lowly paid drug mule and every one will just have to do more trips. :unsure:
So why target the drug mules? You kill one drug mule, 1,000 other boys will take his place. It's ineffectual. You believe that snake that by killing one drug mule you save 10,000 lives?

You want to execute, execute the drug lords. They have big houses here, throw rave parties, drive Ferraris, and their tai tais go to Mt Elizabeth for their annual check-ups.
 

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So why target the drug mules? You kill one drug mule, 1,000 other boys will take his place. It's ineffectual. You believe that snake that by killing one drug mule you save 10,000 lives?

You want to execute, execute the drug lords. They have big houses here, throw rave parties, drive Ferraris, and their tai tais go to Mt Elizabeth for their annual check-ups.
We hang the drug mules so others can have the risky high paying job. This is call creating good jobs. :whistling:
 

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Only three crimes need the death penalty, anything else is gratuitous.

1) Murder
2) Treason
3) Terrorism

And no, 'drug trafficking' is not murder, no matter what kind of strawman arguments or mental gymnastics you deploy.

The more erudite Sinkies should also easily recognize how problematic it is to have a Minister/Ministry of Law. Hint: if you understand what's wrong with the NTUC, you should know this. :wink:
 

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Only three crimes need the death penalty, anything else is gratuitous.

1) Murder
2) Treason
3) Terrorism

And no, 'drug trafficking' is not murder, no matter what kind of strawman arguments or mental gymnastics you deploy.

The more erudite Sinkies should also easily recognize how problematic it is to have a Minister/Ministry of Law. Hint: if you understand what's wrong with the NTUC, you should know this. :wink:
COVID shots leh ?
 

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The ones who get executed are the drug mules from 3rd World countries and petty drug pedlars.

The drug lords in Myanmar (and the junta generals behind them) get off scot-free and get to launder their dirty money in Singapore.

That's why even with the most draconian drug policy in the world, the drug trade is flourishing here, and expanding. Drug addiction and drug-related crime are on the rise.
Chinese has a saying...杀头买卖有人做, 亏本生意没人做

So it depend how u want to optimise the end result.…the best way to eliminate these drug trade, just make it a business that loss big big money
 
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